KentalSSJ6 wrote:On a side note, can I get the quotes proving Super Buu > Kid Buu real quick please?
Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P12.4-5
Context: after Goku and Vegeta revert Boo back to regular evil Boo
Goku: “Hehhe~~eh! With this, Boo’s power should have fallen significantly! We’re almost there! See, see: the size of his ki is completely different than before!”
Vegeta: “Alright! Let’s blast out of here and escape!”
Goku: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in…!”
Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P13.1
Context: still talking about how they’re no match for Boo
Goku: “…But there is one way we can win!”
Vegeta: “You want to say Fusion, right? Well who cares about that?!”
Goku: “Huh? You know about it?”
Vegeta: “I saw it from the afterlife…You’ve got to be joking! You think I’d perform those ugly poses…?! Anyway, I thought I told you that I’m not going to merge with you a second time.”
Goku says that only with Fusion he & Vegeta can stand a chance, meaning that Evil Boo is far stronger than SS3 Goku.
Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P3.4-6
Context: after Boo reverts to his pure form
Vegeta: “……Heh…Heheheh…Look! He’s shrunk down quite a bit!”
Goku: “We did it! This way, we might be able to manage something.”
Note: "He’s shrunk" is chidzimu, which typically refers to physical shrinking (like with Bulma's Micro Band) and throughout DB is never used to refer to ki diminishing. So Vegeta's probably talking about how Boo’s body has shrunk. That doesn't mean Boo's ki didn't go down too, but it's not what Vegeta's talking about here.
Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.1-6
Vegeta: “Don’t hesitate for my sake, and finish him off! With that Super Saiyan 3, you should be able to completely wipe out Boo with your ki once you gather it with all your might…!”
Goku: “Ye…yeah…I’ve been thinking of doing that as well since awhile back, but…I haven’t gotten the chance.”
Vegeta: “Eh?”
Goku: “If I want to wipe him out, I gotta gather ki for about one minute.”
Vegeta: “One minute?!”
Goku: “Dammnit~~~If it was with the Potara, I could have done it in one blast. …..Cheh~~~I guess I went and showed off too much. But I thought things would go a little better than this…!”
Vegeta: “…S …So you weren’t thinking of me…”
Goku admits that he & Vegeta together can't beat Evil Boo, except if they use Fusion. Which means that SS3 Goku with SS2 Vegeta's help can't defeat Evil Boo, making him far stronger than SS3 Goku.
When Gohan Boo reverts to Evil Boo, Goku says that they are "almost there", and when Evil Boo reverts to Pure Boo, he says "we did it!", meaning that their goal was to remove everyone so that Boo would get weaker, so that they can stand a chance on their own, since Gohan Boo & Evil Boo were too strong for them, while they can manage something against Pure Boo without Fusion or Potara.
After fighting Pure Boo, Goku figures that he can kill him if he can charge ki for a minute, but he fails to do so because SS3 lasts only for a few minutes when you are alive, something that Goku didn't know.
And as for why Goku says "now Gohan can beat you on alone" to Piccolo Boo, he doesn't mean that "the weakling Gohan can beat you", he means "Gohan doesn't need my help to beat you".
And as for why they didn't bring Gohan & Gotenks, but chose to use the Super Genki Dama, it wasn't because the Genki Dama would be more effective, it was because Toriyama wanted Goku to save the day Vegeta wanted the Earthlings to defeat this threat with their own powers instead of relying on the Z-Senshi. Gohan & Gotenks would have been more than enough to defeat Pure Boo if they were there.
AND as for why the Genki Dama was barely strong enough to kill Boo even though Gohan had gave all of his power, it doesn't mean that Gohan on his own would be weaker than Boo. Gohan gave all of his genki, which is a part of ki, not all of his ki. But if you lose genki, you also lose ki of course.
Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P10.4-5
Goku: “Hahha—ah! Piccolo’s coming out strong now! Looks like the Fused squirts have returned to normal! You ran out of time! Tooo—oo bad! Your power’s fallen a whole lot. Cheh…I’m a little disappointed. This way, Gohan will be able to beat you even on his own…”
Chapter: 514 (DBZ 320), P7.4
Context: after Vegeta has the Earth brought back with the dragonballs
Goku: “Oh, I know! You’ll bring Gohan and Gotenks back to life so they can fight.”
Vegeta: “No.”
Chapter: 514 (DBZ 320), P8.3-4
Context: after Vegeta tells Goku to make a Genki-Dama
Goku: “Hey! So it was the Genki-Dama you were thinking of!? It-it’s no use! Against Boo, no matter how much we gathered little bits of genki from all the Earthlings…”
Vegeta: “I told you, right? That those guys on Earth should take responsibility every now and then…! It won’t be just little bit. We’ll gather ki from them right up to their limits!”
Akira Toriyama wrote:Ki as a concept of course includes such spiritual powers as energy [genki], courage [yūki], and right-mindedness [shōki].
I think that's all.
xmysticgohanx wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Bullza wrote:Frieza vs Kibito
Freeza wins.
Kibito is weaker than base Gohan, who is weaker than Freeza.
Where is that stated?
Daizenshuu 7.
His battle power is considerably high, enough to give Gohan a difficult fight as long as he wasn't a Super Saiyan.
