If a different mangaka wrote Dragon Ball

[thatdbzguy]

You think all the DB fans are "n00bs" who only watch Naruto, One Piece or Bleach, don't you? LMAO.

To be fair, even most of those "n00bs" don't think DBZ is better than Naruto or One Piece. Trust me, I've talked to several of them over the years.

Yeah, you sure know a lot. if you really have that experience you're been talking about, you would know that Naruto is the most "Trolled" anime in the history. so there's a lot of "your hardcore" anime guys that bash Naruto and give DBZ a higher score in their book. you obviously know a lot.

I know Naruto hasn't been hot with hardcore anime fans either, but DBZ doesn't get any less hate than Naruto does from them.

[TheGmGoken]

Who are these hardcore fans!? I'm a hardcore anime fan. Where are your sources? Proof please? Almost everything on internet has haters. I haven't seen as much hate as you're saying there is. I've seen more hate with Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece.

[DonZ]

To be fair, even most of those "n00bs" don't think DBZ is better than Naruto or One Piece. Trust me, I've talked to several of them over the years.

Yeah, you sure know a lot. if you really have that experience you're been talking about, you would know that Naruto is the most "Trolled" anime in the history. so there's a lot of "your hardcore" anime guys that bash Naruto and give DBZ a higher score in their book. you obviously know a lot.

Probably because of its popularity here in America.

The series is always topping manga sales chart, with Sailor Moon being its only real competitor.

I don't think Naruto deserves all the shit it gets. and the reason why people hate on Naruto cause it's the most mainsream anime right now. the majority of people who get into anime for the first time, what do they start with? yup, Naruto. now you know why.

[Bullza]

Naruto far surpasses Dragon Ball

That's like saying Transformers 2 far surpasses Twilight. Doesn't say much at all, really.

Yeah yeah we get your gimmick, you don't have to try that hard.

[TheGmGoken]

Also Dbzguy. Answer this

What year you gained the internet? I'm curious because I've never seen as much hate for Dbz as you imply. I used to lurk on any forum I could find so please tell me. Where are these haters. I see less hate for Dbz than Naruto. The fact you ever insulted people for liking Dbz is horrible. The amount of Hate Dbz get is about the Same as any other Anime. What makes your opinion so much higher than ours?

[thatdbzguy]

I've seen more hate with Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece.

That's probably because those manga/anime are still going, while DBZ ended years ago.

[TheGmGoken]

I've seen more hate with Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece.

That's probably because those manga/anime are still going, while DBZ ended years ago.

I recall you saying that Dbz got more hate. Now you agreeing with me. .

[Bullza]

Few Naruto characters ever manage to matter at all beyond Naruto and Sasuke

Kakashi, Gaara, Tsunade, Jiraiya, Shikamaru etc have all "mattered". It's far more than in Dragon Ball where it's all about Goku and partly Gohan who later on became just as useless as the other background characters.

Bleach and Toriko are far better than Naruto

LOL You've either not read Naruto or not read Bleach if you think that's remotely close to being on the same level as Naruto. Bleach is a complete of a series that should have ended years ago, the main character has appeared barely a handful of times in his own manga this year.

If you don't think Naruto's any good fine but you're deluding yourself if you think Bleach is better than it.

[TheGmGoken]

Few Naruto characters ever manage to matter at all beyond Naruto and Sasuke

Kakashi, Gaara, Tsunade, Jiraiya, Shikamaru etc have all "mattered". It's far more than in Dragon Ball where it's all about Goku and partly Gohan who later on became just as useless as the other background characters.

Bleach and Toriko are far better than Naruto

LOL You've either not read Naruto or not read Bleach if you think that's remotely close to being on the same level as Naruto. Bleach is a complete of a series that should have ended years ago, the main character has appeared barely a handful of times in his own manga this year.

If you don't think Naruto's any good fine but you're deluding yourself if you think Bleach is better than it.

I read both Bleach and Naruto and they're tied evenly. Dead even. I'm not fond of the "You must have not read" if they clearly did. Bringing this back.

What if Osamu Tezuka, Daisuke Satō, Rikdo Koshi, or Digital Accel Works wrote Db.

[Bullza]

I read both Bleach and Naruto and they're tied evenly.

No. No they aren't in anyway at all.

Bleach hasn't got anything going for it anymore. It went downhill big time after the Soul Society and became completely worthless after the Aizen arc.

The fights are utterly terrible and play out like a RPG game, the villains are awful and just randomly show up so the Captain can show off their powers, there's no plot anymore but months now it's just been a Captain fighting some Quincy for 4 or 5 chapters at a time, Ichigo hardly ever shows up in the series now, chapters are poorly paced and can be read in 2 minutes which only drags everything out, the artwork is becoming lazier, the humour has gone and so much more.

They don't compare.

[Gyt Kaliba]

...Can we seriously not have a thread talking even remotely about other franchise's authors and how they would do things, without it turning into people literally taking a dump all over others for their opinions on what media they like. Good freaking lord this is disappointing.

[Mewzard]

Few Naruto characters ever manage to matter at all beyond Naruto and Sasuke

Kakashi, Gaara, Tsunade, Jiraiya, Shikamaru etc have all "mattered". It's far more than in Dragon Ball where it's all about Goku and partly Gohan who later on became just as useless as the other background characters.

Bleach and Toriko are far better than Naruto

LOL You've either not read Naruto or not read Bleach if you think that's remotely close to being on the same level as Naruto. Bleach is a complete of a series that should have ended years ago, the main character has appeared barely a handful of times in his own manga this year.

If you don't think Naruto's any good fine but you're deluding yourself if you think Bleach is better than it.

I was just noting in response to the fact that many characters matter, when it's so rarely the case.

Also, I have followed both Naruto and Bleach since their beginnings. I can enjoy Bleach far more than Naruto (even though I do admit it's not very good, it just has some amusing moments here and there).

Also, Ichigo is back in the manga, so that's not an issue (even if it was, Ichigo being away gave several characters a chance to shine, something you critiqued Dragon Ball for).

What if Osamu Tezuka, Daisuke Satō, Rikdo Koshi, or Digital Accel Works wrote Db.

Oh, Osamu Tezuka would be amazing for DB. Tezuka is easily my favorite mangaka. I've gotten nearly 30 volumes of his work, and still want more. The man earned his title as "The God of Manga". He knew how to make a good series.

[TheGmGoken]

I read both Bleach and Naruto and they're tied evenly.

No. No they aren't in anyway at all.

Bleach hasn't got anything going for it anymore. It went downhill big time after the Soul Society and became completely worthless after the Aizen arc.

The fights are utterly terrible and play out like a RPG game, the villains are awful and just randomly show up so the Captain can show off their powers, there's no plot anymore but months now it's just been a Captain fighting some Quincy for 4 or 5 chapters at a time, Ichigo hardly ever shows up in the series now, chapters are poorly paced and can be read in 2 minutes which only drags everything out, the artwork is becoming lazier, the humour has gone and so much more.

They don't compare.

That's your opinion and I respect that. But Naruto because boring during part 2 and sometimes() relay on flashbacks. Hell I'll admit Bleach is boring but Naruto had so much going it that was awesome and sank down pretty quick which makes it tied. See my opinion. If you don't respect it at least respect thay i respect your opinion

[thatdbzguy]

I've seen more hate with Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece.

That's probably because those manga/anime are still going, while DBZ ended years ago.

I recall you saying that Dbz got more hate. Now you agreeing with me. .

No, I meant that the reason you see more hate is probably because DBZ isn't on-going like the others are.

Naruto had so much going it that was awesome and sank down pretty quick

Same thing happened with Dragon Ball when we got to Z, yet I don't see you upset about that.

[B]

Naruto's a little dragged out at the moment but overall it's a far better manga than Dragon Ball as is One Piece.

The vast majority of the Naruto cast is uninteresting. Absolutely no idea where this is coming from.

If Kishimoto wrote Dragon Ball, everything would be needlessly convoluted under the guise of depth. DB is very open about its simplicity.

Which is why Naruto is better. Dragon Ball is pretty the same old throughout, there's hardly any depth, all the fights in DBZ are pretty much the same thing there's no variety, it follows the same formula over and over, character relationships get no attention, there's no surprise twists, it doesn't matter when characters are killed off because they just come back etc.

Naruto has the vastly superior story, it's fights aren't all exactly the same and the one with the bigger power level wins, the settings are far more interesting and not 90% wastelands, it's characters aren't as likable but they have depth and back stories, it's characters don't all become useless because their power levels are lacking.

Naruto and One Piece far surpass Dragon Ball, though it is in turn much better than other series like Bleach and Toriko.

That's the entire appeal and trick of the thing, though. Dragon Ball lacking depth inherently gives it depth, because we're almost forced to insert something ourselves. Naruto lays everything down for you, and how that gets perceived is at a much higher risk of losing entertainment value. What if I don't like Nagato's dumb backstory? There's nothing I can really do about it. Characters don't just "come back" in DB, but people are going to be saying that until time ends, so no point in regurgitating that. I will point out, however, that Naruto infamously pulled a similar trick with absolutely less forethought than DB.

I don't see how the story is "vastly superior" either. Like I said before, it's a lot of complexities that amount to nothing. Same for the "interesting" fights and landscapes. After a certain point these things stopped telling the audience anything interesting about the cast or gives a real reason to care about what's going on. Everyone calls the fights in DB "mindless" but in Naruto, it's just a lot of smoke and mirrors to distract that these aren't people so much as they're battle machines. Ten different storylines going on at once is complex, but it's not "deep" in any sense of the word.

[TheGmGoken]

Ok I'm done with this. Not dealing with the repeated "Dbz writing sucks. Only reason people watch is nostalgia or aren't anime fans". I'm just done. You win. Hope you happy you gotten a reaction,

Oh, Osamu Tezuka would be amazing for DB. Tezuka is easily my favorite mangaka. I've gotten nearly 30 volumes of his work, and still want more. The man earned his title as "The God of Manga". He knew how to make a good series.
RIDER KIIIIIIICK!

I know right. Amazing job he's done. How about the other writers.

[FrogTrigger]

Yooo Tezuka would be awesome

I kinda wish he could've drawn a Goku for everybody


Yasuhiro Nightow's take on DB would be fun to see too, especially for his rendition of Piccolo but in definitely in the camp for a Watsuko styled DB piece of art

[thatdbzguy]

That's the entire appeal and trick of the thing, though. Dragon Ball lacking depth inherently gives it depth, because we're almost forced to insert something ourselves.

If something is so braindead simple that the audience has to do the creator's job for them by adding depth to the story and characters, that's a blatant sign of lazy writing.

[B]

That's the entire appeal and trick of the thing, though. Dragon Ball lacking depth inherently gives it depth, because we're almost forced to insert something ourselves.

If something is so braindead simple that the audience has to do the creator's job for them by adding depth to the story and characters, that's a blatant sign of lazy writing.

My point was that sometimes less is more. I don't need everyone's sob story. We get just enough of every character.

[Bullza]

I read both Bleach and Naruto and they're tied evenly.

No. No they aren't in anyway at all.

Bleach hasn't got anything going for it anymore. It went downhill big time after the Soul Society and became completely worthless after the Aizen arc.

The fights are utterly terrible and play out like a RPG game, the villains are awful and just randomly show up so the Captain can show off their powers, there's no plot anymore but months now it's just been a Captain fighting some Quincy for 4 or 5 chapters at a time, Ichigo hardly ever shows up in the series now, chapters are poorly paced and can be read in 2 minutes which only drags everything out, the artwork is becoming lazier, the humour has gone and so much more.

They don't compare.

That's your opinion and I respect that. But Naruto because boring during part 2 and sometimes() relay on flashbacks. Hell I'll admit Bleach is boring but Naruto had so much going it that was awesome and sank down pretty quick which makes it tied. See my opinion. If you don't respect it at least respect thay i respect your opinion

There were are lot of good moments in Part 2, the Kakuzu arc, the Pain arc, the Kage Summit arc, the Minato flashback, a lot of fights have been very good, it's introduced a lot of good characters.

Bleach had nothing worthwhile for many years, the arc directly after the Soul Society arc was literally a retread of that arc, from the time Ichigo fought Grimmjow to fighting Aizen was constant fight after fight. Bleach's biggest problem is that it spends too much time on characters that are barely secondary characters. Before we saw Ichigo fight Aizen we had to see Aizen fight a bunch of other characters but before that we had to see the Espada fight the Captains but before THAT we had to see some random arrancars fight the other soul reapers. After all that the fight was only a disappointment anyway.

The plot moves at a snails pace for the past 8 months the series has consisted of Captains fighting Quincy that were introduced just to fight them and Ichigo has travelled down a long staircase. That is all that's happened since last October. It's taken 8 months to do what could have easily have been in 2 months at the very most.