Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by Blade » Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:43 am

FortuneSSJ wrote:I rather they use money for Battle of Gods sequel instead wasting it to remake something that was done awesome in the past.
Toei have separate financial provision for their theatrical works, so Sailor Moon Crystal wont make any difference to whatever they're doing on that side of things. Whilst Toei is renowned for cutting production corners financially, their films will always be better budgeted and manned by more key animators than anything they make for TV. Regardless of how people regard the quality of the animation in Battle of Gods, it's still miles ahead of anything they air on TV.

Besides, Toei's TV-Anime output has really been stepped up recently, with new titles such as Disk Wars: The Avengers, Majin Bone and Rowdy Sumo Wrestler Matsutaro added to their roster. Whilst all three have some incredibly shaky animation, if the company itself was so hard up for cash, one would suspect they would be scaling back on the number of productions, not increasing them.
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by JulieYBM » Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:03 am

Toei Animation doesn't fund their works themselves. The last credit of the Opening is the Production Committee members. Notice how there is always two or three names there for Toei animated series. With Disk Wars: Avengers there is only one, Walt Disney Japan. With Dragon Ball TV series there is only two for all four series, Fuji Televi and Toei. Even if Toei was 'hard up' for cash it wouldn't quite matter so long as the other production committee members were funding the project and trusted Toei would have the resources to create the project.
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by kei17 » Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:39 am

Because Sailor Moon had been dead for a long time that it needs a complete reboot. On the other hand, the Dragon Ball franchise is almost evergreen and has been staying alive halfway, so Toei keeps milking it with minimum effort.

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Post by coola » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:31 am

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Post by EXBadguy » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:51 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote:I rather they use money for Battle of Gods sequel instead wasting it to remake something that was done awesome in the past.
I agree.

Like seriously people, we don't need another remake of DBZ or any of the original series. If anything, like he said, either make a BOG sequel or a DB Heroes anime. And I'm personally getting annoyed with people comparing Kai to Crystal, like, who cares? Just enjoy Kai, it cuts the fillers out, it's "cleaner" and that's all that matters. Besides, some of the new animations don't even look that good.
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by Kid Buu » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:47 pm

Luna sounds the same despite being recast (Keiko Han ;_;) but Usagi sounds different despite having the same actress.

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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by coola » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:40 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBYsyJGc7DQ Opening, transformation, and few fragments from actual show.
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by Cold Skin » Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:50 pm

^ Oh, this looks much better than the anime back then!
They did animate a full transformation sequence even if it might not happen as often as before.

But they're still stuck on their anime colors even when making a remake, huh?
As Princess Serenity, the heroine is not supposed to be blond, she's supposed to have silver hair unlike her Usagi and Sailor Moon incarnations.
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by Chuquita » Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:30 pm

The opening looks awesome. X3

Also, while I prefer 2D transformation sequences, I'm used to the Toei cgi via Precure by now.
Still better cgi than in BOG, so it's got that.
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by Ajay » Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:33 pm

Likewise, the CGI didn't bother me mostly due to PreCure. PreCure being a show I have never watched subbed and have only gotten into since it airs before Kai :lol:

I'm hyped! Was never into Sailor Moon much when I was younger so I'm interested to see how this manga-following version is!
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Post by Kid Buu » Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:36 pm

The original PreCure is directed by the guy who did the Dragon Ball Z anime.

The new one is basically a complete homage to Sailor Moon, the main girl even has a Usagi personality.
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by JulieYBM » Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:47 pm

Shida Naotoshi (Gokuu and Beers flying through the ground and into the sky) did the key animation for the Sailor Moon Crystal Opening's action cuts.
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:38 pm

EXBadguy wrote:
FortuneSSJ wrote:I rather they use money for Battle of Gods sequel instead wasting it to remake something that was done awesome in the past.
I agree.

Like seriously people, we don't need another remake of DBZ or any of the original series. If anything, like he said, either make a BOG sequel or a DB Heroes anime. And I'm personally getting annoyed with people comparing Kai to Crystal, like, who cares? Just enjoy Kai, it cuts the fillers out, it's "cleaner" and that's all that matters. Besides, some of the new animations don't even look that good.
The series old story has been retold so many times over I dont think its necessary at all to reanimate the entire thing. Everythings been seen and done, everythings been revised to be close enough. SM's anime on the other hand had its story butchered so much from the original manga that it was almost an obligation in respect to Naoko.
in regards to animation, I agree Id rather not see it reanimated as a definitive version, most of the new stuff from Toei has looked so bad lately, just save the money on fresher content at the least imo. DB Crystal doesnt even look that good visually. Animation looks so jittery and unnatural: at least from the first trailer. Obvious Budget limitations are something of Toei's signature today.
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by JulieYBM » Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:03 pm

SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:Crystal doesnt even look that good visually. Animation looks so jittery and unnatural: at least from the first trailer. Obvious Budget limitations are something of Toei's signature today.
Kodansha is on the production committee, too, not to mention the hype Dwango initially placed into promoting the series. Toei Animation isn't exactly responsible for the majority of the funding on this project.
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by Kid Buu » Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:46 am

I think everyone should stop focusing on the animation and start focusing on how awful Kotono Mitsuishi sounds.

I mean, people here whine about the Kai cast, but at least it still feel like the same people voicing them. Mitsuishi sounds like someone doing a poor imitation.

Yet, Toru Furuya, the one guy who sounds the exact same in DBZ Kai and played the other main character in Sailor Moon, was not brought back.

YAMCHA WAS SHAFTED.

(How ironic).
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by coola » Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:30 am

Well, in 1st episode of Kai, both Mr. Shigeru Chiba and Ms. Hiromi Tsuru were awful, they literally sounded like they just read their script, but in next episode, they were much better so I'm gonna wait at least 2 episodes, until i can rate Ms. Mitsuishi, few years ago, she was voice of Hummy in Suite Precure, and she sounded really adorable, i agree, that at least Toru Furuya should return, regarding Kai, i still think, that some people should be recast, it`s not out of respect for them, but most of them really sounded like shadows from DBZ (Every time i heard Mr.Horikawa, i had to skip scene, that`s how awful it was) With is why i really admire Toei, for taking risk, and despite backlash, include almost entire new cast. I guess Kai really was some sort of experiment that failed, and now almost every remake is true remake.
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by funrush » Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:04 pm

On the topic of Sailor Moon getting a redub, the Sailor Moon dub makes the original DBZ dub look like a perfected masterpiece. It needs one to the point where not re-dubbing it would be embarrassing.

As for why one got reanimated and not the other, maybe Toei learned that simple redraws and tracings don't look as great from the reception to a Dragon Ball Kai.

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Post by Mewzard » Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:17 pm

Kid Buu wrote:I think everyone should stop focusing on the animation and start focusing on how awful Kotono Mitsuishi sounds.

I mean, people here whine about the Kai cast, but at least it still feel like the same people voicing them. Mitsuishi sounds like someone doing a poor imitation.

Yet, Toru Furuya, the one guy who sounds the exact same in DBZ Kai and played the other main character in Sailor Moon, was not brought back.

YAMCHA WAS SHAFTED.

(How ironic).
He's also not been doing Seiya either outside of an older version for Omega (admittedly, that's his own choice because Toei was only going to have him back and replace everyone else for later stuff, so he stuck with his fellow VAs, and only came back for a minor role, but still).

All that's left is Yamcha and Amuro Ray...and Heaven help Sunrise if they replace Furuya as Amuro.

But yeah, more than Sailor Moon needs a reanimation, that's for sure, but they need to keep the old voices where possible (where they sound age-appropriate...and Furuya's voice is eternal dammit).
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by Kid Buu » Sat Jul 05, 2014 6:31 am

Okay, SM Crystal Episode #1 is awesome.

Kai got the short stick.
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