If a different mangaka wrote Dragon Ball

[Kamiccolo9]

Dragon Ball doesn't have this going for it, characters die to progress the story in a way that most times could still happen without that dying. It holds the story back when you know that they'll come back and that what's currently happening doesn't really matter.

Buu wiping out everyone on earth is not the same as if Madara were to do it because you know in Dragon Ball they can just be brought back which lessens the sense of peril. At one point Piccolo even told Buu to go kill the rest of the humans just to buy them some time, but don't worry we'll just bring them back afterwards.

It seems you can't really explain your point beyond "death doesn't matter" because I don't see how "peril" is lessened. There's the threat that Goku might lose; that no one may be able to defeat the villain. Of course what's currently happening matters because if everyone dies, who is going to bring who back?

And you can't really fault the final arc of the story for engaging in that type of parody.

Also, if everyone dies, who is there to bring everyone back?

[TheGmGoken]

If Takahiro Yamato wrote Db it would focus on Vegeta and his relationship with Bulma after he turns good. Goku would be side chararcter and King Vegeta would live

[Bullza]

There's very little peril because you know the bad guy will never win in the first place and due to the Dragon Balls anything that the bad guy does will only be reverted. Likewise in Naruto you know he will beat Nagato but that's not going to bring Jiraiya back and it's not going to bring the village back.

With the whole Frieza scenario after everything he did and all those he killed, in the end the only loss was that the original Namek was gone. Cell left no real lasting repercussions aside from Goku staying down for a few years of his own accord.

Buu wreaked havoc, wiped out humanity, destroyed Earth, killed several main characters and by the same day he was defeated the world was back, everyone he killed was back and nobody could even remember Buu. The only loss was Elder Kai dying and he just popped back up.

[TheGmGoken]

So are we ever going to talk about what if other mangw writer wrote db. Or are we going to debate naruto and db.?

[thatdbzguy]

So are we ever going to talk about what if other mangw writer wrote db. Or are we going to debate naruto and db.?

I could just go ahead and make a DBZ vs Naruto thread so this one can get back on track, but I doubt VegettoEX would keep that open.

[Kamiccolo9]

So are we ever going to talk about what if other mangw writer wrote db. Or are we going to debate naruto and db.?

I'm going back to Watsuki, because I have to live up to my self-proclaimed title
I'd love to see some Watsuki-designed fight scenes.

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[TheGmGoken]

If Kazuki Nakashima(creator of TTGL) made Db it would easily become the greatest series ever

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There's very little peril because you know the bad guy will never win in the first place and due to the Dragon Balls anything that the bad guy does will only be reverted. Likewise in Naruto you know he will beat Nagato but that's not going to bring Jiraiya back and it's not going to bring the village back.

With the whole Freeza scenario after everything he did and all those he killed, in the end the only loss was that the original Namek was gone. Cell left no real lasting repercussions aside from Goku staying down for a few years of his own accord.

Buu wreaked havoc, wiped out humanity, destroyed Earth, killed several main characters and by the same day he was defeated the world was back, everyone he killed was back and nobody could even remember Buu. The only loss was Elder Kai dying and he just popped back up.

Well damn, why didn't you just say you didn't want Dragon Ball to be Dragon Ball? That would have saved a lot of time.

Also, I defend my posting as stemming from the ridiculous idea that Masashi Kishimoto would improve DB in any way. No offense to those doing this, but I don't see the discussion value in taking another author's work, describing its tropes and clichés, but replacing the characters' names with the DB cast. And then in the next post, doing it again.

[Super Sonic]

With the stuff talking about death, I'm guessing a lot of you guys don't read American comics where the joke is "No one dies for real except Uncle Ben, Gwen Stacy and Aquaman Jr." Red Skull and Joker were originally supposed to buy it in their initial appearances, but were liked so much they didn't. (Joker was taken to hospital in nick of time, and Skull wasn't Schmidt, but a guy he was using as a puppet)

[Kamiccolo9]

With the stuff talking about death, I'm guessing a lot of you guys don't read American comics where the joke is "No one dies for real except Uncle Ben, Gwen Stacy and Aquaman Jr." Red Skull and Joker were originally supposed to buy it in their initial appearances, but were liked so much they didn't. (Joker was taken to hospital in nick of time, and Skull wasn't Schmidt, but a guy he was using as a puppet)

Please, I remember when it was Ben, Jason Todd, and Bucky. Those were the days....

No offense to those doing this, but I don't see the discussion value in taking another author's work, describing its tropes and clichés, but replacing the characters' names with the DB cast. And then in the next post, doing it again.

Same. Although I think it would be a much more interesting thread if we were to shift from the writing to the artwork. But that's just my opinion.

[Super Sonic]

With the stuff talking about death, I'm guessing a lot of you guys don't read American comics where the joke is "No one dies for real except Uncle Ben, Gwen Stacy and Aquaman Jr." Red Skull and Joker were originally supposed to buy it in their initial appearances, but were liked so much they didn't. (Joker was taken to hospital in nick of time, and Skull wasn't Schmidt, but a guy he was using as a puppet)

Please, I remember when it was Ben, Jason Todd, and Bucky. Those were the days....

As do I. And I think Mr. Todd should've stayed dead. (Used to think with Bucky too, but while I was hoping they wouldn't do it, did like the Winter Soldier movie so...)

Back on topic, know a few folks like Walter Simonson, so maybe if he did something would be cool. Also think if Namek was done by the Filmation artists from He-Man, it would've looked cool with nice backgrounds. (Not moving, but hence why I only mentioned the planet and not characters).

[TheGmGoken]

With the stuff talking about death, I'm guessing a lot of you guys don't read American comics where the joke is "No one dies for real except Uncle Ben, Gwen Stacy and Aquaman Jr." Red Skull and Joker were originally supposed to buy it in their initial appearances, but were liked so much they didn't. (Joker was taken to hospital in nick of time, and Skull wasn't Schmidt, but a guy he was using as a puppet)

As a Spiderman fanboy even Gwen didn't stay away. I think she had 3 clones

[Kamiccolo9]

With the stuff talking about death, I'm guessing a lot of you guys don't read American comics where the joke is "No one dies for real except Uncle Ben, Gwen Stacy and Aquaman Jr." Red Skull and Joker were originally supposed to buy it in their initial appearances, but were liked so much they didn't. (Joker was taken to hospital in nick of time, and Skull wasn't Schmidt, but a guy he was using as a puppet)

As a Spiderman fanboy even Gwen didn't stay away. I think she had 3 clones

Gwen had one clone, who later was retconned to not be a clone, but a virus that had taken the form of a Gwen Stacy clone, and then retconned back to being a clone, who hasn't been seen since the late 80's, if I remember correctly.

She also had twins with the Green Goblin, including a daughter that looked just like her, who haven't been seen since they were introduced in the mid 2000's, unless I've missed something.

I've got to stop this. Way too much comic nerding over the last few days


Kental, I don't suppose you have any Watsuki-styled DB fanart?

[KentalSSJ6]

With the stuff talking about death, I'm guessing a lot of you guys don't read American comics where the joke is "No one dies for real except Uncle Ben, Gwen Stacy and Aquaman Jr." Red Skull and Joker were originally supposed to buy it in their initial appearances, but were liked so much they didn't. (Joker was taken to hospital in nick of time, and Skull wasn't Schmidt, but a guy he was using as a puppet)

As a Spiderman fanboy even Gwen didn't stay away. I think she had 3 clones

Gwen had one clone, who later was retconned to not be a clone, but a virus that had taken the form of a Gwen Stacy clone, and then retconned back to being a clone, who hasn't been seen since the late 80's, if I remember correctly.

She also had twins with the Green Goblin, including a daughter that looked just like her, who haven't been seen since they were introduced in the mid 2000's, unless I've missed something.

I've got to stop this. Way too much comic nerding over the last few days


Kental, I don't suppose you have any Watsuki-styled DB fanart?

No such art exists as far as I've seen and I've looked, believe me.

[TheGmGoken]

She also had twins with the Green Goblin, including a daughter that looked just like her, who haven't been seen since they were introduced in the mid 2000's, unless I've missed something

I believe the writers all said they hated that storyline and recton it. Aka pretend it never happen

[Bullza]

Well damn, why didn't you just say you didn't want Dragon Ball to be Dragon Ball?

I don't really mind the way DBZ did what it did otherwise I wouldn't be here, it's just why it's not better than Naruto.

Naruto has the better story, settings, development, artwork, fights, development, twists and variety than Dragon Ball.

One Piece >= Naruto > Dragon Ball >> Bleach >= Fairy Tail

[Kamiccolo9]

She also had twins with the Green Goblin, including a daughter that looked just like her, who haven't been seen since they were introduced in the mid 2000's, unless I've missed something

I believe the writers all said they hated that storyline and recton it. Aka pretend it never happen

As far as I know, nothing was ever said about retconning it, unless it fell under the black spell of Brand New Day.
This is really off topic.

[TheGmGoken]

She also had twins with the Green Goblin, including a daughter that looked just like her, who haven't been seen since they were introduced in the mid 2000's, unless I've missed something

I believe the writers all said they hated that storyline and recton it. Aka pretend it never happen

As far as I know, nothing was ever said about retconning it, unless it fell under the black spell of Brand New Day.
This is really off topic.

There an interview I believe when they said they pretend it never happen and they hate it. So I do the same

[rereboy]

On the subject of Naruto vs DBZ, I'm sorry, but Naruto is infinitely better. The characters are more complex and not as black and white as DBZ's, the plots are more creative, the fights are significantly more varied, etc.

Even if Naruto isn't doing so good now, it's still miles ahead of DBZ.

Please don't make me laugh... Naruto was good at the beginning and had the potential to be better than Dragon Ball but quickly fell flat on its face and overall is much, much worse than Dragon Ball.

Even if Naruto isn't as good as it used to be, my reasons for it still being better than DBZ still stand. DBZ is just too braindead and unvariable.

No, they do not. Naruto only had the potential, and it bombed. Hard. Dragon Ball delivered overall.

[thatdbzguy]

No, they do not. Naruto only had the potential, and it bombed. Hard. Dragon Ball delivered overall.

Like Bullza said, Naruto has the better story, settings, artwork, fights, development, twists and variety. Even if it's not as good as it used to be, that much still stands.