The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kid Buu » Tue May 20, 2014 1:52 pm

Although, Vegetto easily destroyed the Ghosts and mocked it for being a silly kids move.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by chaospunishment » Tue May 20, 2014 2:47 pm

Only because he's been reduced to using a 9 Year Old's technique.

If it was Goku alone he'd most do exactly what Gohan did.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Tue May 20, 2014 2:52 pm

chaospunishment wrote:Only because he's been reduced to using a 9 Year Old's technique.

If it was Goku alone he'd most do exactly what Gohan did.
Goku knew not to hit the Ghosts unlike Gohan

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by chaospunishment » Tue May 20, 2014 4:49 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
chaospunishment wrote:Only because he's been reduced to using a 9 Year Old's technique.

If it was Goku alone he'd most do exactly what Gohan did.
Goku knew not to hit the Ghosts unlike Gohan
Wasn't that only after Gohan hit it in the first place?

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Post by Cursed Lemon » Tue May 20, 2014 5:45 pm

SSJ3 is still a 400x boost to base.

So Gotenks would need to be Goten + Trunks x 50 + insane fusion multiplier that is also not anywhere near Potara fusion.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Tue May 20, 2014 8:52 pm

chaospunishment wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:
chaospunishment wrote:Only because he's been reduced to using a 9 Year Old's technique.

If it was Goku alone he'd most do exactly what Gohan did.
Goku knew not to hit the Ghosts unlike Gohan
Wasn't that only after Gohan hit it in the first place?
I THINK the anime had a scene where Goku tells Gohan not to hit it as if he knew the attack. Also what do you mean Goku only? Do you mean he never saw Gohan fight Boo or he had to fight Boo by himself?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbgtFO » Wed May 21, 2014 5:37 am

TheGmGoken wrote:
chaospunishment wrote:
Wasn't that only after Gohan hit it in the first place?
I THINK the anime had a scene where Goku tells Gohan not to hit it as if he knew the attack. Also what do you mean Goku only? Do you mean he never saw Gohan fight Boo or he had to fight Boo by himself?
In the anime Goku had witnessed Gotenks' Ghost attack through Old Kaioshin's crystal ball, because Gotenks used it as a SS3 and in base form, when fighting Super Buu on Earth.
That's why he knew about the attack and Gohan didn't.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by In Brightest Day » Wed May 21, 2014 6:12 am

Raditz vs. Goku, Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha, Chaozu & Yajirobe.

The rest of the Z-Fighters arrive after Gohan attacks Raditz. Can they make a difference?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Wed May 21, 2014 7:02 am

Kid Buu wrote:Although, Vegetto easily destroyed the Ghosts and mocked it for being a silly kids move.
Oh yeah, that's right. That's pretty bullshit of Vegetto to say that though because the ghosts are absurdly powerful for their user, even if they can be countered with ranged attacks.

But I guess Goku would probably know to stay away, or could probably even IT from the explosion in time if one touches him. So I'll change my answer to him winning.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by chaospunishment » Wed May 21, 2014 11:21 am

In Brightest Day wrote:Raditz vs. Goku, Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha, Chaozu & Yajirobe.

The rest of the Z-Fighters arrive after Gohan attacks Raditz. Can they make a difference?
Raditz doesn't have enough Elbows, Hands or Feet to attack more than 2 people. He also lets his guard down a lot.

Chaozu's powers would probably work and Yajirobe would probably get in a few cheap slashes somewhere to damage him.

They could all probably stall him long enough for Piccolo to kill him. Maybe Tenshinhan too.

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Post by Hugo Boss » Wed May 21, 2014 6:27 pm

Base Goku (Post SSGod) vs Super Baby Vegeta 2

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed May 21, 2014 6:29 pm

Hugo Boss wrote:Base Goku (Post SSGod) vs Super Baby Vegeta 2
Baby is fucked. Base Goku is nearly as strong as SSGod Goku, and Baby is weaker than SS4 Goku, who is slightly weaker than Super Vegetto, who is far below God Goku.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed May 21, 2014 6:34 pm

As the guidebooks place them in the same timeline, Super Baby 1 >>>> anyone in BOG. Goku gets grounded into a fine paste.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed May 21, 2014 6:40 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:As the guidebooks place them in the same timeline, Super Baby 1 >>>> anyone in BOG. Goku gets grounded into a fine paste.
Or, Super Saiyan God is mysteriously gone like Ultimate.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed May 21, 2014 6:46 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:As the guidebooks place them in the same timeline, Super Baby 1 >>>> anyone in BOG. Goku gets grounded into a fine paste.
Or, Super Saiyan God is mysteriously gone like Ultimate.
I doubt it, especially given that Goku says Super Baby 1 is the strongest ki he's ever sensed.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed May 21, 2014 6:49 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:I doubt it, especially given that Goku says Super Baby 1 is the strongest ki he's ever sensed.
Beerus had a godly ki, so maybe he isn't included. And I doubt it even more that Goku would change the mechanics of Super Saiyan God through training to bring back the multipliers in his transformations.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by xmysticgohanx » Wed May 21, 2014 7:27 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:I doubt it, especially given that Goku says Super Baby 1 is the strongest ki he's ever sensed.
Beerus had a godly ki, so maybe he isn't included. And I doubt it even more that Goku would change the mechanics of Super Saiyan God through training to bring back the multipliers in his transformations.
He probably loses his god powers somehow.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed May 21, 2014 7:36 pm

xmysticgohanx wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:I doubt it, especially given that Goku says Super Baby 1 is the strongest ki he's ever sensed.
Beerus had a godly ki, so maybe he isn't included. And I doubt it even more that Goku would change the mechanics of Super Saiyan God through training to bring back the multipliers in his transformations.
He probably loses his god powers somehow.
Probably by turning into a kid. It did have side-effects on him after all: his personality was slightly changed, his stamina decreased, he couldn't use Shunkan Ido properly, and he could only stay as a Super Saiyan 3 for less than a minute.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Thu May 22, 2014 4:02 am

I thought Toriyama had made it clear that GT continuity is completely different from BoG continuity.

Anyway, no comments on Olibu vs. 16?
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Post by dbgtFO » Thu May 22, 2014 6:53 am

Polyphase Avatron wrote: Anyway, no comments on Olibu vs. 16?
Olibu was on par with Paikuhan(weighted), who had defeated Cell.
Olibu wins rather easily in fact.

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