SSJ-God increases life-span?

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SSJ-God increases life-span?

Post by Low Tone G » Sat May 31, 2014 5:20 pm

Granted Goku is permanent God now. Being a God Goku's life-span is longer now? Whis offered Goku the job of God of Destruction after Beerus's death. Beerus didn't seem to be as old to die soon, does that mean that type of God like Beerus, SSJ-God and Whis are have a very long life-span? Does the Godly KI do anyting with the life-span?
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Re: SSJ-God increases life-span?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat May 31, 2014 5:22 pm

Low Tone G wrote:Granted Goku is permanent now. Being a God Goku's life-span is longer now? Whis offered Goku the job of God of Destruction after Beerus's death. Beerus didn't seem to be as old to die soon, does that mean that type of God like Beerus, SSJ-God and Whis are have a very long life-span? Does the Godly KI do anyting with the life-span?
I doubt it. Kami seemed to think that he could possibly die of old age in the Saiyan Arc, and he's the only other "mortal who became a god" who discusses life span in the series.
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Re: SSJ-God increases life-span?

Post by Cetra » Sat May 31, 2014 5:23 pm

I don't think Super Saiyajin God makes Goku an immortal/live long. I think being made Beerus successor would make him immortal.
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Re: SSJ-God increases life-span?

Post by Low Tone G » Sat May 31, 2014 5:31 pm

Cetra wrote:I don't think Super Saiyajin God makes Goku an immortal/live long. I think being made Beerus successor would make him immortal.
But Beerus surely has some hundred years to live at least, and Goku's life-span at best is 150(or possibly only 100-120) years being a saiyan, and has longer natural life-span than humans. Or if Goku said yes then in that case Whis would grant him long-life?
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Re: SSJ-God increases life-span?

Post by Cetra » Sat May 31, 2014 5:34 pm

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Cetra wrote:I don't think Super Saiyajin God makes Goku an immortal/live long. I think being made Beerus successor would make him immortal.
But Beerus surely has some hundred years to live at least, and Goku's life-span at best is 150(or possibly only 100-120) years being a saiyan, and has longer natural life-span than humans. Or if Goku said yes then in that case Whis would grant him long-life?
I think Beerus and Goku can't be compared. Beerus is millions of years old - according to the change of things were he sealed the Kaioshin away - either that is because of Beerus's race or because of him being a god. Or both. If anything Goku would live longer because of that - if he is lucky - but Super Saiyajin God itself will not give him millions of years to live. As you said, it is probably Whis or maybe Beerus himself who can grant a longer life to the "new deity" which is basically what I meant with becoming a God of Destruction would probably give him a longer life but not te other state.
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Re: SSJ-God increases life-span?

Post by Darkprince410 » Sun Jun 01, 2014 1:28 am

Low Tone G wrote:
Cetra wrote:I don't think Super Saiyajin God makes Goku an immortal/live long. I think being made Beerus successor would make him immortal.
But Beerus surely has some hundred years to live at least, and Goku's life-span at best is 150(or possibly only 100-120) years being a saiyan, and has longer natural life-span than humans. Or if Goku said yes then in that case Whis would grant him long-life?
Saiya-jin don't have longer natural lifespans than humans do. Their lifespans are basically the same as normal humans, just that they age slower than humans do up to a point, then age far more rapidly than humans do after they reach that point.

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Re: SSJ-God increases life-span?

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:18 am

Darkprince410 wrote:Saiya-jin don't have longer natural lifespans than humans do. Their lifespans are basically the same as normal humans, just that they age slower than humans do up to a point, then age far more rapidly than humans do after they reach that point.
No. It depends on the information source you look at. There are tidbits, including both old and recent ones from Toriyama that say that Saiyans do live a little longer than humans (in addition to the extended youth), they just have a shorter average lifespan since most of them die in combat.
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Re: SSJ-God increases life-span?

Post by Low Tone G » Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:02 am

AT said that Beerus is ONE of Gods of destruction even if he is old, so it's safe to assume he was an alien made God afterwards. I do not think any lower beings, who Beerus used to be too, can live millions years on his own. The only known race who had a relative long life-span were the Nameks, but they can live several 1000 years at most.

I count on two possibilities:

1.Beerus was granted Godly Ki and got long life-span, from Whis, or previous attendant
2. Beerus was granted Godly Ki and the that Ki was permanent and made him to be immortal(long life)
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Re: SSJ-God increases life-span?

Post by Darkprince410 » Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:53 am

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Darkprince410 wrote:Saiya-jin don't have longer natural lifespans than humans do. Their lifespans are basically the same as normal humans, just that they age slower than humans do up to a point, then age far more rapidly than humans do after they reach that point.
No. It depends on the information source you look at. There are tidbits, including both old and recent ones from Toriyama that say that Saiyans do live a little longer than humans (in addition to the extended youth), they just have a shorter average lifespan since most of them die in combat.
Well, the way I took it, it's not that they really had any notable difference in their age (few years here and there, but nothing substantial). Like if the average life expectancy for a human was 70, a Saiya-jin's might be 80 or something like that. I saw the wording to suggest that it wasn't meant to be a substantial difference, but more along the lines of, "While they don't live to be that much older than humans, they age very slowly for most of their life to stay in their prime longer, and then age very quickly towards the end of their natural life".

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Re: SSJ-God increases life-span?

Post by Low Tone G » Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:25 am

Darkprince410 wrote:
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Darkprince410 wrote:Saiya-jin don't have longer natural lifespans than humans do. Their lifespans are basically the same as normal humans, just that they age slower than humans do up to a point, then age far more rapidly than humans do after they reach that point.
No. It depends on the information source you look at. There are tidbits, including both old and recent ones from Toriyama that say that Saiyans do live a little longer than humans (in addition to the extended youth), they just have a shorter average lifespan since most of them die in combat.
Well, the way I took it, it's not that they really had any notable difference in their age (few years here and there, but nothing substantial). Like if the average life expectancy for a human was 70, a Saiya-jin's might be 80 or something like that. I saw the wording to suggest that it wasn't meant to be a substantial difference, but more along the lines of, "While they don't live to be that much older than humans, they age very slowly for most of their life to stay in their prime longer, and then age very quickly towards the end of their natural life".
This is Toriyama's recent statement about saiyans' natural lifespan:
It was written that Saiyans have a long youth3, but how long is their lifespan on average?

Their [natural] lifespan in itself is longer than humans’, but since they are a warrior race, many of them die in battle, and their average lifespan isn’t all that long.
I don't know the eralier stamtement belongs also to him, but this information is from March 2014. He only says that their lifespan is longer, but he doesn't say how much longer than of humans, so we can argue both that slightly or significantly longer. Their average lifespan is about the same with humans as they die in battle. So they can die very young 30-40 years, but some of them die of old age -example 150- so the average can be like (150+30)/2=90, and this age is very close to Japenese people lifespan which is 85 years.
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Re: SSJ-God increases life-span?

Post by Marco Polo » Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:53 am

Going Super Saiyan God doesn't make you a literal God... It's just a name/an analogy.

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Re: SSJ-God increases life-span?

Post by Darkprince410 » Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:35 am

Low Tone G wrote: This is Toriyama's recent statement about saiyans' natural lifespan:
It was written that Saiyans have a long youth3, but how long is their lifespan on average?

Their [natural] lifespan in itself is longer than humans’, but since they are a warrior race, many of them die in battle, and their average lifespan isn’t all that long.
I don't know the eralier stamtement belongs also to him, but this information is from March 2014. He only says that their lifespan is longer, but he doesn't say how much longer than of humans, so we can argue both that slightly or significantly longer. Their average lifespan is about the same with humans as they die in battle. So they can die very young 30-40 years, but some of them die of old age -example 150- so the average can be like (150+30)/2=90, and this age is very close to Japenese people lifespan which is 85 years.
This was what the Daizenshuu listed in regard to Saiya-jin aging.
In order to fight, their youth is long.
In order to win in battle, they have evolved to have a long youth, when physical strength is greatest. Their lifespan is about the same as that of an Earthling.
Nothing specifically saying whether it's a natural lifespan or not, but since there's no distinction made, and it's laying out that they've evolved to have a longer youth so they can remain in their prime longer, I'm sooner believing that the statement was meant to be natural life for Saiya-jin compared to natural life for Earthlings. Even seeing the new statement as an update on the old, I wouldn't imagine that their lifespan would be a considerable amount more than a human's, maybe 10 years or so.

Toriyama's statement about their average lifespan being quite a bit less than their natural lifespan I see as being rather analogous to the Klingons from Star Trek. Klingons could live to over 150 years old, which was, for that time period, an age not far off from what humans were capable of (144 years old was the oldest canon age for any "non-immortal" human in the franchise). However, because they were a warrior race, Klingons often did not grow to be that old. Part of that stems from the fact that, for a Klingon, dying in battle was one of the greatest honors they could do to themselves and their family, but it remains that due to their warrior life, Klingons rarely grew to be that old, which is how I feel it is with the Saiya-jin as well. They could live to be a bit older than humans, but because they're a warrior race, they often would die at a far younger age.

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Re: SSJ-God increases life-span?

Post by Low Tone G » Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:02 am

In other interview AT said that most of saiyans were low-class, and only about 10 are middle-class, so it could mean that if many of them are weak, almost 95% of the saiyan population can risk to die at a very young age. So the average can be reduced significantly. We could see Bardock wasn't even 40 years when he died against Freeza(I know it's not a good reference, but still), their way of life doesn't grant any high life expectancies. And who were lucky and strong enough can live much longer.

It there can be a logic that Toriyama intended to make saiyans durable to time's passing, but their way of life didn't make them a race with longer life-span, so Goku and Vegeta can live long as they have the chance to grow old.
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Re: SSJ-God increases life-span?

Post by DieHard » Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:48 am

Kami is a god but he could die of old age like a normal namekian.So the kaioshin or beerus can live that long because of whatever species they are,not because they are gods.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:05 am

Marco Polo wrote:Going Super Saiyan God doesn't make you a literal God... It's just a name/an analogy.
No, Goku literally became a god now. He has, and can sense, godly ki, and Super Saiyan God is also called "God of the Saiyans" in promotional stuff.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: SSJ-God increases life-span?

Post by Low Tone G » Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:17 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Marco Polo wrote:Going Super Saiyan God doesn't make you a literal God... It's just a name/an analogy.
No, Goku literally became a god now. He has, and can sense, godly ki, and Super Saiyan God is also called "God of the Saiyans" in promotional stuff.
As Goku is a literal God it's difficult to state even if he has Godly Ki. Toriyama mentioned in an interview that the God attributive it's a bit exaggeration, but granted Goku could sense Beerus after the ritual and also in Godly powered Super Saiyan state, we can count Goku a God like Beerus is, if he is one, but there's no doubt Beerus is because we don't know any other higher beings save for Akira Toriyama himself. :P
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Re: SSJ-God increases life-span?

Post by silk » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:16 am

The elder kai gave Goku his remaining life, wouldn't that mean Goku already has a long life?

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Post by NitroEX » Sat Jun 07, 2014 2:54 am

I always thought the Elder Kair giving Goku his life should have given him more years than the average saiyan. Kais live for a much longer time than mortals so his perspective his remaining years could have easily been different to what Goku expected to get.

I don't believe we know how long Goku lives after the Buu arc so it's still a possibility that he lived for a hundred years or so but I think they've long forgotten about it.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Jun 07, 2014 3:50 am

silk wrote:The elder kai gave Goku his remaining life, wouldn't that mean Goku already has a long life?
Nope. Goku's life spawn was normal according to DBO.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Sat Jun 07, 2014 3:58 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
silk wrote:The elder kai gave Goku his remaining life, wouldn't that mean Goku already has a long life?
Nope. Goku's life spawn was normal according to DBO.
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I don't think Goku got a longer life as I don't think Toriyama pictured Goku living for hundreds of extra years. Even though I'd think logically he would, but I guess the life span is converted to Saiyan years perhaps.
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