If a different mangaka wrote Dragon Ball

[TheGmGoken]

What if Toriyama wife wrote Db.

[Mewzard]

How about some indie love? Imagine if Eastman and Laird did Dragonball, ala TMNT (which came out the same year Dragon Ball did):



It would certainly be a different style, but I wouldn't mind seeing Goku run around New York, fighting gangs, Ninjas, aliens, etc.

No, they do not. Naruto only had the potential, and it bombed. Hard. Dragon Ball delivered overall.

Like Bullza said, Naruto has the better story, settings, artwork, fights, development, twists and variety. Even if it's not as good as it used to be, that much still stands.

Except it's not, it's terrible. Not just compared to Dragon Ball, but it's bad when compared to many of its contemporaries. It's an overrated, badly written, pretentious piece of crap.

Rereboy is right. It did have potential, and boy did it bomb hard. Just an awful series.

[thatdbzguy]

Except it's not, it's terrible. Not just compared to Dragon Ball, but it's bad when compared to many of its contemporaries. It's an overrated, badly written, pretentious piece of crap.

Rereboy is right. It did have potential, and boy did it bomb hard. Just an awful series.

How is it any worse than DBZ when the fights are more varied, the settings aren't just barren wastelands, the characters aren't as black and white, and the story at least tries to be more than "bad guy shows up, let's beat him"?

[dodge2461]

Can we do western writers too?

Anyway, if Frank Miller(The Dark Knight Returns, Batman: Year One) wrote Dragon Ball, it'd be amazing, until some point in the Z era where shenlong screams "I'm the goddamn dragon!"

[Wibbs]

What if Toriyama wife wrote Db.

Does anyone know what Toriyama's wife wrote? I'd really like to know what her style looks like.

[FrogTrigger]

Can we do western writers too?

Anyway, if Frank Miller(The Dark Knight Returns, Batman: Year One) wrote Dragon Ball, it'd be amazing, until some point in the Z era where shenlong screams "I'm the goddamn dragon!"

No no no you're thinking too small

Miller would have the dragon yell that right before King Piccolo blasted it to pieces

He's funny like that

Laird and Eastman could make a creepy ass Buu

While he's hella busy nowadays I think Jim Lee could draw an awesome fight scene DBZ style

Him or John Cassaday from Planetary. In it a character (jakita Wagner) basically fights giant monster's for kicks like Kid Goku and even tears one up in the comic barehanded

[ABED]

Frank Miller is overrated, and Bulma would probably be a prostitute if he wrote it. I especially don't want him drawing it, wow is he a terrible artist.

[rereboy]

Except it's not, it's terrible. Not just compared to Dragon Ball, but it's bad when compared to many of its contemporaries. It's an overrated, badly written, pretentious piece of crap.

Rereboy is right. It did have potential, and boy did it bomb hard. Just an awful series.

How is it any worse than DBZ when the fights are more varied, the settings aren't just barren wastelands, the characters aren't as black and white, and the story at least tries to be more than "bad guy shows up, let's beat him"?

Because overall the fights aren't more varied (the only interesting ones were at the beginning), the settings aren't more interesting (there was only interesting variety in the beginning), the characters are not more interesting (they only had the potential to be but they proved as they were developed to suck royally) and the story has become so bad that it wishes it was Dragon Ball, destroying its potential.

[FrogTrigger]

With the stuff talking about death, I'm guessing a lot of you guys don't read American comics where the joke is "No one dies for real except Uncle Ben, Gwen Stacy and Aquaman Jr." Red Skull and Joker were originally supposed to buy it in their initial appearances, but were liked so much they didn't. (Joker was taken to hospital in nick of time, and Skull wasn't Schmidt, but a guy he was using as a puppet)

Skull died a few times

Plus DB remembers their plot devices more often than American comics

I honestly think if Kirby drew DB the supreme Kais would be armored up a bit more and their esoteric abilities played with, same with Piccolo. I'd be interested to see if he treated the whole Saiyan rage thing with a different stroke or keep it the same. Orion had rage issues when he let his power get out of control and that was his thing, learning how to control his rage to be a better warrior. I could see him doing the same thing with Gohan or someone. Each chapter would have a lot of punctuation too but that's not much different Hana.

That and Vegeta has a lot in common with Namor

[dodge2461]

Frank Miller is overrated, and Bulma would probably be a prostitute if he wrote it. I especially don't want him drawing it, wow is he a terrible artist.

Eh... Miller's art is fine in my eyes, except when he moved over to digital. Look at some of the art from The Dark Knight Strikes again. It's truly horrible.

Anyway, if Alan Moore (Watchmen, Batman: The Killing Joke) wrote Dragon Ball, Piccolo would be dating Bulma, he'd be naked most of the time, Vegeta would be looking for the person who killed Roshi, and Yamucha would be a sellout.

[FrogTrigger]

Frank Miller is overrated, and Bulma would probably be a prostitute if he wrote it. I especially don't want him drawing it, wow is he a terrible artist.

Eh... Miller's art is fine in my eyes, except when he moved over to digital. Look at some of the art from The Dark Knight Strikes again. It's truly horrible.

Anyway, if Alan Moore (Watchmen, Batman: The Killing Joke) wrote Dragon Ball, Piccolo would be dating Bulma, he'd be naked most of the time, Vegeta would be looking for the person who killed Roshi, and Yamucha would be a sellout.

Naw I don't think Moore would do Goku and co like that, I mean he really likes comics. If you paired him with like Dave Gibbons or Chris Spouse Piccolo would ALWAYS look sinister and I think he could really get Vegeta's voice down pat. The guy basically wrote a heroic alien warrior in Mister Majestic, though I'm pretty sure Vegeta wouldn't spend 100 years being celibate or doing it his whole time on Earth

Android 18 might sound more punk rock though

[TheGmGoken]

What if Toriyama wife wrote Db.

Does anyone know what Toriyama's wife wrote? I'd really like to know what her style looks like.

I'm curious bout this too. Wonder if anyone can show us

[helsinkirocks]

Dragon Ball Z by Yoshihiro Togashi

1.) The artwork would be extremely lazy and put on hiatus a lot.

The art in the newest chapter (341) that ended the hiatus, is actually surprisingly well done!


I assume he takes hiatuses to avoid "weekly schedules", he probably just works on the the manga at his leisure, doing big batches of chapters (40 - 50? maybe more?), and then his "return" is just Jump publishing the chapters he's provided them until they run out, thus beginning the "hiatus" cycle again.

[Daimo-Rukiri]

If Masashi Kishimoto wrote DB, every character would have a tragic sob story as their backstory, and would have a lot of flashbacks

I really hate flashbacks and while it's useful in a story, there is just too much of them in Naruto and several chapters to go along with it and it'll be weeks before you get anywhere...

If someone else wrote Dragon Ball it'd be completely different, Goku may not be an alien, a martial artist, or whatever it'd be a completely different story. And also many of the inspirations Dragon Ball had on others would also change their aspects on their stories, Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, and others actually could be different. We should ask Trunks how this would pan out

[DonZ]

To be fair, even most of those "n00bs" don't think DBZ is better than Naruto or One Piece. Trust me, I've talked to several of them over the years.

Yeah, you sure know a lot. if you really have that experience you're been talking about, you would know that Naruto is the most "Trolled" anime in the history. so there's a lot of "your hardcore" anime guys that bash Naruto and give DBZ a higher score in their book. you obviously know a lot.

I know Naruto hasn't been hot with hardcore anime fans either, but DBZ doesn't get any less hate than Naruto does from them.

Yeah, i forgot to tell you something.
http://myanimelist.net/profile/roriconfan

^ Here's a list of a "very hardcore" anime reviewer who watched/read a dozens of anime/manga, i mean.. look at his favorites list, these some shows i think you've never even heard of their names in your whole life. he gives Dragon Ball (including Z) a 6, and gives Naruto a 5. go look for his Dragon Ball & Naruto review and compare them. i, myself don't think Dragon Ball is better than Naruto as whole -i find Naruto to be little better- but since you're opinion is basically driven by those "very hardcore" anime guys, check his reviews out. you may change your opinion about Naruto being better.

[Kid Buu]

I can't find his DBZ and Naruto reviews on there, could you link me?

Send his Bleach and OP ones too, for the hell of it.

[DonZ]

I can't find his DBZ and Naruto reviews on there, could you link me?

Send his Bleach and OP ones too, for the hell of it.

Well , i don't really know how to link his review only, but you can find it in the "reviews" section in the manga page.

http://myanimelist.net/manga/42/Dragon_Ball/reviews&p=1
http://myanimelist.net/manga/11/Naruto/reviews&p=4
http://myanimelist.net/manga/13/One_Piece/reviews&p=3
http://myanimelist.net/manga/12/Bleach/reviews

I know it's a manga review, but it's the same as the anime. so don't worry about that. tho i disagree with him about a lot of things, but i find him to be a good reviewer overall.

[Kid Buu]

Well that was interesting read, even if I don't agree.

On the hate towards DBZ and Naruto by "hardcore" anime fans: there are a lot of common biases at play there. Some people just plain don't like them, which is fine, but because they are popular shounen and episodic it can be viewed as poisonous to your "elite cred" not to dismiss it out of hand.

[Flame Dragon]

I was a big Naruto fan, probably the biggest Naruto fan on Kanzenshuu.

Naruto has become shit. No less no more.
The manga is shit:

Terrible story
Twists and turns that are pulled out of Kishi ass just to try to be edgy (Obito betrays Madara, Zetsu betrays Obito, Madara betrays Obito, Zetsu betrays Madara... fuck just decide your allegiance!)
Fights with random powers out of nowhere (Now the Rinnegan can create invisible clones, why? Because fuck you that's why), Eye powers that have nothing to do with eyes (Why do you need eyes to shoot black fire? It made more sense in Part I because eyes were only used for reflexes and hypnosis/genjutsu)
Undeveloped characters with paperboard cutouts of personality that are given "fake" depth with useless flashbacks (seriously i'm sick of flashbacks, just stop)
Plothole galore (Madara using Susanoo without eyes when Sasuke couldn't use it while blind, Madara taking eyes left and right and popping them in his eye socket while other characters needed surgery)
Useless cast of characters (You throught the Saiyans being better than the Earthlings was bad? Well fuck, at least the Saiyans
were not reincarnations of gods! Making the entire cast useless, even villains.)
Powerup Fest (Naruto and Sasuke got 6-7 powerups in the last fight alone, including godly six path powers, killing all chance for them to be relatable. Naruto an underdog? Yeah if you say so)
Hard work means nothing (Sure, Kishimoto keeps preaching about hard work, but his main characters were destined to be godly, meanwhile he hard workers like Rock Lee are still fodder)
Predictable Story (Every forum i visited predicted 300 chapters ahead that Obito was Tobi, that the main characters were reincarnations of the Sons of the Sage, that Obito would fall to talk no jutsu... Boring!)
Fights have zero depth (It's just jutsu spam now, unlike Part I where characters like Shikamaru were beasts just with strategy alone)
Trolled characters (Edo zombies being one paneled by characters much weaker than them, characters that by the way, were never shown training or improve)

The Anime is shit, a bit better than the Manga, but still shit:

One word, Fillerfest.
Inconsistent animation.
Dozens of animation errors, very noticeable.
Crappy manga material means crappy anime.
Sure, Naruto started good, it was amazing back in Part I.
Part II was still good, until the end of the Pain Arc, and specifically, the War, which is an arc so bad, it completely destroyed the series for me.
My guess is that Kishimoto just had dumb luck with the first part of the story, and the final part of the story showed really how much of an incompetent writer he is. He's bad, really bad. He managed to write something good with Part I even with his badness, and then promptly destroyed it with Part II.

Just goes to show, that if you are a terrible writer, not even luck will save you.
That or Part II is written by a replacement fake Kishimoto, or his editors screwed up everything. I can't believe someone that wrote the great Part I could write the shittiest manga arc made in history. Screw the 4h Ninja War.

[Gyt Kaliba]

How about some indie love? Imagine if Eastman and Laird did Dragonball, ala TMNT (which came out the same year Dragon Ball did):

As a huge, huge TMNT nerd, this I would love to see.

And I now exit again from the bile and vitriol that people just seem to love to throw at any series they themselves don't like.