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Most Hated Filler Arc/Episode

Post by Flame Dragon » Sun Jun 08, 2014 5:15 am

What is your most hated filler arc? The one that when you rewatched Dragon Ball, completely killed the pacing and mood, and almost made you quit? The one that is the most useless, time wasting padding.

For me, my most hated filler arc is probably the Fake Namek Arc.

When i was a Kid, i was hyped as hell for the Namek Saga, i wanted to see Piccolo's home with my eyes, and to learn more about the Namekians. I couldn't wait for the gang to reach Namek.
Then the DBZ pacing happened.
I remember it took the gang a lot of episodes to travel through space. The pacing during these episodes was slow as molasses and it felt like they were traveling in space for ages.
So we had like 4 or 5 episodes of space travel. Kinda boring, except the kids escaping from Freeza, that was a nice episode.
Then it finally happened, they got to Namek!
I was hyped as fuck. They began collecting the Dragon Balls and exploring Namek, in a set of episodes that are not that bad.
I was happy to see the gang get things done so quickly.
In fact, it was kinda weird that they were getting so much of an easy time with the DBs collectathon.

Then the reveal happened.

Shapeshifting aliens that create illusions, that have no reason to know the crew is heading to Namek, are responsible for this.
The planet was fake, the Dragon Balls were fake, everything that we just watched was completely useless.
Basically we got 6 or 7 episodes of bullcrap added on to the slow pacing

I WAS PISSED. I RAGED SO MUCH.
I was like "it took a buttload of time to travel here, and it was not even the real Namek?!"
Then the crew resumed the voyage, and it still took another couple of episodes to reach the real Namek.
I was bored out of my mind, so fucking pissed that i watched useless crap, and i wanted to see Namek so much as a kid, that the rage was even stronger.

When they finally reached Namek, i was like "about fuckin time, better not be another waste of time" and was pissed as hell for the first couple of episodes.
In short, those couple of episodes angered me to no end, and totally ruined the first couple of Namek episodes for me.

And since i was a kid, i rewatched DBZ all the time, so i had to slog through that dreadful arc so many times, that i started to hate the real Namek saga too.
Thankfully, the amazing writing of the saga saved it for me.

Even today, i still get pissed if i watch. that arc.

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Re: Most Hated Filler Arc/Episode

Post by Lumos » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:35 am

Flame Dragon wrote:What is your most hated filler arc? The one that when you rewatched Dragon Ball, completely killed the pacing and mood, and almost made you quit? The one that is the most useless, time wasting padding.

For me, my most hated filler arc is probably the Fake Namek Arc.
I think I'd have to agree with you there. I can appreciate the concept in a certain respect but like you said it just feels like a waste of time. It didn't really make me want to quit though. Rather, it inspired me to soldier on and get to the stuff I actually wanted to watch.
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Post by thekingfallsdown » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:46 am

Let me post all the main filler arcs so we have a general idea of what to discuss about. Now this will NOT be every instance of filler, but the terms of filler where it's more noticeable.

1. Training for the Saiyan's arival
2. Spaceship to Namek
3. Fake Namek
4. Bulma Crab Scene
5. Garlic JR.
6. Some Hyperbolic Time Chamber filler
7. Training for the Cell Games
8. Great Saiyaman Arc
???

Did I miss anything? I can't think of anything else off of the top of my head. This is of course not counting the fights, such as with Freeza and Cell, since they weren't story interruptions, just dragging out particular fights. Or in other-words it's less noticeable unless you know the Manga.
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Re: Most Hated Filler Arc/Episode

Post by Vijay » Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:24 am

1. "Infamous" Goku vs Frieza filler fight.

Straight-up fucked the whole fight. Ugly animation, ridiculous "5 minutes" plot with 10+ episodes.

2. Buu Arc fillers.

(A) Gotenks vs Super Buu fillers are atrocious. Fucking 6 episodes?!! Are u kidding me? That fight wouldn't last more than 3 episodes..

(B) Vegito vs Buuhan fillers are boring. The first 2 episodes are lame, while last 2 episodes were good.

(c) Goku & Vegeta inside Buu vs "green" enzymes of sorts.. Kinda ruins the tempo of "rescue" mission.

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Re: Most Hated Filler Arc/Episode

Post by thekingfallsdown » Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:36 am

Vijay wrote:1. "Infamous" Goku vs Freeza filler fight.

Straight-up fucked the whole fight. Ugly animation, ridiculous "5 minutes" plot with 10+ episodes.

2. Buu Arc fillers.

(A) Gotenks vs Super Buu fillers are atrocious. Fucking 6 episodes?!! Are u kidding me? That fight wouldn't last more than 3 episodes..

(B) Vegito vs Buuhan fillers are boring. The first 2 episodes are lame, while last 2 episodes were good.

(c) Goku & Vegeta inside Buu vs "green" enzymes of sorts.. Kinda ruins the tempo of "rescue" mission.
Ah yes the filler inside Buu. Forgot about that. As for those other things, those aren't filler "sagas" it's filler inbetween the actual fights. What I mean by pure filler is episodes you can take the entire episode out, and nothings changed. With the fights, if you take whole episodes out, you're missing things that happened in the Manga. With those things I mentioned, if you take them out, you're not missing any manga material.
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Re: Most Hated Filler Arc/Episode

Post by Daisetsu » Sun Jun 08, 2014 9:23 am

1.) A lot of the filler in the Saiyan arc. I suspect the reason I don't the filler here is because of the constant repeats on Toonami back in the day. I got irritated at seeing the same thing over and over again (and almost dropped the show forever) that it left a bad taste in my mouth.

2.) Most filler in the Freeza arc. Fake Namek, Bulma fighting crabs, Goku Kamehameha-ing a star, etc. were all uninteresting pace breakers (strangely enough, Goku vs Freeza doesn't bother me much).

3.) The wedding dress arc just messes with Goku's character and is overall boring (it's also the only bit in the entire franchise that I have not watched in Japanese).

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Post by ABED » Sun Jun 08, 2014 9:28 am

The fake namek filler, Bulma and the crab episodes, Bulma and the frog, and the stuff about Chichi's wedding dress (there's some fun stuff with Pilaf and Gyumao's love for his daughter is sweet, but overall it's an uninteresting anticlimactic end to DB).
Then the crew resumed the voyage, and it still took another couple of episodes to reach the real Namek.
By the way, not true. They get off fake Namek, and arrive on the real Namek in the same episode.
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Re: Most Hated Filler Arc/Episode

Post by thomas1up » Sun Jun 08, 2014 9:35 am

Dragon Ball doesn't have THAT bad filler, the only one's I skip are Solo Training Arc and the Wedding Dres arc.

DBZ on the other hand...

I actually like the Saiyan filler to be honest, but after that it got worse, Fake Namek was awful and anything with Bulma during Namek was extremely boring.

Garlic Jr. was also pretty bad, apart from not liking the arc itself it was really confusing the first time around as I hadn't seen Movie 1 at the time and had no idea what the context was about.
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Re: Most Hated Filler Arc/Episode

Post by Flame Dragon » Sun Jun 08, 2014 9:47 am

ABED wrote:The fake namek filler, Bulma and the crab episodes, Bulma and the frog, and the stuff about Chichi's wedding dress (there's some fun stuff with Pilaf and Gyumao's love for his daughter is sweet, but overall it's an uninteresting anticlimactic end to DB).
Then the crew resumed the voyage, and it still took another couple of episodes to reach the real Namek.
By the way, not true. They get off fake Namek, and arrive on the real Namek in the same episode.
My memory is failing me then... i guess that's how much that arc pissed me off.

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Re: Most Hated Filler Arc/Episode

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Jun 08, 2014 9:51 am

thekingfallsdown wrote:Let me post all the main filler arcs so we have a general idea of what to discuss about. Now this will NOT be every instance of filler, but the terms of filler where it's more noticeable.

1. Training for the Saiyan's arival
2. Spaceship to Namek
3. Fake Namek
4. Bulma Crab Scene
5. Garlic JR.
6. Some Hyperbolic Time Chamber filler
7. Training for the Cell Games
8. Great Saiyaman Arc
???

Did I miss anything? I can't think of anything else off of the top of my head. This is of course not counting the fights, such as with Freeza and Cell, since they weren't story interruptions, just dragging out particular fights. Or in other-words it's less noticeable unless you know the Manga.
You forgot the Driving Episode, and whatever else takes place in the time spent training for the Androids.
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Post by thekingfallsdown » Sun Jun 08, 2014 10:05 am

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
thekingfallsdown wrote:Let me post all the main filler arcs so we have a general idea of what to discuss about. Now this will NOT be every instance of filler, but the terms of filler where it's more noticeable.

1. Training for the Saiyan's arival
2. Spaceship to Namek
3. Fake Namek
4. Bulma Crab Scene
5. Garlic JR.
6. Some Hyperbolic Time Chamber filler
7. Training for the Cell Games
8. Great Saiyaman Arc
???

Did I miss anything? I can't think of anything else off of the top of my head. This is of course not counting the fights, such as with Freeza and Cell, since they weren't story interruptions, just dragging out particular fights. Or in other-words it's less noticeable unless you know the Manga.
You forgot the Driving Episode, and whatever else takes place in the time spent training for the Androids.
I considered the driving episode to be in #7 since it was right around then wasn't it? I can't recall.....
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Post by ABED » Sun Jun 08, 2014 10:09 am

There are only two episodes that cover the training for the Cyborgs. I'm not a fan of the driving episode. I know a lot of people love it, but it's not my kind of humor. No, the driving episode isn't around the time they train for they Cell Games, it's a couple episodes after Trunks leaves for the first time. The other episode is the one where Vegeta trains in heavy gravity and obsesses over Goku and Trunks turning Super Saiyan. I really like that episode.

I don't mind fight filler. Most of it doesn't drag out the fights, it adds to them.
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Re: Most Hated Filler Arc/Episode

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Jun 08, 2014 10:20 am

thekingfallsdown wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
thekingfallsdown wrote:Let me post all the main filler arcs so we have a general idea of what to discuss about. Now this will NOT be every instance of filler, but the terms of filler where it's more noticeable.

1. Training for the Saiyan's arival
2. Spaceship to Namek
3. Fake Namek
4. Bulma Crab Scene
5. Garlic JR.
6. Some Hyperbolic Time Chamber filler
7. Training for the Cell Games
8. Great Saiyaman Arc
???

Did I miss anything? I can't think of anything else off of the top of my head. This is of course not counting the fights, such as with Freeza and Cell, since they weren't story interruptions, just dragging out particular fights. Or in other-words it's less noticeable unless you know the Manga.
You forgot the Driving Episode, and whatever else takes place in the time spent training for the Androids.
I considered the driving episode to be in #7 since it was right around then wasn't it? I can't recall.....
Nah, it's way earlier than that.
You also left out the Otherworld Tournament filler arc.
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Post by JEFFMAN219 » Sun Jun 08, 2014 10:56 am

For me I hate almost all of the saiyian saga filler, the fake namek filler and the garlic Jr arc because as a kid I thought those episodes were boring as fuck. Thank god I bought all of Kai lool.

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Post by thekingfallsdown » Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:04 am

Ah the otherworld tournament.. I shouldn't have forgotten about that lol. I guess it gets over shadowed by the Great Sayiaman Arc. As for the driving episode, you'll have to excuse my lack of memory, it's been a long time sense I watched DBZ in it's entirety. My most recent watching was all from KAI.
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Post by JackyBoi99 » Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:23 am

The filler episode I dislike the most is the bulma-chan vs underwater crap episode. Also I find the most of rosat training quite tedious to watch.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Jun 08, 2014 12:28 pm

I'm gonna be the weird guy here. The Garlic Jr. & AfterLife Tournament arcs are the only filler arcs that I enjoyed. There rest felt boring, pointless, and too childish for my tastes.
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Post by thekingfallsdown » Sun Jun 08, 2014 12:42 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I'm gonna be the weird guy here. The Garlic Jr. & AfterLife Tournament arcs are the only filler arcs that I enjoyed. There rest felt boring, pointless, and too childish for my tastes.
Funny because I feel the same way lol. The only other filler I really enjoyed was the insides of Buu parts.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Jun 08, 2014 12:44 pm

thekingfallsdown wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I'm gonna be the weird guy here. The Garlic Jr. & AfterLife Tournament arcs are the only filler arcs that I enjoyed. There rest felt boring, pointless, and too childish for my tastes.
Funny because I feel the same way lol. The only other filler I really enjoyed was the insides of Buu parts.
I also enjoyed the Garlic Jr. and Otherworld Tournament Arcs, and didn't mind the filler inside Buu. I also loved the Saiyan Arc filler, the Driving Episode, and the extended Buutenks and Pure Buu fights.

Don't much care for everything else, though.
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Post by DoomieDoomie911 » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:18 pm

I really don't like the whole "fake Namek" thing. The Garlic Junior arc was pretty bad too, though.
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