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Pan to me makes me think of if Bulma had super powers in the Hunt for the Dragon Balls arc. Though without the flirting of course.
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I think the Bebi stuff went on too long, but otherwise, it was fine. Power level enthusiasts go nuts at how Earth wasn't blown up by Bebi's attack. Piccolo's death was very sad, but I do agree that it really did come from out of nowhere. No build up at all. He just suddenly turned out to be alive...and then died for real. Trunks even said Piccolo was stronger than him during the Oolong rip off saga so perhaps it ain't too far fetched he managed to survive.
Also worst tenkaichi budokai ever. Pretty boring. However MAGURE IS THE STRONGEST BEING IN THE UNIVERSE....fear his ability to tickle you .
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I'm at Super 17....WTF is this shit. It sounds like a fan fiction given budget. 17 was originally supposed to be more powerful than Cell? Did a fanboy write that line?
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Ok I have now finished watching everything GT. I think as a whole it really isn't as terrible as people say it is. Only really awful stuff for me was what happened from getting the first 2 Dragon Balls, the entirety of the Super 17 arc (Cept that awesome punch that sent S-17 across the planet), the absolute Goku worship, and the extremely ridiculous power levels. Other than that I didn't have such a bad time. Though you can add "Heroes Legacy" into the shit category, that movie/special sucked.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
I found Heroes Legacy better then the whole show. The scenes with Goku Jr. and Pan were really well done and it did brought back the feel of early DB then the Black Star Dragon Ball arc did in my opinion.
Hellspawn28 wrote:I found Heroes Legacy better then the whole show. The scenes with Goku Jr. and Pan were really well done and it did brought back the feel of early DB then the Black Star Dragon Ball arc did in my opinion.
I liked that. I just didn't like how every problem was solved with random out of nowhere hidden power EVERY SINGLE TIME. Wolves: Hidden Power (Though Crazy Lady shot at the wolves, he still got out just like how Gohan did with the T-Rex), Crazy demon lady: Hidden Power, Man Eater: Hidden Power, Big Guy: Super Saiyan out of his ass for...bears he just met like not even an hour ago.
Not even Gohan solved any of his problems with that. Every time he used his, it never ended a problem (Sans Cell). Here all conflict just ends right away after a smidge of it happens.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
some_weirdGuy wrote:what sucks is how it didn't even have any references to Freeza's empire. Would have tied it together so much better if some of those random groups were swapped to be spliter factions of the world trade staking their claim over small parts of the galaxy, and otherwise making more references to the world trade and the upheaval following the disappearance of it's leader.
I don't want to sound like a suck-up, but this is one of the things I like the most about Kaboom's GT Revision. The Frieza organization and it's ramifications are tied in nicely and makes things more intriguing.
Yamcha: Do you remember the spell to release him - do you know all the words? Bulma: Of course! I'm not gonna pull a Frieza and screw it up! Master Roshi: Bulma, I think Frieza failed because he wore too many clothes! Cold World (Fanfic) "It ain't never too late to stop bein' a bitch." - Chad Lamont Butler
The scenes with Goku Jr. and Pan were really well done and it did brought back the feel of early DB then the Black Star Dragon Ball arc did in my opinion.
Really? It's far more dramatic than anything in early DB, and Goku Jr. is much more like Gohan.
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