Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[TonyTheTiger]

Earlier update than usual, I see.

[Hellspawn28]

I hope Vegeta wins this one. I still wonder how popular U13 Vegito would be?

[rereboy]

The only thing in this fan manga that actually contradicts the manga is Cold being stronger than Freeza

There is also Dabra's energy been used for Majin Boo, and #17 & #18 being cyborgs.

#17 and #18 are technically cyborgs. They are humans enhanced with artificial parts. #18 can even have sex and give birth to a normal human child without any problems. The manga just calls them all androids for simplicity sake since others are fully artificial like #16 and #19. There's no contradiction.

The energy that can be used to revive Buu and how it works is confusing and not clear in the manga, we really don't have definite answers regarding that issue, just guesses. In the special Babidi indeed used Dabra but that proved to be not nearly enough to revive Buu so it only served to hurt Babidi's objectives since its a stupid decision to weaken your best fighters when facing opposition. The only difference I see is that Babidi was more stupid in this reality than in the main one.

[Saiga]

The manga outright says only "good" energy can revive Boo, so unless you think Dabra's a good person, it's contradictory.

[Kamiccolo9]

The manga outright says only "good" energy can revive Boo, so unless you think Dabra's a good person, it's contradictory.

Wasn't Vegeta's ki contributing to Buu's revival at that point as too, though? So what constitutes "good" ki?

[Saiga]

The manga outright says only "good" energy can revive Boo, so unless you think Dabra's a good person, it's contradictory.

Wasn't Vegeta's ki contributing to Buu's revival at that point as too, though? So what constitutes "good" ki?

I don't think it's said that it was.

[rereboy]

The manga outright says only "good" energy can revive Boo, so unless you think Dabra's a good person, it's contradictory.

Did Dabra's energy revive Buu? No? It failed? So, it appears that Babidi was just more stupid in this reality, like I said? Ok, then.

Also, as far as I know, the manga only says that it requires pure energy but for some reason Kaioshin's and Kibito's energy can't be used. So, not really clear, like I mentioned.

[Kamiccolo9]

The manga outright says only "good" energy can revive Boo, so unless you think Dabra's a good person, it's contradictory.

Wasn't Vegeta's ki contributing to Buu's revival at that point as too, though? So what constitutes "good" ki?

I don't think it's said that it was.

Well, I just checked the strength checker, and it just mentions Goku's damage, so you're probably right. I can't remember if the manga has any more statements regarding this.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

#17 and #18 are technically cyborgs. They are humans enhanced with artificial parts. #18 can even have sex and give birth to a normal human child without any problems. The manga just calls them all androids for simplicity sake since others are fully artificial like #16 and #19. There's no contradiction.

No, #17 & #18 had organic modifications, the only thing that is mechanical in them is the bomb and the shut-down switch. DBM calls them cyborgs, and has them getting rusty as if they are mechanical.

The energy that can be used to revive Buu and how it works is confusing and not clear in the manga, we really don't have definite answers regarding that issue, just guesses. In the special Babidi indeed used Dabra but that proved to be not nearly enough to revive Buu so it only served to hurt Babidi's objectives since its a stupid decision to weaken your best fighters when facing opposition. The only difference I see is that Babidi was more stupid in this reality than in the main one.

We are told in the manga that only energy from good guys, except for gods, can be used. Dabra's energy was used in DBM, something that shouldn't be possible. It doesn't matter if he wasn't revived, he would have been if Dabra was strong enough. But not even donating should have been possible, given to what we know in the manga.

[rereboy]

No, #17 & #18 had organic modifications, the only thing that is mechanical in them is the bomb and the shut-down switch. DBM calls them cyborgs, and has them getting rusty as if they are mechanical.

Straight from the manga:



Notice the designation of #17 and #18? As in "cyborgs"? Yeah...

Also, nowhere in the manga is ever clearly stated the nature of their power modifications, as in if they are based on biotechnology or any other sort of technology. Your assumption that the mechanism that provides them with their power is entirely biological has no support in the manga at all.

Finally, DBM never claimed that they get rust. They are just following the simply logic that everything degrades, so, the mechanisms inside of them would naturally degrade and become less efficient in time without maintenance. This view might imply that their mechanisms aren't purely biological, but such a thing is never stated or made clear in the manga, so no contradiction arises from this.

We are told in the manga that only energy from good guys, except for gods, can be used. Dabra's energy was used in DBM, something that shouldn't be possible. It doesn't matter if he wasn't revived, he would have been if Dabra was strong enough. But not even donating should have been possible, given to what we know in the manga.

"Can be used TO REVIVE BUU"! Did Dabra's energy successfully managed to revive Buu? NO! It failed! In fact, we can even interpret the special by saying that no form of Buu came out, not even a weaker one, because, not only the wrong energy was used, the ball was opened too early and Buu couldn't be revived! All we see in the special is Babidi being more stupid than in the main universe. It would only be a contradiction if it had successfully revived Buu!

And this would only happen assuming that in fact only good energy could be used. All I see stated in the manga is that only "pure" energy can be used but for some reason Kaioshin's and Kibito's energy can't be used, nothing more. Spopovich, his partner and their device seemed only concerned with levels of energy, not with if the energy was good or not.

The only importance being good had in that arc that I can see in the manga was to resist Babidi's control, nothing more.

So, unless you provide me with a clear source in the manga for only good energy being usable, I will say that not even if Buu was revived in some form it would be a clear contradiction.

[goku1234]

[Kamiccolo9]

So, unless you provide me with a clear source in the manga for only good energy being usable, I will say that not even if Buu was revived in some form it would be a clear contradiction.

I will say that it is a bit odd that Bibidi's spell would specifically require good energy to revive Buu. Assuming that he invented that spell, that's an odd choice to make, seeing as it limits his options.

I pretty much agree with the rest though.

Concerning Multiverse, so glad that Asura is back.

[miguelnuva1]

Well Vegeta just pulled out ssj2.

[Hellspawn28]

DBM: The Animated Series Episode 3 is finally up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s__NASaaHxA

Bad voice acting but it's not too bad for a low budget fan series.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Straight from the manga:



Notice the designation of #17 and #18? As in "cyborgs"? Yeah...

An English translation isn't "straight from the manga". This is either an adaptation or a scanlation, and neither of them is reliable.

Also, nowhere in the manga is ever clearly stated the nature of their power modifications, as in if they are based on biotechnology or any other sort of technology. Your assumption that the mechanism that provides them with their power is entirely biological has no support in the manga at all.

From a human base, he's [#17] been almost entirely remodeled with just organic components

That's from the anime FUNi subs, and the line is in the manga as well.

Finally, DBM never claimed that they get rust. They are just following the simply logic that everything degrades, so, the mechanisms inside of them would naturally degrade and become less efficient in time without maintenance. This view might imply that their mechanisms aren't purely biological, but such a thing is never stated or made clear in the manga, so no contradiction arises from this.

It implies that they are machines that need to be checked regularly.

"Can be used TO REVIVE BUU"! Did Dabra's energy successfully managed to revive Buu? NO! It failed! In fact, we can even interpret the special by saying that no form of Buu came out, not even a weaker one, because, not only the wrong energy was used, the ball was opened too early and Buu couldn't be revived! All we see in the special is Babidi being more stupid than in the main universe. It would only be a contradiction if it had successfully revived Buu!

It seems very weird that Babidi knew everything about Majin Boo, but he didn't know what types of energy were compatible, even though he could tell that Kaioshin's & Kibito's energies couldn't be used. And if he thought that Dabra's energy could be used, why didn't he stay in his spaceship and had all of his henchmen give their energies again & again after resting, instead of sending them around to find other sources? Why didn't he call Vegeta to give his energy when he possessed him instead of having him fight with Goku? It doesn't just make Babidi stupid, it makes Toriyama appear stupid, who clearly established in his manga that the energy from Babidi's henchmen couldn't be used.

[rereboy]

An English translation isn't "straight from the manga". This is either an adaptation or a scanlation, and neither of them is reliable.

I'm sorry, but that's a scan from the english manga and if you are going to claim its translation is inaccurate in this page, then you better offer proof of such a claim.

From a human base, he's [#17] been almost entirely remodeled with just organic components

That's from the anime FUNi subs, and the line is in the manga as well.

"From a human base, he's [#17] been ALMOST entirely remodeled with just organic components".

There are two ways to interpret that line. Either you interpret it as Bulma saying that his body has been almost entirely remodeled, and that process used only organic components, or you interpret it as Bulma saying that his remodel has been achieved almost only with organic components.

Since WE KNOW that the androids also have stuff like bombs inside them, we either interpret that line using the second interpretation, or we stick with the first interpretation and assume there's an apparent inconsistency in what Bulma is saying.

Also, Bulma doesn't mention just that. Here's what she says in the manga:



So, in one panel she says the line you mentioned that can be interpreted either way, and then she confirms that he has cybernetic parts, making the interpretation that they only have biologic components inconsistent.

So, personally, to me its clear that the line should be interpreted using the second interpretation due to the fact that we know that they have stuff like bombs in them, that the term cyborg is used regarding them, just like its used regarding #20 (which we clearly saw had mechanical parts), and that Bulma confirms that they have cybernetic parts.

But don't take my word for all this. You want a well written and researched article about why she is an cyborg? Here, read this: http://lovelycyborg.com/cyband.php

Hopefully, that will clear any doubts.

It implies that they are machines that need to be checked regularly.

It implies that some of their components require maintenance, yes. And we know that they have stuff like bombs inside of them and the logical interpretation for the line you provided is that Bulma is stating that they were remodeled using almost only organic components, but they have non-organic components, namely cybernetics. So, it seems a logical assumption for DBM to make.

It seems very weird that Babidi knew everything about Majin Boo, but he didn't know what types of energy were compatible, even though he could tell that Kaioshin's & Kibito's energies couldn't be used. And if he thought that Dabra's energy could be used, why didn't he stay in his spaceship and had all of his henchmen give their energies again & again after resting, instead of sending them around to find other sources? Why didn't he call Vegeta to give his energy when he possessed him instead of having him fight with Goku? It doesn't just make Babidi stupid, it makes Toriyama appear stupid, who clearly established in his manga that the energy from Babidi's henchmen couldn't be used.

Because making your bodyguards become weak is pretty stupid, especially when you are being hunted by the highest god in existence, as this special demonstrated. Its much safer to secure strong and loyal bodyguards and use henchmen to collect energy. But Babidi in this reality was so stupid that he made Dabra weaker just so that he could release Buu earlier and because of that he lost to opposition much weaker than his strongest bodyguard was.

If anything, even assuming that it was possible for Dabra to give energy to Buu in the manga, Toriyama made Babidi much smarter than he was in this chapter by not making his bodyguards weak.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Zen-Buu > Buu(Gohan Absorbed) far better character...


The only characters I disliked in this fanwork was Videl and Bra, their portrayals seemed too unlikely to me. Then theres that weird character that looks like Tifa.... meh... and Broly being yet again the center of attention... ehh.. though overall the scenarios were pretty good. I'd like to see more what-if scenarios is possible... like if Imperfect Cell Absorbed Super 17 instead?

[goku the krump dancer]

This was meant to "replace" GT, so no SSJ4, Bebi, Super 17 or Evil Dragons.

The possibility of there still being a MajUub/ Super Oob is still there, though unlikely.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I'm sorry, but that's a scan from the english manga and if you are going to claim its translation is inaccurate in this page, then you better offer proof of such a claim.

I never said that this was inaccurate, I said that your source isn't reliable, since it either comes from an English adaptation (Viz) or a fan scanlation (turns out to be the Viz). It is you who should prove me what it really says in the original version.

"From a human base, he's [#17] been ALMOST entirely remodeled with just organic components".

There are two ways to interpret that line. Either you interpret it as Bulma saying that his body has been almost entirely remodeled, and that process used only organic components, or you interpret it as Bulma saying that his remodel has been achieved almost only with organic components.

Since WE KNOW that the androids also have stuff like bombs inside them, we either interpret that line using the second interpretation, or we stick with the first interpretation and assume there's an apparent inconsistency in what Bulma is saying.

Also, Bulma doesn't mention just that. Here's what she says in the manga:

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So, in one panel she says the line you mentioned that can be interpreted either way, and then she confirms that he has cybernetic parts, making the interpretation that they only have biologic components inconsistent.

So, personally, to me its clear that the line should be interpreted using the second interpretation due to the fact that we know that they have stuff like bombs in them, that the term cyborg is used regarding them, just like its used regarding #20 (which we clearly saw had mechanical parts), and that Bulma confirms that they have cybernetic parts.

You missed something else though: she says that they only have a few tiny cybernetic parts that might be the key to their weakness (she says the same thing in the FUNi subs of the anime). As far as we know, the only mechanical parts in them are the mechanics to shut them down, and the bomb.

But don't take my word for all this. You want a well written and researched article about why she is an cyborg? Here, read this: http://lovelycyborg.com/cyband.php

It explains why they aren't androids, but not why they are cyborgs. The only cybernetic thing we know that they have is the shut down device & the bomb. Though, I guess just by that we could call them cyborgs?

It implies that some of their components require maintenance, yes. And we know that they have stuff like bombs inside of them and the logical interpretation for the line you provided is that Bulma is stating that they were remodeled using almost only organic components, but they have non-organic components, namely cybernetics. So, it seems a logical assumption for DBM to make.

It's a logical assumption for DBM to make when they assume that that #17 & #18 are remodeled using mechanical parts. Why would they get weaker and need maintenance when their energy source, and their limbs are organic?

Because making your bodyguards become weak is pretty stupid, especially when you are being hunted by the highest god in existence, as this special demonstrated. Its much safer to secure strong and loyal bodyguards and use henchmen to collect energy. But Babidi in this reality was so stupid that he made Dabra weaker just so that he could release Buu earlier and because of that he lost to opposition much weaker than his strongest bodyguard was.

If anything, even assuming that it was possible for Dabra to give energy to Buu in the manga, Toriyama made Babidi much smarter than he was in this chapter by not making his bodyguards weak.

Babidi was very powerful by himself already, and he even wanted to kill Kaioshin by himself anyway. Kibito was much weaker, and he also didn't know that Kaioshin would need help. Besides, he could have revived Boo instantly with Vegeta's energy, and he wouldn't need to have him fight with Goku. He could even use Dabra's energy to revive Boo, if you believe that he fought SS2 Gohan (but let's not talk about this). And Babidi himself said that he didn't need anyone else when he had Boo with him. And given to how impatient Babidi was to revive Boo, it really doesn't make any sense for him not using Dabra (if you think he is on SS2 Gohan level) or Vegeta after he had filled half of Boo's energy with Gohan's energy. And we are even told that the good guys have to get damaged for energy to be transfered, not the bad guys. Only when Goku, and only Goku specifically, got damaged from Vegeta was Boo filled with energy. Pui Pui, Yakon, and Vegeta did get damaged, yet nowhere was it said that they gave energy to Boo. In fact, the opposite was stated for the first two.

And where did you get the "pure energy to revive Boo"? The manga says that good energy is absorbed by the ship and gathered in Boo's ball.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 60#p738875
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 01#p739193
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 01#p739201

So, I really don't see the argument here. Babidi's henchmen never transfered energy to Boo when they got damaged, Babidi never used any of his henchmen to donate energy even though he would have revived Boo instantly if he had done so, and we were told that only good energy can be used.

[Tzigi]

Broly being yet again the center of attention...

Just how is he "the center of attention"? There are 22 complete chapters of the main story of DBM (the one that has just started is the 23rd) and 39 complete chapters of DBM as a whole. Broly appears in:
six chapters of the main story
- chapter 1 - the first nine pages
- chapter 2 - a whooping count of two pages where he's noted by the characters
- chapter 7 - 13 pages
- chapters 9, 11 - those two deal with the actual battle
- chapter 13 - where he's just a passive character floating around in space
two special chapters - retellings of the first two Broly movies:
- chapter 8 - and it's a shorter chapter then the main story ones (it has only 12 pages)
- chapter 12
and he's mentioned (not even seen) in two other special chapters (the ones dealing with Saiyans in universe 3):
- chapter 20 - ONE page (435)
- chapter 21 - TWO pages (451 and 462)

So how is he "the center of attention" if (even if we count even his smallest appearances) he appears or is mentioned in 6 out of 22 chapters of the main story and 10 out of 39 chapters of DBM as a whole?

It's easy to make bold statements. It's hard to provide proof for them.