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White Oni
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by White Oni » Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:06 pm
KentalSSJ6 wrote:SSJ4 Gogeta runs the Gurren Lagann gauntlet. How far does he get?
Gurren Lagann?
Arc Gurren Lagann?
Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann?
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann?
Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann?
I'm not familiar with that show.
But If what I've read about STTGL is true... lol Gogeta will be squashed like a bug.
10 million lightyears in height? lol what the hell happens past episode 10 (where I stopped)
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by KentalSSJ6 » Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:08 pm
Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is 52.8 billion light years tall. It's drill is ten times that.
Arc Gurren Lagann actually punches a enemy through the fabric of space time too.
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by White Oni » Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:24 pm
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is 52.8 billion light years tall. It's drill is ten times that.
Arc Gurren Lagann actually punches a enemy through the fabric of space time too.
Ok then, I'm convinced that all Gogeta could do against that would be this
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by TheGmGoken » Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:25 pm
Anything Db related is irrelevant to TTGL as they can destroy anything. You should say TTGL vs an ant the results are the same
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by White Oni » Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:30 pm
TheGmGoken wrote:Anything Db related is irrelevant to TTGL as they can destroy anything. You should say TTGL vs an ant the results are the same
I want to see thought robot superman vs the best TTGL has to offer, that would be cool.
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by TheGmGoken » Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:32 pm
White Oni wrote:TheGmGoken wrote:Anything Db related is irrelevant to TTGL as they can destroy anything. You should say TTGL vs an ant the results are the same
I want to see thought robot superman vs the best TTGL has to offer, that would be cool.
You mean
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_robots or you didn't know about this lol.
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by cesarcoronel07 » Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:35 pm
RandomGuy96 wrote:IMO:
Pan >>> Android 20 > base Goku [Buu arc]
Sorry I meant to say (Black Star Dragon Ball Arc) Pan Vs Base Goku (Buu Arc) and also, can't Goku in his base form defeat Android 20...
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by KentalSSJ6 » Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:40 pm
White Oni wrote:TheGmGoken wrote:Anything Db related is irrelevant to TTGL as they can destroy anything. You should say TTGL vs an ant the results are the same
I want to see thought robot superman vs the best TTGL has to offer, that would be cool.
TTGL literally uses entire galaxies as weapons when fighting the Anti Spiral, tanks a attack on par with the birth of the universe (the big bang), and is capable of matter manipulation, forging a sniper rifle out of nothing. Oh, it also has
Probability Altering Missiles. Oh and their fight rips holes in reality.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:46 pm
White Oni wrote:So dozens against the jubii alone. A certain someone, comes to mind.
Eh?
That's a terrible use of that quote. Batman uses it when wonderwoman and superman are speaking about who's faster. Sure, her CB speed is greater than supes, but superman's traveling speed blows her CB speed away. The same can be said about most DC characters, where built momentum is FAR faster than fighting speeds.
I don't know how Wonder Woman compares with Superman (and I don't really care), but Batman still makes a very good point about combat speed vs traveling speed there.
Anyways, there's literally no evidence that naruto characters move at the speeds needed to match 23rd budaki Goku. And FAR too many that suggest they do not. Like the many chase scenes and the many observable fights.
My point is, we don't have enough evidence to support that Goku is faster than Naruto, or that Naruto is faster than Goku (always talking about 23rd TB).
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I forgot to say something about that:
goku has tanks moon busters by this point. So really I'm not sure anything short of a "this ball melts anything" hax would work, as we've seen that powerful beast bombs destroy mountains.
Are you talking about the Truth-Seeking Balls? Because these destroy anything no matter how durable it is. The only way to touch it without getting hurt is by using senjutsu, and Goku can't use that.
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by TheGmGoken » Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:46 pm
Off topic but the Anti Sprial used a Galaxy like a Kienzen
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by mmg86 » Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:12 pm
What Oni was referring to is the mech that shows up in Superman Beyond 2. The "Cosmic Armor". Its basically Superman... enlarged to a size where a universe is basically a basketball to him. Its also powered by the plot (literally) and supposedly adapts to combat anything. Finally, the pilots (Superman and Ultraman) arent physically in it. Its the merger of their minds that control the thing.
How it does against STTGL? Well, I'm just gonna say that when you can just step on an entire universe (or blast it with heat vision...), its hard to think of a serious fight. I mean, how would STTGL attack it when its not even INSIDE the universe?
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by TheGmGoken » Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:21 pm
Why it got to be STTGL. Why not regular TTGL, super galaxy, or arc Gurren Lagann
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by White Oni » Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:36 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:White Oni wrote:So dozens against the jubii alone. A certain someone, comes to mind.
Eh?
That's a terrible use of that quote. Batman uses it when wonderwoman and superman are speaking about who's faster. Sure, her CB speed is greater than supes, but superman's traveling speed blows her CB speed away. The same can be said about most DC characters, where built momentum is FAR faster than fighting speeds.
I don't know how Wonder Woman compares with Superman (and I don't really care), but Batman still makes a very good point about combat speed vs traveling speed there.
Anyways, there's literally no evidence that naruto characters move at the speeds needed to match 23rd budaki Goku. And FAR too many that suggest they do not. Like the many chase scenes and the many observable fights.
My point is, we don't have enough evidence to support that Goku is faster than Naruto, or that Naruto is faster than Goku (always talking about 23rd TB).
EDIT:
I forgot to say something about that:
goku has tanks moon busters by this point. So really I'm not sure anything short of a "this ball melts anything" hax would work, as we've seen that powerful beast bombs destroy mountains.
Are you talking about the Truth-Seeking Balls? Because these destroy anything no matter how durable it is. The only way to touch it without getting hurt is by using senjutsu, and Goku can't use that.
One of the greatest speed feats in all of naruto.
clearly visible to the human eye.
21st budakai goku is already faster than the eye can see.
23rd budakai GOku is unimaginably faster than naruto, who's not even as fast as Gai is in the spoiler above.
Even if Naruto had the means to harm or kill goku, he'd never get the opportunity to.
We have a clear winner folks.
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by White Oni » Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:02 am
FINISH HIM!
Gai, who was already one of the fastest naruto verse ninjas, uses a technique that literally increases your power by x100.
Yet the following events occur DURING one of his blood lust assaults in said x100 mode.
Yeah... One of the fastest ninjas multiplies his power x100, pushing him far past the otherwise fastest ninja in the series, was trackable by human sight AND was interacted with by other ninja.
There's no way in hell that naruto could begin to challenge the likes of 23rd budakai Goku with such sad speed.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:46 am
Everything is visible to human eye of the viewers of the manga/anime. Even in Dragon Ball.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by White Oni » Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:51 am
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Everything is visible to human eye of the viewers of the manga/anime. Even in Dragon Ball.
Haha? That's a joke right?
I wasn't arguing against that... I was saying that garra saw it with his eyes.
Also, your statement isn't true. There are scenes in DB where we can't see the fighters because we're watching from the perspective of the audience.
Anyways, got any counter arguments against the evidence I showed? Or is this settled?
Because I kinda want to move on to lufft, who you seem to know a quite a bit about.
I was hoping you could give me some speed feats for him.
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by Kid Buu » Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:01 am
Tenshinhan/Yamcha Potara Fusion Vs Final Form Freeza.
Factors in the rival boost
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:09 am
Naruto has moved faster than the eye can see in his Kyuubi Chakra Mode. He was so fast, he appeared as a yellow flash to Tsunade's eyes, and he dodged Raikage's fastest punch. And at this point, he has evolved two more stages above that, and can use Sage Mode on top of it.
Kid Buu wrote:Tenshinhan/Yamcha Potara Fusion Vs Final Form Freeza.
Which arc are they from?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Kid Buu » Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:10 am
Buu Arc? Tenshinhan is a training-addict, and I see nothing saying Yamcha stopped training. So I would assume that is them at their strongest.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
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by KentalSSJ6 » Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:16 am
Kid Buu wrote:Buu Arc? Tenshinhan is a training-addict, and I see nothing saying Yamcha stopped training. So I would assume that is them at their strongest.
Yamcha doesn't add much since he pretty much stops fighting after his encounter with Gero. Ten however was able to suppress second form Cell with his Kikoho. Granted it wasent hurting him, but it had enough power to keep him from moving which is no small feat as Piccolo couldent even do a thing to first form Cell after he absorbed thousands of people.
Theres also a potential rival boost waiting for Yamhan/Tiencha if they are usually classified as rivals. Id say it could go either way.
