Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Hellspawn28]

Any reason why Tarble is not canon to DBM? I thought the creator wanted DBM to stay close to the manga which is why they had to re-write Movie 8 and 10 in order for it to work.

[Malik_DBNA]

Any reason why Tarble is not canon to DBM? I thought the creator wanted DBM to stay close to the manga which is why they had to re-write Movie 8 and 10 in order for it to work.

Likely due to Tarble not being created in the least by Toriyama. Tarble came from an OVA which was later adapted into a manga short by Naho Ooishi. This is also one of the reasons I don't consider Tarble canon to the main universe. It seems to me Salagir only included anime/movie characters that were either created or at least designed by Akira Toriyama

[Tzigi]

Any reason why Tarble is not canon to DBM? I thought the creator wanted DBM to stay close to the manga which is why they had to re-write Movie 8 and 10 in order for it to work.

Likely due to Tarble not being created in the least by Toriyama. Tarble came from an OVA which was later adapted into a manga short by Naho Ooishi. This is also one of the reasons I don't consider Tarble canon to the main universe. It seems to me Salagir only included anime/movie characters that were either created or at least designed by Akira Toriyama

That would be it. Here's a fitting quote from Salagir:

Tarble n'est PAS un personnage de Tori, et est toujours une incohérence sur pattes. Le coup de sa Krillinisation est une bonne excuse, mais carrément pas crédible. Et de plus, il reste incohérent avec le reste de l'histoire. Si à 3, le groupe de Saiyans n'était pas suffisant pour se battre, Vegeta n'aurai-t-il pas ordonner d'aller chercher son propre frère plutôt que le frère du plus faible de leur groupe ?

translation: TARBLE is NOT a character [created by] Tori[yama] and he's still a walking incoherence. Making him Kuririn-like is a good excuse but it's in no way credible. And, what's more, he's incoherent with the rest of the story. If a group of 3 Saiyans wasn't enough to fight, should Vegeta have issued an order to search for his own brother rather then the brother of the weakest [member] of their group?

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[TheDevilsCorpse]

Any reason why Tarble is not canon to DBM? I thought the creator wanted DBM to stay close to the manga which is why they had to re-write Movie 8 and 10 in order for it to work.

Likely due to Tarble not being created in the least by Toriyama. Tarble came from an OVA which was later adapted into a manga short by Naho Ooishi. This is also one of the reasons I don't consider Tarble canon to the main universe. It seems to me Salagir only included anime/movie characters that were either created or at least designed by Akira Toriyama

Which may not even be correct. We don't entirely know. Even if Tarble wasn't designed by Toriyama, his creation was most likely his idea. Toriyama wrote Battle of Gods, which clearly nods at the JSAT special by acknowledging that Vegeta has a brother, and the credits of the JSAT special do specifically credit Toriyama for the first draft of the story (not just his Original Author credit like normal).

[Cetra]

Akira Toriyama did not just write Battle of Gods. He rewrote it. So basically there could be things that the anime staff wrote and which he let remain in the movie.

[Rocketman]

"Tarble's a walking incoherence!" *makes invinciBroly*

[mAcChaos]

More Broly? Oh, that's just wonderful. So who was that eight foot tall guy on the last page, Broly's uncle?

Honestly, this is quite a disappointing and annoying page. Vegeta's supposed to be an utterly ruthless and cruel monster, even by saiyan standards. The kind of a guy who would let one subordinate die for being weak (despite being able to save him) and flat out murder another for being a cripple. Yes, you can try to explain it away with whatever off-screen experience this Vegeta had, but that's not really the problem. The whole point of this Vegeta is to basically be what happened if he won in the Saiyan and Namek arcs, and I can't see that version of Vegeta having any reservations about killing his family and comrades, to say nothing of "ghosts" of them.

But you also have to assume that whatever shred of loyalty and love that he had in his heart was shredded away from years of working with Freeza. We saw in his death scene the amount of anguish he really had over what Freeza did. It's only natural that actually seeing his family again would bring those feelings to the forefront again. For all we know his cold hearted personality is a carefully constructed front to deal with whatever emotional scars he has.

That, and beating Freeza in this universe would make him more likely to relax and let down his guard. He has nothing to be afraid of after all.

[Malik_DBNA]

Which may not even be correct. We don't entirely know. Even if Tarble wasn't designed by Toriyama, his creation was most likely his idea. Toriyama wrote Battle of Gods, which clearly nods at the JSAT special by acknowledging that Vegeta has a brother, and the credits of the JSAT special do specifically credit Toriyama for the first draft of the story (not just his Original Author credit like normal).

Its a HUGE misconception that Toriyama wrote Battle of Gods. Yusuke Watanabe was the writer for Battle of Gods, with executive input and edits from Toriyama about certain things (like changing the party from Krillin and 18's wedding to Bulma's birthday). Toriyama also did not exclusively design all the characters himself either. Tadayoshi Yamamuro, as he has been throughout a great many of the DBZ movies, was the head character designer but Toriyama also had executive input with this as well (like Toriyama's alterations to Super Saiyan God and his complete redesign of Beerus).

[Cetra]

Which may not even be correct. We don't entirely know. Even if Tarble wasn't designed by Toriyama, his creation was most likely his idea. Toriyama wrote Battle of Gods, which clearly nods at the JSAT special by acknowledging that Vegeta has a brother, and the credits of the JSAT special do specifically credit Toriyama for the first draft of the story (not just his Original Author credit like normal).

Its a HUGE misconception that Toriyama wrote Battle of Gods. Yusuke Watanabe was the writer for Battle of Gods, with executive input and edits from Toriyama about certain things (like changing the party from Krillin and 18's wedding to Bulma's birthday). Toriyama also did not exclusively design all the characters himself either. Tadayoshi Yamamuro, as he has been throughout a great many of the DBZ movies, was the head character designer but Toriyama also had executive input with this as well (like Toriyama's alterations to Super Saiyan God and his complete redesign of Beerus).

From what I remember he did write "all of it" but only after the script was written and given to him to check (so "all of it" as in starting anew). So there could be things that remained while almost all of it is new from him.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Its a HUGE misconception that Toriyama wrote Battle of Gods. Yusuke Watanabe was the writer for Battle of Gods, with executive input and edits from Toriyama about certain things (like changing the party from Krillin and 18's wedding to Bulma's birthday). Toriyama also did not exclusively design all the characters himself either. Tadayoshi Yamamuro, as he has been throughout a great many of the DBZ movies, was the head character designer but Toriyama also had executive input with this as well (like Toriyama's alterations to Super Saiyan God and his complete redesign of Beerus).

Misconception? Seems like you either haven't read all the Battle of Gods interviews up on Kanzenshuu, or are you assuming Toriyama is a liar? Watanabe was officially the script writer, but from everything we know, it seems he basically just adapted what Toriyama wrote into an official script format (then added in the Dragon Ball stealing subplot, which Toriyama had him change to Pilaf's gang anyway, just like which party they would be at and basically the whole evil-lizard-infecting-Saiyans-in-the-past-and-Goku's-friends-in-the-present-to-determine-what-a-real-hero-is plot).

I heard that this is the first time you’ve been deeply involved with the script of a movie; please tell us the reason.
The catalyst was that, first of all, when the script originally came to me, there was a lot of the sort of dialogue that only the creator would know, so I thought, “that bothers me”, and then this and that also started to get on my mind, and so rather than telling them to revise each individual thing, I thought it might be faster if I just wrote the script myself.

Feel free browse the others though. Click the Battle of Gods tag on the right and have field day: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/

Also,Toriyama did basically design basically all the characters himself (below). Yamamuro seems to have only ended up designing the original versions of Super Saiyan God Goku and Beerus, the characters that Toriyama didn't draw (like the celebrity cameos) and redrawing the main cast in his (generally crappy) style to use as references for the animators.

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From what I remember he did write "all of it" but only after the script was written and given to him to check (so "all of it" as in starting anew). So there could be things that remained while almost all of it is new from him.

Didn't they address that the only things that remained were the ideas of Hakaishin Beerus and Super Saiyan God, as well as indirectly talking about the fact that they would still be at a party (originally Kuririn and 18's wedding)?

We know he changed the overall plot from being about "what it takes to be a real hero" and Beerus infecting people with evil (eventually including Goku's friends), he changed the dialogue because he didn't feel like it was something he would write, etc. The only thing that is really arguable about rolling over from the previous version is the bit about Super Saiyan God needing the pure hearts and fighting evil Saiyans; which kinda feels odd in the current version of the film and yet would have really fit against Beerus' original role of infecting the race.

[RandomGuy96]

"Tarble's a walking incoherence!" *makes invinciBroly*

Yeah, that can pretty much be used to refute the majority of statements he makes.

"I follow the manga unlike GT" *makes invinciBroly*

"Pure Buu is too crazy to be in the tournament" *makes invinciBroly*

"It's too absurd that Chi Chi/Yajirobe/Mr. Satan/whoever could become a powerful fighter" *makes invinciBroly*

"I'm not a Broly fan boy" *makes invinciBroly*

[TheGmGoken]

"It's too absurd that Chi Chi/Yajirobe/Mr. Satan/whoever could become a powerful fighter"

Wait he said that

[KentalSSJ6]

Yeah...Multiverse needs a change in management.

[Tzigi]

"Tarble's a walking incoherence!" *makes invinciBroly*

Could you elaborate on this topic? How is invinciBroly incoherent?

[Marco Polo]

lol @ excluding Tarble because he's an incoherence. If Salagir really wanted to exclude incoherences, he should have excluded half of the content of the official DB manga written by Toriyama. Because half of it definitely is filled with incoherences.

The real reason he doesn't want Tarble in DBM is that he doesn't like him. It could just have said that instead of coming up with bullshit excuses.

[Cetra]

Yes, Dragon ball Multiverse is full of mistakes. So are the official things. But I don't think that is a problem. The only thing I don't like is stuff like "I made this because that was full of mistakes" as if someone can do it bettter when in the end it is not done better in terms of mistakes.

[rereboy]

"Tarble's a walking incoherence!" *makes invinciBroly*

Yeah, that can pretty much be used to refute the majority of statements he makes.

"I follow the manga unlike GT" *makes invinciBroly*

You misunderstand him. He's simply saying that he doesn't feel the need to follow the events of filler or the logic of filler, but he feels the need to follow the events and logic of the manga. What he's basically saying is that, besides what we see happening in the manga, he feels free to change and come up with anything he likes and that he feels that GT used filler and situations that contradicted the events and logic of the manga. And, IMO, he only failed to do this with Cold.

Also, Broly was defeated in every single fight in DBM (except in universe 20). How exactly is he invincible then...?

"Pure Buu is too crazy to be in the tournament" *makes invinciBroly*

Obviously, one crazy type character was already enough and since the tournament already had Majin Buu and Zen Buu, and Broly to be the crazy type, there really was no room for pure buu.

Again with the invinciBroly mention? A little obsessed are we?

It's too absurd that Chi Chi/Yajirobe/Mr. Satan/whoever could become a powerful fighter" *makes invinciBroly*

Chi Chi and Yajirobe obviously don't have the right mindset to become very powerful, so, unless that changed, yes, it would be somewhat absurd, and Mr. Satan simply doesn't have the potential. Broly, as the legendary super saiyan, pretty much has unrivaled potential so he obviously is a much logical choice to be a very powerful fighter in the tournament.

Also, bla bla invinciBroly even though he lost nearly every fight in DBM

"I'm not a Broly fan boy" *makes invinciBroly*

He used a popular character that he knew would attract a lot of viewers and messed around with what the Legendary super saiyan is and how it works so that he could showcase Vegetto and have Broly be owned once again. Obviously a fanboy, right? Your hate and partial view regarding DBM and Broly are so obvious and predicable...

[Malik_DBNA]

Misconception? Seems like you either haven't read all the Battle of Gods interviews up on Kanzenshuu, or are you assuming Toriyama is a liar? Watanabe was officially the script writer, but from everything we know, it seems he basically just adapted what Toriyama wrote into an official script format (then added in the Dragon Ball stealing subplot, which Toriyama had him change to Pilaf's gang anyway, just like which party they would be at and basically the whole evil-lizard-infecting-Saiyans-in-the-past-and-Goku's-friends-in-the-present-to-determine-what-a-real-hero-is plot).

Also,Toriyama did basically design basically all the characters himself (below). Yamamuro seems to have only ended up designing the original versions of Super Saiyan God Goku and Beerus, the characters that Toriyama didn't draw (like the celebrity cameos) and redrawing the main cast in his (generally crappy) style to use as references for the animators.

I read most of the translations of those interviews, but it seems I did miss a few ^_^ However, reading through them, I still don't see anything that says "You wrote the script". I see a lot of "you were involved in the script writing...". Everything I'm reading seems to implicate that Toriyama edited the script when they brought it to him and he was responsible for the final draft.

But I do thank you for the character artwork correction. Preesh! I just knew of Yamamuro's designs being ones used frequently in the movies, as he designed several of the movie villains. Super Janemba comes to mind.

[RandomGuy96]

You misunderstand him. He's simply saying that he doesn't feel the need to follow the events of filler or the logic of filler, but he feels the need to follow the events and logic of the manga. What he's basically saying is that, besides what we see happening in the manga, he feels free to change and come up with anything he likes and that he feels that GT used filler and situations that contradicted the events and logic of the manga. And, IMO, he only failed to do this with Cold.

Also, Broly was defeated in every single fight in DBM (except in universe 20). How exactly is he invincible then...?

But he doesn't do that. In the events of the manga, there is no Broly. In the events of the manga, Babidi can't drain his minions for energy. In the events of the manga, Cold is weaker than Freeza.

Broly is a character who simply does not fit anywhere in the manga, and who's stories contradict the events regardless of whether or not he writes fan fiction about them to make Broly fit. For example, why would Goku not even consider using the Genki-Dama if a much weaker one worked on invinciBroly? Why did the Earth heroes decide to just go out to the middle of Buttfuck, Nowhere, when Cell was right there? Why didn't Goku mention Broly at all at Babidi's ship, instead just saying they defeated Cell? How would the lower-tier villain universes survive at all? Heck, why can Broly maintain a transformation unconscious while no one else can?

It just reeks of favoritism. Broly was never part of the manga nor could he even be hypothetically part of the main story, like the villains whose movies contradict little to nothing, but Salagir wrote him in anyway, gave him tons of bullshit new abilities, and gave his reasoning for it as just him liking a character. The same statement also implies he wanted to have a foe for Vegetto to fight, but not only was that pretty much an afterthought to him, but there were much less stupid contenders than Broly... and he didn't even need to have Vegetto have a big battle, he could have just given him a joke fight or a one-shot knockout like the other high tier fighters so far.

He's invincible because the author stated him to be literally invulnerable as a LSS, and growing in power every second. Not even SS3 Vegetto's strongest attack even seriously wounds him. That's complete and utter bullshit.

Obviously, one crazy type character was already enough and since the tournament already had Majin Buu and Zen Buu, and Broly to be the crazy type, there really was no room for pure buu.

Again with the invinciBroly mention? A little obsessed are we?

Then why not Janemba? Or just anyone other than this over muscled, over hyped, screaming piece of shit? Oh right, that wouldn't work, because "Broly is cool".

Chi Chi and Yajirobe obviously don't have the right mindset to become very powerful, so, unless that changed, yes, it would be somewhat absurd, and Mr. Satan simply doesn't have the potential. Broly, as the legendary super saiyan, pretty much has unrivaled potential so he obviously is a much logical choice to be a very powerful fighter in the tournament.

Also, bla bla invinciBroly even though he lost nearly every fight in DBM

AU versions aren't supposed to have the same personalities. Nothing says Mr. Satan has any less potential than Krillin or Tenshinhan if he set his mind to it. And it's absurd to change their personalities a bit but not absurd to make Broly stronger than Vegetto with the only justification being "he gets stronger every second of existence, because he just just does"?

He used a popular character that he knew would attract a lot of viewers and messed around with what the Legendary super saiyan is and how it works so that he could showcase Vegetto and have Broly be owned once again. Obviously a fanboy, right? Your hate and partial view regarding DBM and Broly are so obvious and predicable...

Yes, obviously a fan boy, because he outright stated himself that the reason he did it is because he thinks Broly is cool. I don't even care about his supposed motivations for bringing in more Broly fanboys to read his comic, even if that is what he was actually going for. If that is the case, all he did was give them more fuel at the cost of the quality of his own comic.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Well, I think that Broli is cool, but I wouldn't call myself a Broli fanboy.