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FoolsGil · Post by **FoolsGil** » Wed May 21, 2014 2:31 pm

Well, at least she had to work for her win, well not really, she just took off her weighted clothing, but still. and the ending was obviously dissatisfying. Raichi and Vegeta's should be a swell match from start to finish.

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Wed May 21, 2014 2:47 pm

"Fuuuuuuck!!!"

Well. That was anticlimactic.

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Wed May 21, 2014 2:52 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:"Fuuuuuuck!!!"

Well. That was anticlimactic.

Teleporting like that should be barred. It's cheap and can guarantee victory to anyone who can't teleport back. I still think Vegetto's loss was dumb. Would have been better to see him lose to a more powerful spell.

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Wed May 21, 2014 2:53 pm

I don't have a problem with it. XXI legitimately incapacitated Vegetto for several hours, which counts as a win by any reasonable standard.

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Wed May 21, 2014 2:56 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:I don't have a problem with it. XXI legitimately incapacitated Vegetto for several hours, which counts as a win by any reasonable standard.

I don't like it. Same can be said about Bra's move. They both just used a move that guarantee's victory without an actual fight in a Martial Arts Tournament. Both are legal, but I'd feel ripped off if I watched a match where they don't even have to fight to win.

We're build up to XXI...and he does a boring move and probably won't be heard from again in a looooong time.

miguelnuva1 · Post by **miguelnuva1** » Wed May 21, 2014 3:03 pm

The difference between XXI and Bra is one is a hero with know limits while the other is a giant mystery. Bra could have knocked Eliem on his butt quickly but she choose to win by ring out,

XXI didn't even attempt to engage or acknowledged Vegito after being teased for two years.

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Wed May 21, 2014 3:10 pm

miguelnuva1 wrote:The difference between XXI and Bra is one is a hero with know limits while the other is a giant mystery. Bra could have knocked Eliem on his butt quickly but she choose to win by ring out,

XXI didn't even attempt to engage or acknowledged Vegito after being teased for two years.

I can agree that Bra won't resort to this trick, but it's still as lame as rain being what defeated Wu Xing Long.

I just find it so unsatisfying. We know nothing about him, he finally shows up, does a boring move, and now we don't see him again for a long time.

Marco Polo · Post by **Marco Polo** » Wed May 21, 2014 3:14 pm

Bra was lucky Eleim can survive in space.

Hades · Post by **Hades** » Wed May 21, 2014 9:11 pm

I was really hoping that this fight would have made her a lot less cocky (as in utterly physically and mentally exhausted and taken down a peg or two) but nope, salagir goes "Muh mary sue!"

miguelnuva1 · Post by **miguelnuva1** » Wed May 21, 2014 11:05 pm

Hades wrote:I was really hoping that this fight would have made her a lot less cocky (as in utterly physically and mentally exhausted and taken down a peg or two) but nope, salagir goes "Muh mary sue!"

Bra is no where near a Mary Sue. Compare Bra to Madaka from Madaka box for example.

Kingdom Heartless · Post by **Kingdom Heartless** » Thu May 22, 2014 12:14 am

I see the term "Mary Sue" thrown around wayyyyy too much.

TheGmGoken · Post by **TheGmGoken** » Thu May 22, 2014 12:57 am

I'm starting to think some people here don't know what a "Mary Sue" is....

Kid Buu · Post by **Kid Buu** » Thu May 22, 2014 3:18 am

Kingdom Heartless wrote:I see the term "Mary Sue" thrown around wayyyyy too much.

Agreed, it just seems like a scopegoat-term used against characters that people don't like.

Saiga · Post by **Saiga** » Thu May 22, 2014 6:59 am

While it's certainly overused, I think it fits pretty well for Bra - depending on what definition you go by, that is, I don't think she's an idealized version of Salagir (but I think that description is far too restrictive and doesn't address the actual problem).

But even though I dislike Bra I am pretty happy with her during this fight. Her attitude is a bit much but her actual tactics were enjoyable.

FoolsGil · Post by **FoolsGil** » Thu May 22, 2014 10:11 am

Bra could very well be a Mary Sue.

-Bra is an idealized version of her canon form.
-Even if we disbar the hair and eye color changes due to her genetic makeup, she is obscenely powerful. FPSSJ Bra could very well destroy SSJ3 Goku, at least based on his response when Bra powered up against Zangya. And SSJ2 Bra can easily destroy SSJ3 Goku
-Bra (and in extension Vegetto) has gotten more focus than anyone else in series, even if not the main character in the main story.

I went ahead and did a Mary Sue Test on Bra. She got a 38, and I didn't check the boxes that went over her beauty, or her SSJ color changes, and didn't select some boxes due to not being Saligir, and not knowing what he thinks of her. The quiz stated for her score of 38:

Fanfiction & MMO/RPG/Original Fiction: Extremely high chance your character is a Mary Sue. VERY risky range.

Tzigi · Post by **Tzigi** » Thu May 22, 2014 4:19 pm

FoolsGil wrote:her SSJ color changes

And those would be?

TonyTheTiger · Post by **TonyTheTiger** » Thu May 22, 2014 4:20 pm

Mary Sues don't exist in a vacuum. A character is or is not a Mary Sue based on context and how they relate to other characters. They happen when you take all good qualities and stick them in a single character at the expense of others. Bra has only one "good" quality, her power. And that's not even unique. Vegetto, Buu, Gast Carcolh, Gotenks, Gohan, and Cell have all demonstrated themselves to be in the same class. Even these U19 guys are super strong. They just got unlucky in their match ups and the fact that Eleim put Bra in such a situation that she was forced to think outside the box shows that she's not being excessively fanwanked. I do think she's something of a one trick pony, arbitrarily abrasive at every turn and needlessly profane, but that doesn't make her a Mary Sue. She may be a flat character, maybe even an annoying one, but she's definitely no Mary Sue.

Puto · Post by **Puto** » Thu May 22, 2014 4:36 pm

I personally got a 34 for her, ‘Fanfiction & MMO/RPG/Original Fiction: High-to-very high chance your character is a Mary Sue. Risky range to be in.’

Still not a good thing, though in her defence, many of those options are default for pretty much every Dragon Ball character ever.

Examples:

Does your character have the ability to shapeshift?
Into multiple forms?

^ Yeah, show me a Saiyan who can't transform.

Does your character possess power that can take out entire cities/legions of soldiers/general all-around-evil?

^ Yeah, pretty much everybody in Dragon Ball can do this.

A member of a despised, outcast, and/or downtrodden race or group?

^ (Saiyans arguably qualify)

FoolsGil · Post by **FoolsGil** » Thu May 22, 2014 5:52 pm

Tzigi wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:her SSJ color changes
And those would be?

I just meant the changes from blue hair to gold hair, and the green eyes.

miguelnuva1 · Post by **miguelnuva1** » Fri May 23, 2014 12:54 am

A true Mary Sue has no faults, Bra has several. Bra can also be owned by several people still in the tournament.

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