Are saiyans aboriginals of Planet Vegeta?

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

It's a bit complicated, I guess. Toriyama designed Chilled and the manga version of Episode of Bardock is included in the manga based Chozenshu. BUT, Toriyama never really acknowledges what he actually considers it and even somewhat contradicts it with his newest additions to the franchise with Jaco, interviews, etc. So the answer is, we don't really know what it is considered.

That being said, regardless of who likes it or not, Episode of Bardock is part of the franchise and does present valid points to discuss about the topic at hand. So there is no reason to just shun it like a leper.

My assumption is he respects it in the same way he respects GT, it just wasnt written by him but for Ooshi to make her inner Bardock crush happy. In reality, we cant accept it as canon because of how it makes even less sense than most of Z's own filler did. I for sure can't make sense of it.

[Thouser]

In reality, we cant accept it as canon because of how it makes even less sense than most of Z's own filler did. I for sure can't make sense of it.

I'm not crazy about Bardock being the original Super Saiyan, but I don't remember anything about the special that really confused me. What exactly didn't make sense to you about Episode of Bardock?

[Pantalones]

Well, there's Freeza's magic time-travel-inducing ki blast that started off the whole thing, to point out the obvious.

Which is probably the biggest(/only?) problem I have with Episode of Bardock. Everything that happens after he's in the past is fine, but why the heck should a big ki blast randomly throw somebody back in time? And why Freeza's blast used to destroy Planet Vegeta, specifically? Why only Bardock, and not any other Saiyans? Why didn't Cell's explosion send Bubbles back in time or something? Why didn't Kid Buu's blast send some of the few surviving people on Earth back in time? "Planet-destroying blasts sometimes randomly send people back in time" is just too far into the crazy nonsense zone for me. It doesn't even make sense in the context of the rest of DB/Z.

It's especially nonsensical if we're supposed to believe that Bardock went back and became the same Super Saiyan that everyone knows about through the old legends, considering that Dragonball time travel works by sending you to alternate timelines, not the past of your own timeline. Maybe Bardock is the Super Saiyan mentioned in the legends of the timeline created by him being sent back to the past, but who was the Super Saiyan mentioned in the legends that Freeza and his men and the Saiyans that Freeza blew up had already heard of before he ever blew up Planet Vegeta? It can't just be Bardock, because DB time travel does not work that way...

[B]

but who was the Super Saiyan mentioned in the legends that Freeza and his men and the Saiyans that Freeza blew up had already heard of before he ever blew up Planet Vegeta? It can't just be Bardock, because DB time travel does not work that way...

Is the answer to this question really important? EoB never actually says Bardock is the Legendary Super Saiyan of any timeline.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Which is probably the biggest(/only?) problem I have with Episode of Bardock. Everything that happens after he's in the past is fine, but why the heck should a big ki blast randomly throw somebody back in time? And why Freeza's blast used to destroy Planet Vegeta, specifically? Why only Bardock, and not any other Saiyans? Why didn't Cell's explosion send Bubbles back in time or something? Why didn't Kid Buu's blast send some of the few surviving people on Earth back in time? "Planet-destroying blasts sometimes randomly send people back in time" is just too far into the crazy nonsense zone for me. It doesn't even make sense in the context of the rest of DB/Z.

It's not Freeza's blast that sent Bardock back in time, it's the explosion of the planet. In EoB, Freeza's blast didn't touch Bardock, the explosion of the planet opened a portal in time, and Bardock was dragged in. It happens a lot in fiction.

It's especially nonsensical if we're supposed to believe that Bardock went back and became the same Super Saiyan that everyone knows about through the old legends, considering that Dragonball time travel works by sending you to alternate timelines, not the past of your own timeline. Maybe Bardock is the Super Saiyan mentioned in the legends of the timeline created by him being sent back to the past, but who was the Super Saiyan mentioned in the legends that Freeza and his men and the Saiyans that Freeza blew up had already heard of before he ever blew up Planet Vegeta? It can't just be Bardock, because DB time travel does not work that way...

Here is how I see it (these aren't the same timelines that Trunks created BTW):

• Timeline 1: Bardock isn't the legendary Super Saiyan in the past, Freeza attacks, Bardock goes back in time, creates Timeline 2 (unseen).
• Timeline 2: Bardock is the legendary Super Saiyan in the past, Freeza attacks, Bardock goes back in time, creates Timeline 3 (Beginning of EoB).
• Timeline 3: Bardock is the legendary Super Saiyan in the past, Freeza attacks, Bardock goes back in time, creates Timeline 4 (The rest of EoB, manga. DBO).
• Timeline 4: Bardock is the legendary Super Saiyan in the past, Freeza attacks, Bardock is saved by from Timeline 3's Miira (DBO past missions).

[Low Tone G]

Which is probably the biggest(/only?) problem I have with Episode of Bardock. Everything that happens after he's in the past is fine, but why the heck should a big ki blast randomly throw somebody back in time? And why Freeza's blast used to destroy Planet Vegeta, specifically? Why only Bardock, and not any other Saiyans? Why didn't Cell's explosion send Bubbles back in time or something? Why didn't Kid Buu's blast send some of the few surviving people on Earth back in time? "Planet-destroying blasts sometimes randomly send people back in time" is just too far into the crazy nonsense zone for me. It doesn't even make sense in the context of the rest of DB/Z.

It's not Freeza's blast that sent Bardock back in time, it's the explosion of the planet. In EoB, Freeza's blast didn't touch Bardock, the explosion of the planet opened a portal in time, and Bardock was dragged in. It happens a lot in fiction.

It's especially nonsensical if we're supposed to believe that Bardock went back and became the same Super Saiyan that everyone knows about through the old legends, considering that Dragonball time travel works by sending you to alternate timelines, not the past of your own timeline. Maybe Bardock is the Super Saiyan mentioned in the legends of the timeline created by him being sent back to the past, but who was the Super Saiyan mentioned in the legends that Freeza and his men and the Saiyans that Freeza blew up had already heard of before he ever blew up Planet Vegeta? It can't just be Bardock, because DB time travel does not work that way...

Here is how I see it (these aren't the same timelines that Trunks created BTW):

• Timeline 1: Bardock isn't the legendary Super Saiyan in the past, Freeza attacks, Bardock goes back in time, creates Timeline 2 (unseen).
• Timeline 2: Bardock is the legendary Super Saiyan in the past, Freeza attacks, Bardock goes back in time, creates Timeline 3 (Beginning of EoB).
• Timeline 3: Bardock is the legendary Super Saiyan in the past, Freeza attacks, Bardock goes back in time, creates Timeline 4 (The rest of EoB, manga. DBO).
• Timeline 4: Bardock is the legendary Super Saiyan in the past, Freeza attacks, Bardock is saved by from Timeline 3's Miira (DBO past missions).

So I are imagining that there is one timeline with Bardock isn't Super Saiyan in past but he is also in the past, and there many in which Bardock is, and one of those timelines is the one which is our timeline? The must mean that there is a timeline whre Bardock do not go to the past and dies agaist Frieza. In that way there is an infinite number of timelines with Bardock coming from future to past and becomes a SSJ.