Did DBZ Need More Sense of Loss?

[Black_Liger]

Back when I first became addicted to DBZ, I would go all across the internet for any sort of talk relating to DBZ. And I mean all across.

Because of that, I saw that the majority of people either didn't care for DBZ, or only liked it for the nostalgia and/or fighting. Nobody ever praised it for having a well-written story or anything, and it's easy to see why.

When I say things and throw "most people" into the mix, I'm not just pulling things out of my ass. It's based off of all those years of internet surfing and real-life discussions.

I don't care what you may or may not have done. You are not the spokesperson of the internet fanbase. All of your "experience" on the internet means nothing. For every detractor you find, I, or someone else, could more than likely find someone who praises the series.

Your repetitive moping around is really getting old. You are not contributing to the discussion anymore, nor are you being a productive member of the community. You've spent the last several months reiterating the same points over and over without end, and all you've accomplished is turning a large portion of this community against you. If that was your goal, then congrats.

I'm not entirely sure why you are even here anymore. You say that you are ashamed of liking the franchise, yet you stick around. You insult members of the community, and constantly detract something many of them are passionate about, and you insist on continuing on in this fashion. Are you trying to convince people that Dragon Ball is bad? If so, then you are doing a piss-poor job of it. Nobody here (except you, you claim) is so lacking in self esteem that the opinions of anonymous internet dwellers who may or may not exist that they spiral into self loathing at the very thought of enjoying a cartoon/comic book.

Don't bother responding to this. I'll be blocking you because you are no longer worth my time. Enjoy your wallowing in "shame" or your trolling; I don't really care which it is at this point.




On Topic:
I think that this problem concerning a lack of a sense of loss picked up in the Buu Arc, with Goku and Piccolo's comments on "let them die; we can bring them back with the Dragon Balls later." Yes, I realize these moments were brought about by necessity, but the callousness of the comments kind of undercut the moment for me.

Thank you, someone had to do it.

[DonZ]

Back when I first became addicted to DBZ, I would go all across the internet for any sort of talk relating to DBZ. And I mean all across.

Because of that, I saw that the majority of people either didn't care for DBZ, or only liked it for the nostalgia and/or fighting. Nobody ever praised it for having a well-written story or anything, and it's easy to see why.

When I say things and throw "most people" into the mix, I'm not just pulling things out of my ass. It's based off of all those years of internet surfing and real-life discussions.

I don't care what you may or may not have done. You are not the spokesperson of the internet fanbase. All of your "experience" on the internet means nothing. For every detractor you find, I, or someone else, could more than likely find someone who praises the series.

Your repetitive moping around is really getting old. You are not contributing to the discussion anymore, nor are you being a productive member of the community. You've spent the last several months reiterating the same points over and over without end, and all you've accomplished is turning a large portion of this community against you. If that was your goal, then congrats.

I'm not entirely sure why you are even here anymore. You say that you are ashamed of liking the franchise, yet you stick around. You insult members of the community, and constantly detract something many of them are passionate about, and you insist on continuing on in this fashion. Are you trying to convince people that Dragon Ball is bad? If so, then you are doing a piss-poor job of it. Nobody here (except you, you claim) is so lacking in self esteem that the opinions of anonymous internet dwellers who may or may not exist that they spiral into self loathing at the very thought of enjoying a cartoon/comic book.

Don't bother responding to this. I'll be blocking you because you are no longer worth my time. Enjoy your wallowing in "shame" or your trolling; I don't really care which it is at this point.

Wow, umm.. this is kinda harsh. but who the fuck cares? someone had to do it.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Wow, umm.. this is kinda harsh. but who the fuck cares? someone had to do it.

Nobody had to do anything, he has the right to disagree. It would just help if he had more meat to his arguments though. If they were supported with more evidence or at least open-ended speculation to balance its discussability.

[Black_Liger]

Wow, umm.. this is kinda harsh. but who the fuck cares? someone had to do it.

Nobody had to do anything, he has the right to disagree. It would just help if he had more meat to his arguments though. If they were supported with more evidence or at least open-ended speculation to balance its discussability.

If they were constructive criticism, cool, but he barely backs anything up, only throwing "dbz is the worst at this and at that" every now and then or "dbz is the bottom of the writing skills of toriyama"

He doesn't even pass up as a decent troll. if he's openly embarrassed to like dbz, he only tries to get on everyone's nerves around here.


But let's go back on topic.

[thatdbzguy]

Wow, umm.. this is kinda harsh. but who the fuck cares? someone had to do it.

Nobody had to do anything, he has the right to disagree. It would just help if he had more meat to his arguments though. If they were supported with more evidence or at least open-ended speculation to balance its discussability.

I do provide meat if I feel it necessary, but the problem is that people pretend that I didn't provide said meat just because it's in conflict with what they believe.

[FrogTrigger]

Wow, umm.. this is kinda harsh. but who the fuck cares? someone had to do it.

Nobody had to do anything, he has the right to disagree. It would just help if he had more meat to his arguments though. If they were supported with more evidence or at least open-ended speculation to balance its discussability.

I do provide meat if I feel it necessary, but the problem is that people pretend that I didn't provide said meat just because it's in conflict with what they believe.

Well as an outside observer and kind of a newbie, I've never seen this happen so I don't know how often you do this dude. Like most times I see you start a thread or opinion then reinforce it by saying "well real fans/other people/hxc mofos say this and that" instead of stating your own opinions except for like, one time in that thread Kid Buu made. Now I'm kind of a lurker but a lot of threads I read that had your general presence dovetailed and instead of providing anything of substance you just kind of swung off the nuts of other posters if they agreed with you and said "see?" without stating your own opinion. If that's cause you have trouble elaborating your thoughts, I'd understand but that doesn't appear to be the case. I don't get why kamiccolo lashed out at you but you really don't add much to the discussion of topics on here. You should probably just stick to making opics and observing from the sidelines

Ontopic: I think DB can do without needing a sense of loss but I've probably been ruined on that point by serialized fiction

[thekingfallsdown]

I do provide meat if I feel it necessary, but the problem is that people pretend that I didn't provide said meat just because it's in conflict with what they believe.

Let me put it this way: "If you go around looking for views that support your argument, that's all you're going to find."

You have to look for things in an unbiased manner. Just look at the countless people on these forums who are countlessly disagreeing with you. Stop looking for views that support your argument, and maybe you'll be able to see the other side of it. You have to be willing to listen to BOTH SIDES or all you're going to see is the side that you want to see.

Anyway moving on from that, here are my thoughts on the subject.

Does Dragonball Z need a greater sense of loss? I would argue it doesn't, for the most part. As a viewer watching it the first time, I would argue that right up until the Buu saga, the sense of loss is well done. You don't know if the characters will be brought back or not. I say that the Buu saga fails in this in that it outright states several times that those that fall will be brought back, with the exception of Vegeta. This is of course only with the knowledge of the Z Dub, and the KAI dub. I haven't read the manga or seen the subbed version.

[thatdbzguy]

Let me put it this way: "If you go around looking for views that support your argument, that's all you're going to find."

You have to look for things in an unbiased manner. Just look at the countless people on these forums who are countlessly disagreeing with you. Stop looking for views that support your argument, and maybe you'll be able to see the other side of it. You have to be willing to listen to BOTH SIDES or all you're going to see is the side that you want to see.

Except that I wasn't purposely looking for DBZ bashing when I was searching across the web. I was looking for the exact opposite.

[thekingfallsdown]

Let me put it this way: "If you go around looking for views that support your argument, that's all you're going to find."

You have to look for things in an unbiased manner. Just look at the countless people on these forums who are countlessly disagreeing with you. Stop looking for views that support your argument, and maybe you'll be able to see the other side of it. You have to be willing to listen to BOTH SIDES or all you're going to see is the side that you want to see.

Except that I wasn't purposely looking for DBZ bashing when I was searching across the web. I was looking for the exact opposite.

You're clearly not, or you would be listening to both sides.... It wouldn't be "No your opinion is wrong because this is my opinion"