Goku hiding SSJ3 from Vegeta

[MasterVampire]

So when Goku fought Vegeta they were both SSJ2 but they were pretty much evenly matched.
However we know Goku didn't use SSJ3 even though it would of won him the fight like in 10 seconds.

But later on when Goku returns to Earth Super Buu with Gotenks absorbed briefly fights him and he transforms straight into SSJ3 for that battle.

However a bit later when he meets up with Vegeta he fights Buu again who is now even stronger thanks to absorbing Gohan but because Vegeta is there with him he doesn't use SSJ3 like he did only just before.

Isn't that a bit dumb?

I mean to even stand a little chance he should have used it but instead he risks getting killed fighting in his weaker transformation just because of Vegeta?

[Blade]

It is dumb, it's inconsistant and it is a little nonsensical - but I guess that's just how Goku's respect of Vegeta's pride is depicted.

Sometimes he's willing to risk his life and the lives of others to protect Vegeta's pride, whereas in other instances he stands up to it and rallies against him - sometimes within a few chapters of each other.

[Hitiro]

So when Goku fought Vegeta they were both SSJ2 but they were pretty much evenly matched.
However we know Goku didn't use SSJ3 even though it would of won him the fight like in 10 seconds.

But later on when Goku returns to Earth Super Buu with Gotenks absorbed briefly fights him and he transforms straight into SSJ3 for that battle.

However a bit later when he meets up with Vegeta he fights Buu again who is now even stronger thanks to absorbing Gohan but because Vegeta is there with him he doesn't use SSJ3 like he did only just before.

Isn't that a bit dumb?

I mean to even stand a little chance he should have used it but instead he risks getting killed fighting in his weaker transformation just because of Vegeta?

Well he never actually thought Evil Boo with Gotenks absorbed in the manga. He turns SSJ3 and Boo reverts before he gets attacked. Not that SSJ3 Goku would have been able to do anything anyway. And he never fights Boo with Gohan absorbed. In any form. They both immediately go for the Potara fusion. So it really isn't dumb.

The only time it could be considered dumb is inside Evil Boo after he loses all of his absorptions. But then it would be stupid to waste energy inside Boo's body when they should really be fighting him outside. And SSJ3 wouldn't have helped him in the situation. It made more sense against Gotenks Boo because he was only going to try and hold out till Gohan found the Potara. Being SSJ3 would have achieved nothing against Boo without an additional plan like fusion. To be honest I don't see the issue if you take all of that into account.

[Marco Polo]

You know how Saiyans are very prideful? As a Saiyan who was raised by a human, Goku happens to not only have pride in himself, but also respect for Vegeta's own pride. It's just a logical extension of Goku's Saiyan pride mixing with Goku's human empathy.

Any inconsistency can be chalked up to Toriyama not being a careful planner.

[sintzu]

The reason why he didn't fight vegeta in the form is because it would have cut his time down like what happend when he used it against Majin Buu plus i dout toriyama even had ssj3 in his mind when they fought

In terms of why he didn't use it against Gohan-Buu Is because he knew that he and Vegeta would eventually fuse so there was no reason to go above ssj2 and wast all that energy for nothing

[rereboy]

So when Goku fought Vegeta they were both SSJ2 but they were pretty much evenly matched.
However we know Goku didn't use SSJ3 even though it would of won him the fight like in 10 seconds.

But later on when Goku returns to Earth Super Buu with Gotenks absorbed briefly fights him and he transforms straight into SSJ3 for that battle.

However a bit later when he meets up with Vegeta he fights Buu again who is now even stronger thanks to absorbing Gohan but because Vegeta is there with him he doesn't use SSJ3 like he did only just before.

Isn't that a bit dumb?

I mean to even stand a little chance he should have used it but instead he risks getting killed fighting in his weaker transformation just because of Vegeta?

Using SSJ3 GREATLY reduces Goku's time in the living world and he knows it. That's why he hesitated to fight Vegeta at full power from the start (as well as for protecting Vegeta's pride) but Goku miscalculated and it only took a few moments of his battle with Vegeta for Buu to be released, before he could even decide that he really needed to use SSJ3 to end the fight.

[ososdenoche]

Saiyans, man. What are you gonna do?

They're always doing this kind of stuff. Goku fought Cell first. And then gave him a Senzu! He died for these mistakes.

But in the end, it's hard to peg a character like Goku with mistakes. He's not wired like that.

[DieHard]

However a bit later when he meets up with Vegeta he fights Buu again who is now even stronger thanks to absorbing Gohan but because Vegeta is there with him he doesn't use SSJ3 like he did only just before.

Isn't that a bit dumb?

In the manga goku never got the chance to use ss3 against super boo.He fused with vegeta right away.

[Saitou Hajime]

SSJ3 during the Buu saga was portrayed as being a last resort kind of thing for Goku. If he could get away with not using it, he would.

[DieHard]

That"s totally false.Goku didnt used it when he was dead because it would reduce his time,but when he was alive he tought he could use it as much as he could(which was proven wrong during his fight with kid boo).

[TheOverlyMadHatter]

Both of the fights (SSJ3 Goku vs. Gotenks Buu and SSJ2 Goku and Vegeta vs. Gohan Buu) were mostly filler. In the first battle, if memory serves me right, the Gotenks fusions wears off pretty quickly after Goku goes SSJ3. In the second, Goku and Vegeta fuse before the fight even began. So yeah, filler logic.

[miguelnuva1]

Goku was fighting Buu for several minuets he would have beat Majin Vegeta much quicker and saved time on Earth as well as stopping Buu from getting out.

[Hitiro]

Goku was fighting Buu for several minuets he would have beat Majin Vegeta much quicker and saved time on Earth as well as stopping Buu from getting out.

That's under the assumption Goku's blow, or blows, wouldn't be powerful enough to release Boo by themselves? If we go by the multipliers we're given on the SSJ forms then Goku hitting Vegeta in SSJ3 would be the equivalent energy of four SSJ2's hitting each other at the same time. Seems much more risky to produce that energy output than try to finish it with the minimal energy output.

[RancorSnp]

That"s totally false.Goku didnt used it when he was dead because it would reduce his time,but when he was alive he tought he could use it as much as he could(which was proven wrong during his fight with kid boo).

Ehh, this again... The only, the ONLY possible reason why Goku's time on Earth could be shortened is that the SSJ3 actually drains his life force. There is NO other lore friendly explanation. And please do not respond to me : "But it only drained his time because he was revived" like many others did before, because this makes no sense at all.

Goku's body got his life thawed into it for the organs to work for 24 hours, and the SSJ is draining this much faster. (Personally I like to believe that SSJ works similarly to kaioken speeding all body process x fold - but it's a discussion for different topic.)


Anyways, all I had to say about this, no Goku can't use SSJ3 not shortening his life span, and there is definitely no rule in the heavens that you can come back to your planet for 24 hours if you did very good things, but it will be shortened if your name is Goku and you use SSJ 3.

[miguelnuva1]

Goku was fighting Buu for several minuets he would have beat Majin Vegeta much quicker and saved time on Earth as well as stopping Buu from getting out.

That's under the assumption Goku's blow, or blows, wouldn't be powerful enough to release Boo by themselves? If we go by the multipliers we're given on the SSJ forms then Goku hitting Vegeta in SSJ3 would be the equivalent energy of four SSJ2's hitting each other at the same time. Seems much more risky to produce that energy output than try to finish it with the minimal energy output.

I believe only the damage Vegeta did would have freeded Buu.

[Hitiro]

I believe only the damage Vegeta did would have freeded Buu.

It's possible considering only one SSJ2 filled him up half way. But is it explicitly stated that damage on both sides wouldn't feed Majin Boo? I can't remember to be honest.

[Kamiccolo9]

I believe only the damage Vegeta did would have freeded Buu.

It's possible considering only one SSJ2 filled him up half way. But is it explicitly stated that damage on both sides wouldn't feed Majin Boo? I can't remember to be honest.

All of the quotes in the Strength Checker only mention damage done to Goku fueling Buu's ball.

[Hitiro]

I believe only the damage Vegeta did would have freeded Buu.

It's possible considering only one SSJ2 filled him up half way. But is it explicitly stated that damage on both sides wouldn't feed Majin Boo? I can't remember to be honest.

All of the quotes in the Strength Checker only mention damage done to Goku fueling Buu's ball.

Hmm, okay.

[miguelnuva1]

I believe only the damage Vegeta did would have freeded Buu.

It's possible considering only one SSJ2 filled him up half way. But is it explicitly stated that damage on both sides wouldn't feed Majin Boo? I can't remember to be honest.

All of the quotes in the Strength Checker only mention damage done to Goku fueling Buu's ball.

Hmm, okay.[/quote]

Yeah that's what I thought. Goku could have blitz Vegeta gone down to SSJ2 and took care of Dabura and Babidi and worse case scenario 50% Fat Buu is released and beaten by a Goku/Gohan fusion.

[soulnova]

That"s totally false.Goku didnt used it when he was dead because it would reduce his time,but when he was alive he tought he could use it as much as he could(which was proven wrong during his fight with kid boo).

Ehh, this again... The only, the ONLY possible reason why Goku's time on Earth could be shortened is that the SSJ3 actually drains his life force. There is NO other lore friendly explanation.

Yeah, Goku said "The SSJ3 is only supposed to be used in the afterlife". You need to check the fanfic on my sig.