Why the Black Star Dragon Ball hunt didn't work?

[dbzfan7]

I've never watched the BSDB Saga in a Reaaaaally long time. I remember it being described as bad...but wow so far that's an understatement. I did like the idea of doing Dragon Ball hunting in the universe as there is an unlimited amount of potential. However I'm reminded of a Gaffer Tape statement of Goku's RRA quest and how the Muscle Tower arc was done just before it would be too easy for Goku. I'm only at episode 4 of the GT rewatch...and I really don't see why everyone is so stupid. This scenario is not a challenge to Goku, Trunks, and Pan. Why did they just sit back and let those robots take those families stuff? I could never imagine DB Goku doing that in a million years. He'd have immediately jumped into action. Why did they all have to focus on Giru? Literally one person could catch him in a second, and another could fly over and grab their space craft. It's not fucking difficult. I already want to quit this rewatch. It's like everyone forgot "Oh yeah, we have super powers!" I'm fearful with how much more stupid this arc is gonna get.

[psi_brg]

Hey dude,

When I was watching those early episode....I felt like my IQ had decreased a significant amount haha, It was nearly unbearable. But I think DBGT tried to go for the whole DB feeling, when Goku was young and him and Bulma were hunting for the Earth DB's - DBGT failed really badly here.

Those episode you speak of, were torturous - I was just waiting for goku (who should be f'n strong really) to just Kamehameha the crap out of everyone, dragon punch whatever but no00oo he doesn't.

Trunks is well - I don't know how he had gone from DBZ personality to this DBGT ameba.

Pan, I thought Gohan whined a lot... but she goes NEXT LEVEL.

All in all, It was hard to watch DBGT - the only thing that I really watched it for was, probably what everyone else did

SSJ4 Goku
SSJ4 Vegeta (cheat)
SSJ$ Gogeta

But lets be honest, even SSJ4 Gogeta should have dominated, what happened to that awesome move he used to finish Janemba off? - do that once and good by OMEGA Shenron

[Hellspawn28]

I found a lot of the characters to be forgettable and annoying. Pan to me was the Scrappy Doo of the Dragon Ball franchise. It should have been just Goku, Ubb and Trunks going along to space. Maybe throw Goten as well.

[dbzfan7]

I now remember why I always skipped the first arc. I just finished the Immega story...and WTF!!!. That whole problem could have been ended in 1 episode. Fly to the fucking castles top, punch a hole in the wall, kick the shit out of Ledgic, and presto it's over. Speaking of flying, why were they hopping around and falling over so much? THEY CAN FLY!

[sintzu]

You manged to watch the whole saga ? you my friend are a true dragon ball fan,it takes a lot of love for a series to sit through something that bad

Anyway what they should have done was have each z fighter (goku-vegeta-gohan-piccolo-goten-trunks-uub)go after one ball and have each one fight an epic villian to show what they have learned in the 15 years since the buu arc

[Vijay]

The Z-Male fighters searching for Black Star DB's would've made things interesting.

Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Goten, Uub in a Spaceship TOGETHER would redefine badassery.

The only silver lining of 20+ episodes of torturous hunt would be episode 5 & 6: Goku vs Legdic (which was great by GT standard, decent by Z's standard) & "That'll hurt a bit! Goku The dentist" episode.

Lack of detail is major problem here. We have Black Star DragonBalls in the universe which was a great premise, but things got real ugly. Planets like Immega, M2, Lood's etc were painful to be watched. Forget abt character developments, Goku as main character became borderline annoying. All he does is talk & gets his butt kicked.

[shinmaru]

They messed up by introducing first DragonBall Goofy characters look alike,
you can't do that after seeing Z. Ssj4 vs Pig
I loved the General Rilldo, it was the first serious looking character.

[Kid Buu]

That was my problem with that arc. They never gave you a reason to believe that the heroes in real danger, there's absolutely no tension and as a result the battles become unenjoyable and quite frankly meaningless.

[Vijay]

They messed up by introducing first DragonBall Goofy characters look alike,
you can't do that after seeing Z. Ssj4 vs Pig
I loved the General Rilldo, it was the first serious looking character.

The pig part really made me lol.
I think he also fougth with a LARGE pink Duck-like the gets killed by rain & SSJ4 vs TOAD?!

[shinmaru]

They messed up by introducing first DragonBall Goofy characters look alike,
you can't do that after seeing Z. Ssj4 vs Pig
I loved the General Rilldo, it was the first serious looking character.

The pig part really made me lol.
I think he also fougth with a LARGE pink Duck-like the gets killed by rain & SSJ4 vs TOAD?!

Lol, yea serious it was heart breaking to watch.

[Marco Polo]

Anyway what they should have done was have each z fighter (goku-vegeta-gohan-piccolo-goten-trunks-uub)go after one ball and have each one fight an epic villian to show what they have learned in the 15 years since the buu arc

That would have been pretty cool.

[shinmaru]

You know , GT was meant for the new Generation of kids to injoy back then.

[Rocketman]

Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Goten, Uub in a Spaceship TOGETHER would redefine badassery.

Vegeta, really? Everybody else is goodnatured enough to go along with tomfoolery, Vegeta would just slaughter his way across the galaxy again.

Which would be pretty bitchin', tbh.

[psi_brg]

Vegeta, really? Everybody else is goodnatured enough to go along with tomfoolery, Vegeta would just slaughter his way across the galaxy again.

Which would be pretty bitchin', tbh.

^^ This, Imagine If Vegeta had another mental melt down, kinda like when he went Majin to crave those feelings he use to have - went chasing the black star DB's defeating z warriors etc, then have some sort of character development and goku ass whipping to bring him inline again, chuck him a pink shirt or sum, sum

Anything would be better than GT though, So I endorse the above

[Hellspawn28]

You know , GT was meant for the new Generation of kids to injoy back then.

GT came out right after DBZ ended. Saying that new generation of kids to enjoy back then does not make sense.

[Vijay]

Vegeta, really? Everybody else is goodnatured enough to go along with tomfoolery, Vegeta would just slaughter his way across the galaxy again.

Which would be pretty bitchin', tbh.

^^ This, Imagine If Vegeta had another mental melt down, kinda like when he went Majin to crave those feelings he use to have - went chasing the black star DB's defeating z warriors etc, then have some sort of character development and goku ass whipping to bring him inline again, chuck him a pink shirt or sum, sum

Anything would be better than GT though, So I endorse the above

Yeah. Anything's better than GT. The whole Vegeta mental breakdown scenario seems plausible when compared to what we got in GT.

[shinmaru]

You know , GT was meant for the new Generation of kids to injoy back then.

GT came out right after DBZ ended. Saying that new generation of kids to enjoy back then does not make sense.

Most of the active viewers grown into adults When Z ended.

[Hellspawn28]

DBZ ran from 1989 - 1996 in Japan. I don't think it's not that long of a gab. If GT came out 10 years later, I would agree.

[shinmaru]

DBZ ran from 1989 - 1996 in Japan. I don't think it's not that long of a gab. If GT came out 10 years later, I would agree.

Kids where like 5,6 years old when DragonBall Began it's first run in 1986 they should be 15 and older by 1996.
It looks to me they made GT for younger viewers to Sell more merchandise .

[Cetra]

You can't tell a story with broken characters so you either have to ignore their powers or modify the story for their powers. And if you don't want to tell the story like this but it being relaxed a bit or simply not be that strict and serious at everything as it often is very boring as artist and in the end its fiction you need to take away the seriousness. Just as Tenshinhan "cannot" open a steel door in Dragon ball Z as he wasn't supposed to open it like this.

The only episodes I don't like about Dragon Ball GT in terms of recycling are Zunama's. It was just Oolong's chase, the Kame Hame-Ha at Gymao's hill and the Pirate Cave Escape all at once.

The GT was the prelude to Baby and THAT was cool for me in terms of storytelling.

Baby conquering Earth was shown TOO fast and didn't have the best details happening.

It should have been something like this:

Baby MCs Yamchu and Tenshinhan. He fights Goten.
Baby MCs Goten. He fights Gohan.
Baby MCs Gohan and a kickass Ultimate Baby Gohan vs Vegeta battle unleashes.
Vegeta is so strong, that Gohan goes the now even stronger Super Saiyajin.
Vegeta goes Super Saiyajin 3 and Gohan is eventually defeated as Super Saiyajin 3 is even more badass than 15 years ago, even more than Super Saiyajin Gohan.
Baby either then controls Vegeta or waits for Goku and Vegeta to team up and then sneaks into Vegeta's body.
Mega-Saiyajin Baby Vegeta defeats the handycaped SSJ3 Goku and then becomes Super Baby Vegeta.
Oob arrives and fuses with Boo after losing. Then he fights Baby again.
He fights good its let himself getting eaten on purpose to use his magic later in an unexpected moment.
The Final Battle with SSJ4 Goku and Super/Giant Ape Baby Vegeta.