Dragon Ball Wikidiots

[The S]

But at least I expected that some people would not call me a "moron" or an "idiot" for saying obvious things that had previously been stated by Toei...

I have the very right to do so. Toei isn't exactly consistant with anything. And if anybody here knows me well enough, they know I have to be pretty damned pissed to insult someone, especially indirectly. I'm a freakin' pacifist.

After all, it's The S who created DBZ, not Tôei. So Tôei is wrong, that's obvious...

Oh Gods yes. You found me out. I'm a Japanese multibillionare who decided to learn English and go to Dragon Ball websites once in a great while for no reason whatsoever.

[VegettoEX]

Keep it level-headed, direct, and on-topic, or I'll just blast the lot of you off the forum. Thanks.

[BoxerGloves]

You know what's even worse than cleaning up a messy DB article on Wikipedia? It's when the same dumbasses who wrote all that false info, such as claiming that it was Pioneer who's responsible for the butchering of the first two seasons and not FUNimation along with Saban, repeatedly bringing it back after you've corrected it. Damn, it just on nerves.

[Folken-sama]

It's only an 'OVA' by the meaning of the words not the meaning of the term. Saying 'the Plan to Erratcate the Saiyans' is an OVA because it's animation released directly to video is no more correct than saying "Batman" is anime.

Well, Batman The Animated Series is "anime", because in Japan, "anime" is a generic word for "animation"...

For Plan, it is indeed an OVA, because it was released only on video (which is the definition of "OVA" ), and because Toei says so. What are your proofs to say otherwise ?

So if I follow you, DBZ might not be a "TV Series" just because it was broadcasted on TV ? The movies might not be movies, just because they were shown on cinemas ?

Like VegettoEX said, what else do you expect it to be called ?

I have the very right to do so.

No you don't have the right to insult people.

Toei isn't exactly consistant with anything.

Yes, like I said, DBZ isn't a TV serie just because Toei says so. DBZ is "video game footage", isn't it Yes, from the Budokai games...

And if anybody here knows me well enough, they know I have to be pretty damned pissed to insult someone, especially indirectly.

Wow, so I say "Plan..." is an OVA (which is right), I back it up with solid and undisputable proofs, and that's it, it's World War 3 ?

You sure don't need much to be "pretty damned pissed", for a so-called "pacifist"...

[Panda]

What's the big deal? If you know it's the correct information then whio care.

(I'm going to stay out of it now... I really don't know enough about DB/Z?GT to argue any points. I'm just a regular fan.)

I don't see why it couldn't just say that the footage was on the Playdia game but it can be considered OVA format. Does it need to be one or the other or does that really matter? I don't use Wikipedia for to much stuff so correct me if I'm wrong there?

[VegettoEX]

Folken-sama, you're not listening. I do not want any additional personal attacks in this thread. Stop it NOW. Get back to the actual topic at hand. No last words or jabs. You BOTH look like fools.

[Olivier Hague]

It's only an 'OVA' by the meaning of the words not the meaning of the term.

Why not? It's original animation that was produced for the video market.

Saying 'the Plan to Erratcate the Saiyans' is an OVA because it's animation released directly to video is no more correct than saying "Batman" is anime.

Well, that's different, isn't it? Using a Japanese term to talk about an American animated series is simply weird. Unless you're Japanese, that is.

[MajinVejitaXV]

"OVA is a term used in Japan for anime titles that are released directly to retail sale, without prior showings on TV or in theaters"

I think that should end this discussion mighty quickly. While it was based on a video game's plotline, it is in fact an OVA. While Toei may be horrible at maintaining cosistancy, I don't think any of us is in a position to argue with them about the classification of a given project, especially when that project does adhere to the definition of said term.

That being said, OVA's usually surpass normal anime projects for the same series, but I can't say that about 'Plan to...' ;p

-Corey

[Taku128]

I'm suprised FUNimation hasn't released plan and labeled it as a "lost Dragon Ball Z movie"

[jwimz]

Now here is my problem of qualifying it as an OVA.

1. It was included as an extra in the Dragonbox (would someone confirm this, since I don't have one)
2. It will not be released in the US in any form, unless something magical happens.

Now for the "chicken and the egg" question. Was the animation made first as an OVA or made for the game. Yes it was released first on video but was that because it is a video walkthrough for the game or was it because it is an OVA? How was it marketed in Japan? As an OVA or the walkthrough? Someone with knowledge of a marketing campaign made 15+ years ago please answer (note: I'm kinda being sarcastic here).

[MajinVejitaXV]

Now here is my problem of qualifying it as an OVA.

1. It was included as an extra in the Dragonbox (would someone confirm this, since I don't have one)

So were the Bardock and Trunks specials. Bardock was an extra in DragonBox Z Vol.1 and Trunks/Plan to Eradicate the Saiyajin was an extra in Vol. 2.

And to clarify, since Toei lists it as an OVA, I'm guessing...they marketed it as an OVA ;p

-Corey

[Bardock the Mexican]

Doesn't surprise me since most people who make wiki articles are not very intellegent to begin with. That's not to say that all are unintelligent, it's just that as a whole they are ignorant and proud of it. Ignore the stuff they have there unless you know that it's true and confirmed. One has to be carefull when one uses a easily edited form of encyclepedia.

[The S]

All right, I suggest that the OVA thing be temporarily pulled off the table. I can see it's creating way too much (shudders) angst here.

Now, onto the position of "Spike". I had previously had the character's name as Akuman, with Devilman in parenthesis. Then, months and months later, I saw the name in parenthesis changed to Spike. I changed it back with the following message:

"Spike? You've got to be joshing me..."

It was changed back to Spike with the following:

"Spike is his FUNimation dubbed name!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Devil Man was TOO explicit for kids. At least, give a reason y u want "Devil Man""

I did no further edits. Besides doing a Google search and finding nothing, I also posted the following on the user's talk page:

"Show me where he was called "Spike". I just watched the entire Uranai Baba Saga in the English censored dub, and there is no mention of the name. The S 01:54, 25 August 2006 (UTC)"

Does anybody know why this individual would insist that his name was "Spike"?

[Majin Buu]

But apparently, they're using the argument that this is the English Wikipedia, and thus should its English name, and blah blah blah.

Which is absolutely absurd for so many reasons, one being how Roshi mentioned that they still use Mr. Satan in the uncut version. Maybe I should start a discussion on getting it changed. I know I'll need some reasons though, so if anyone can think of some, jump in.

And they don't seem notice there is a certain article named 'Vegetto'!

Let's hope they never do.

I was one of the people lobbying for it to be changed to Mr.Satan too. One person even proposed calling him "H.ercule Satan" as "H.ercule is his real name and Mr.Satan is a wrestler name".

I could give you a few reasons.

The article on Ii Shenron uses his Chinese name I believe instead of "Omega Shenron".

The name Hell's Flash is used in #16's article when the name wasn't used in either the english anime or manga.

The Article on Tullece uses his Japanese name instead of his English name Turles.

And several attack names in several character articles are in Japanese instead of English.

[MajinVejitaXV]

All right, I suggest that the OVA thing be temporarily pulled off the table. I can see it's creating way too much (shudders) angst here.

I wouldn't say it's causing emotional strife, it's just that there's a good case to be made for it being called an OVA. The only real evidence against it is that a video game uses the same plotline.

Sometimes I think people argue against the OVA thing just to be 'elite' among the fanbase. I admit I used to think it was simply footage hacked together from a video game, but having learned more, I can now accept it as an OVA. It fits the definition without having to stretch the boundaries in any way, shape or form.

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck...unless FUNi is dubbing it, in which case they'd probably call it an 'Ascended Mallard' ;p

-Corey

[VegettoEX]

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck...unless FUNi is dubbing it, in which case they'd probably call it an 'Ascended Mallard' ;p

I'm going to use this joke in the future and claim it as my own. My hitman will soon be on his way so as to erase any evidence of your existence.

Yes it was released first on video but was that because it is a video walkthrough for the game or was it because it is an OVA?

I think this is one of the big questions that can be addressed. The animation was quite clearly made FOR the video game SPECIFICALLY. One can make an even better case for this argument by bringing in the fact that additional footage that does NOT appear in the "visual strategy guide" can be accessed via normal game means while playing on the PlayDia.

Clearly, the new animation was made for the video game.

On the flip-side, and at the very same time, that new animation was condensed to solely the "correct path" from the game, and released as the aforementioned "visual strategy guide". Regardless of which came out when, I'm leaning towards going with a classification based on the original intent of the animation.

With all that being said, I continue to acknowledge that calling it an "OVA" is the easiest and most convenient thing to do. At the same time... there's such a history behind it...

BTW, does the Sailormoon fandom have any of this nonsense based around THEIR PlayDia game...?

[Akira]

I've just come to accept that there is no correcting the mindless idiots out there that claim to be true DBZ fans. I hate Wikipedia, and I especially hate when someone tries to quote it as a reliable source on anything. let alone Dragonball. No amount of your efforts will make a difference, my friends. That Wikipedia stuff is a joke best avoided. It's worse than trying to go to a Gamefaqs page about a DBZ video game and trying to correct those clowns on Anime plot points that they have incorrect.

Just leave them to wallow in thier own mess, and be happy that we have a site like this to come to. Although VegettoEX is strict as hell and a stickler for rules, would you really have it any other way? If he wasn't, think of all the idiots that would come here with that nonsense. *Shutter*

It is a trade off that is totally worthwhile in my book.

[Sebastian (SB)]

Yes! Thank You!.......It's good to know I'm not the only one who sees it this way.

[Duo]

I've just come to accept that there is no correcting the mindless idiots out there that claim to be true DBZ fans. I hate Wikipedia, and I especially hate when someone tries to quote it as a reliable source on anything. let alone Dragonball. No amount of your efforts will make a difference, my friends. That Wikipedia stuff is a joke best avoided. It's worse than trying to go to a Gamefaqs page about a DBZ video game and trying to correct those clowns on Anime plot points that they have incorrect.

Just leave them to wallow in thier own mess, and be happy that we have a site like this to come to. Although VegettoEX is strict as hell and a stickler for rules, would you really have it any other way? If he wasn't, think of all the idiots that would come here with that nonsense. *Shutter*

It is a trade off that is totally worthwhile in my book.

What more can I do than bow and say "AMEN!"

[tarsonis]

The wikipedia is generally fine and accurate as long as it is a topic other than DB. Don't blame the entire site just because of a few idiots.