The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Buu Arc? Tenshinhan is a training-addict, and I see nothing saying Yamcha stopped training. So I would assume that is them at their strongest.

Didn't Yamcha say that he retired after the Cell Games?

[Kid Buu]

That's what people say, but I haven't seen a line about it in the manga.

[White Oni]

Naruto has moved faster than the eye can see in his Kyuubi Chakra Mode. He was so fast, he appeared as a yellow flash to Tsunade's eyes, and he dodged Raikage's fastest punch. And at this point, he has evolved two more stages above that, and can use Sage Mode on top of it.

It's undisputed that gai's speed is far superior to naruto's, so if things can be interacted with gai's top bloodlust speed, the way I showed them to be able to, the Naruto's speed would be a walk in the park for Goku...

Besides, "he's a blur" means nothing, it doesn't give us any measurable data other than "the dude's fast yo."

[White Oni]

Tenshinhan/Yamcha Potara Fusion Vs Final Form Freeza.

Factors in the rival boost

Yamien/Timcha wipes the floor with Freeza.

Patara fusion is insane, and consider the rivalry bust, as someone else already mentioned.

It's a complete assumption but I have Tien at, at least half of freeza's FP, during the Cell arc.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

That's what people say, but I haven't seen a line about it in the manga.

He says it when they are on the way to the 25th TB. Wait, maybe not.

Anyway, I think they are close enough in power to get a huge boost. Not as huge as Goku's & Vegeta's, who are equals, but much bigger than the boost Kaioshin & Kibito got, who are miles away. And that boost is big enough for them to win.

It's undisputed that gai's speed is far superior to naruto's, so if things can be interacted with gai's top bloodlust speed, the way I showed them to be able to, the Naruto's speed would be a walk in the park for Goku...

That means that Guy's movements are even faster than the eye can see.

[Kid Buu]

All I remember is Chichi asking why he isn't joining the tournament, and him saying no because he'll be embarrassed.

Damn you Shen.

[TheGmGoken]

That's what people say, but I haven't seen a line about it in the manga.

Krillin stop training. Yamcha says he's the strongest earthling. So unless Yamcha does weak ass training, I'm sure he stopped.

[Kid Buu]

Monkey D. Luffy Vs 23rd Budokai Kuririn

[xmysticgohanx]

Tenshinhan/Yamcha Potara Fusion Vs Final Form Freeza.

Factors in the rival boost

If they get the same boost as Vegito did then Temucha wins

[White Oni]

That's what people say, but I haven't seen a line about it in the manga.

He says it when they are on the way to the 25th TB. Wait, maybe not.

Anyway, I think they are close enough in power to get a huge boost. Not as huge as Goku's & Vegeta's, who are equals, but much bigger than the boost Kaioshin & Kibito got, who are miles away. And that boost is big enough for them to win.

It's undisputed that gai's speed is far superior to naruto's, so if things can be interacted with gai's top bloodlust speed, the way I showed them to be able to, the Naruto's speed would be a walk in the park for Goku...

That means that Guy's movements are even faster than the eye can see.

That's what your logic concludes, but the managa contradicts it.

Garra sees it just fine.

Why is this even an argument still? Even if there wasn't strong eveidence against them being anywhere near 23rd bud also goku, there's still no evidence to suggest they were. Bring something of your own to the table. Let's see some "faster than sight" panels.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Garra sees it just fine.

Gaara is the 5th Kazekage, he isn't a normal human.

Why is this even an argument still? Even if there wasn't strong eveidence against them being anywhere near 23rd bud also goku, there's still no evidence to suggest they were. Bring something of your own to the table. Let's see some "faster than sight" panels.

I already mentioned Kyuubi Chakra Mode Naruto dodging Raikage's fastest attack, who is one of the fastest Shinobi in the world. Tsunade said that she only saw a yellow flash.

[White Oni]

Garra sees it just fine.

Gaara is the 5th Kazekage, he isn't a normal human.

Why is this even an argument still? Even if there wasn't strong eveidence against them being anywhere near 23rd bud also goku, there's still no evidence to suggest they were. Bring something of your own to the table. Let's see some "faster than sight" panels.

I already mentioned Kyuubi Chakra Mode Naruto dodging Raikage's fastest attack, who is one of the fastest Shinobi in the world. Tsunade said that she only saw a yellow flash.

And Obama's the president of the united states... Being a hokage doesn't give you magic eyes.

As for raikagi being dodged, that only begs the question, "how fast is the raikage?"

"one of the fastest ninja!" does not answer the question btw.

Can I see the tsunade quote? Not that I think it would build a strong case, I'm just curious.

[White Oni]

Also, let's note that naruto got man handled by a 1 armed raikage WHILE he was double teaming raikage with Killer bee.

Spoiler:

Then let's look at the "super speed' dodge.

Notice that naruto starts running in this panel, and after he starts, several things happen.
both he and the raikage finish sentence.

Spoiler:

Then there's what I THINK you're referring to when you say "naruto was so fast all tsunade saw was a yellow flash."

Spoiler:

The funny thing is, "the yellow flash" isn't what she was describing naruto literally looked like, it was a reference to his father, who was nick named that...

The ironic thing is, Killer bee literally says "That really LOOKED like" and she finished his sentence. Implying they both saw him... He was visible... Again, Garra saw movements from gai who was arguably tens of times faster than this... And we've yet to see a single panel of evidence that supports naruto being anywhere near 23rd budakai Goku...

[DBZGTKOSDH]

And Obama's the president of the united states... Being a hokage doesn't give you magic eyes.

Being a Hokage means that you are abnormally strong. I mean, how can Kuririn see Goku's movements for example? In shonen manga, the strongest you are, the more fastest things you can see.

The funny thing is, "the yellow flash" isn't what she was describing naruto literally looked like, it was a reference to his father, who was nick named that...

That's the quote I was talking about.
His father was nicknamed "Yellow Flash" because he was literally like a yellow flash with his speed. He is the fastest known non-jinchuriki Shinobi.

The ironic thing is, Killer bee literally says "That really LOOKED like" and she finished his sentence. Implying they both saw him... He was visible... Again, Garra saw movements from gai who was arguably tens of times faster than this... And we've yet to see a single panel of evidence that supports naruto being anywhere near 23rd budakai Goku...

You are talking as if Gaara or Killer B are normal humans, which they are not.

[KentalSSJ6]

Let's shake things up abit.

Goruto Rikudou Senjutsu Super Saiyan God



VS 100% Beerus.

[White Oni]

And Obama's the president of the united states... Being a hokage doesn't give you magic eyes.

Being a Hokage means that you are abnormally strong. I mean, how can Kuririn see Goku's movements for example? In shonen manga, the strongest you are, the more fastest things you can see.

The funny thing is, "the yellow flash" isn't what she was describing naruto literally looked like, it was a reference to his father, who was nick named that...

That's the quote I was talking about.
His father was nicknamed "Yellow Flash" because he was literally like a yellow flash with his speed. He is the fastest known non-jinchuriki Shinobi.

The ironic thing is, Killer bee literally says "That really LOOKED like" and she finished his sentence. Implying they both saw him... He was visible... Again, Garra saw movements from gai who was arguably tens of times faster than this... And we've yet to see a single panel of evidence that supports naruto being anywhere near 23rd budakai Goku...

You are talking as if Gaara or Killer B are normal humans, which they are not.

Again, we lack a definitive speed that quantifies what it counts to be "a fast(est) ninja".

Ok, so we have removed the "yellow blur" argument, as we now know she was using a nick name.

Also, I've yet to hear how all these events, like speech and planning, can occur during these SUPPOSEDLY incredibly fast movements.


As for the excuse, stronger people can see better. This is true for DBZ but BECAUSE DBZ makes it perfectly clear that it is. Naruto NEVER does such a thing. So Occam's razor deems Garra's eye, normal, human eyes.

[Kid Buu]

Chaozu, Mr. Popo, and Yajirobe (Post-Kami Training) Vs. Raditz

Filler Kuririn & Filler Yamcha Vs Mecha Freeza

[FrogTrigger]

Fat Cobra vs 22nd Budokai Kid Goku

[TheGmGoken]

Chaozu, Mr. Popo, and Yajirobe (Post-Kami Training) Vs. Raditz

Filler Kuririn & Filler Yamcha Vs Mecha Freeza

Filler team wins

[xmysticgohanx]

Chaozu, Mr. Popo, and Yajirobe (Post-Kami Training) Vs. Raditz

Filler Kuririn & Filler Yamcha Vs Mecha Freeza

Filler team wins

What have they done?