Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[Kaboom]

Yeah, Vegeta would only be 180,000 as an Oozaru if he transformed while fresh and with a full moon. When we saw him do it in the Saiyan arc, he was not only a bit beaten up and probably not at full power as a result, but also expended some power creating the false moon as he noted himself.

Combine that with Goku saying not even a Kaio-Ken x5 could match him, and Oozaru Vegeta is just "somewhere between 40,000 and 180,000."

[DBZGTKOSDH]

This looks like a mess, but let's see...

Saiyan arc Vegeta: Like others said, he isn't at 25.000. It's an established fact that Vegeta was at 18.000, and 180.000 as an Oozaru.

Don't think so, Vegeta was confirmed to be weaker before he turned.

I mean at full power.

[Saiga]

Yeah, Vegeta would only be 180,000 as an Oozaru if he transformed while fresh and with a full moon. When we saw him do it in the Saiyan arc, he was not only a bit beaten up and probably not at full power as a result, but also expended some power creating the false moon as he noted himself.

Combine that with Goku saying not even a Kaio-Ken x5 could match him, and Oozaru Vegeta is just "somewhere between 40,000 and 180,000."

Goku might not have still been at 8,000 when he said that though, making the gap even more unclear!

[KentalSSJ6]

Got another power level sheet for you guys to review.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/132164593 ... 1222887298

[RandomGuy96]

The only thing "right" about that post is his fairly reasonable placement for base Goku, correctly identifying the strength relation between Godku/Beerus/Whis, and the Super Saiyan multipliers.

Beyond that, he doesn't seem to have any idea what he's talking about:

Now with this we look at the facts Goku ssj3 was 36billion and yet Beerus knocked him out with one simple hit . I'm going to assume that here he used less than 1% of his power . After Goku had gotten up from his defeat at the hands of Beerus He trained hard on king kais planet becuase he wanted to be able to beat Beerus. One can only assume by the time he went to Earth Goku has become more powerful than he was in their last fight otherwise there would had been no point in showing him training .

One, no proof he used 1%. Two, people don't get noticeably stronger that fast.

I do not know the power boost from the SSJG transformation I cant even imagine how strong he must have gotten I mean SSJG form is the strongest form there is in my opinion . what other reason would it get such a powerful name .

Three... the strongest name? Really? I mean, I guess he's right about SSG being the strongest form, but he doesn't seem to know why, and strictly speaking we don't know if it's stronger than SS4 at all.

most dont agree on this because of the fact that they feel
Z Goku ssj3 = GT Goku base
and a lot of people use the example of Goku stating that General Rildo was as powerful as Majin Buu and he fought him in base form. I'd like to point out something here Goku ssj3 in Z outclassed Majin Buu . The only reason he didnt destroy him using this form is because it ate away at the time he had on earth he would have just vanished back to otherworld had he continued much longer. Instead he decided to teach Trunks and Goten the fusion dance and have them learn that .

Four: I presume he's talking about Goku's scuffle with Fat Buu here, but he completely gets Goku's reason for quitting the fight wrong. As Goku later said, he wanted the kids to clean up his mess rather than take care of it himself, because Gotenks was strong to do it and he felt that he didn't have to/shouldn't keep saving the world.

Proof of my theory that he would have lost his time and vanished is when the boys made him show them the SSJ3 after that goku ran out of time . Now had he said Kid Buu which far outclassed Majin Buu and goku defeated using ssj3 form then yes that would make sense BUT he didn't . with that being said we can conclude that GT goku being as powerful as Z Goku at base is just an assumption and an uneducated one at that .

Five, and this is a big one: he seems to be under the impression that "Majin Buu" is the name of the fat, child-like one that killed Vegeta and eventually befriended Mr. Satan. Majin Buu is just the name of the pink demon in general across all of his incarnations, starting with his original creation by Bibidi, and going through many forms after that. Pure Buu and Fat Buu are both "Majin Buu", as is Super Buu, Evil Buu, Good Buu, Mr. Buu, etc. I can't help but think he got this impression from video games or something, because he uses this as his main point for Goku not being that strong ("if he had said Kid Buu that'd be one thing, but he said Majin Buu"). But heck, even if that statement DID refer specifically to the fat one, it wouldn't make much difference, as the fat one is far less than x2 weaker than Pure Buu, going by their battle, and Rildo is STRONGER than him, so base Goku would still about as strong as his SS3 self.

Now another thing EVERYONE should take into consideration is the fact that GT is in fact in an alternate universe . The events in Gt did not happen in the actual DBZ timeline nor did the events in BOG happen in GT . My opinion is that BOG takes the place of GT in the Z storyline .With that being said we can consider the fact that the Gt characters never faced Beerus or experianced God mode. We can also consider the fact that MAYBE Majn Buu was weaker in GTs time line ! lol I'm just saying its possible kinda just pulling your guys chain on that one but it is possible . Anyways back to what I was saying because it is an alternate time line and BOG didnt happen before GT it is very possible that BOG > GT.

I don't remember any of this being stated anywhere, and unless I'm mistaken, didn't a guidebook actually state that BOG and GT DID take place in the same timeline?

Lets not forget to mention even at SSJG mode Goku couldnt defeat Beerus. Akira himself said on a simplified god PL ranking Goku would be a 6 Beerus a 10 and Whis 15 . So Whis and Beerus are still a lot more powerful the Goku . Akira also mentioned that during the battle with Beerus Goku was growing in power and by the end of it they were fighting at an almost eqaul level From that we can assume Goku increased to maybe a 9 by the end of the fight . Then we have the fact that Goku absorbed the SSJG power along with Beerus's final attack . so goku was already much stronger then not to mention the boost hes going to get from getting his tail whipped .

"Akira" never said that second thing.

Also, he didn't really "absorb" the attack so much as cancel it out, he wasn't injured so badly as to be near death, and even if he was, zenkais don't happen anymore.

you can dispute all you want but this one is actually pretty spot on in facts .

Nope...

[Polyphase Avatron]

Hey guys, what's your opinion on Jaco's power level? From the chapters I saw I would guess maybe 70?

[dbgtFO]

Hey guys, what's your opinion on Jaco's power level? From the chapters I saw I would guess maybe 70?

I put him at 20.
There isn't much to go on, but considering he didn't have much trouble lifting his spaceship compared to Goku struggling with Bulma's car, I'd say he was decently stronger than Goku was then.

Of course his spaceship might be much lighter than Bulma's car.

[Kaboom]

I somewhat arbitrarily put him at an even 500. He's supposedly strong enough to handle Saiyan kids, but average Saiyan adults are too much for him. So I used Goku's power level as a kid and young adult against Raditz as a measuring stick for "below average."

[Polyphase Avatron]

He also knocked out that giant shark in one punch and threw a rock over the horizon to destroy that boat.

However he doesn't seem as strong as Master Roshi.

[Mjb1985]

I always have been interested in comparing the early DB animals to the humans.
I think its pretty clear that the giant Great White Shark, the Triceratops and the T-Rex were all superior to ( In Training ) Goku and Kuririn. I don't get the feeling that Roshi feared them as his students did but I'm not quite sure how to place then. Perhaps Gyumao level is appropriate?

[KentalSSJ6]

I always have been interested in comparing the early DB animals to the humans.
I think its pretty clear that the giant Great White Shark, the Triceratops and the T-Rex were all superior to ( In Training ) Goku and Kuririn. I don't get the feeling that Roshi feared them as his students did but I'm not quite sure how to place then. Perhaps Gyumao level is appropriate?

Chi-Chi was able to easily decapitate a T-rex as a child though. Yeah her helmet may be super sharp or something but its clear she has the physical power to sever the neck of a giant dinosaur. I think their fear of dinosaurs is more or less played up for dramatic/comedic effect.

[RandomGuy96]

It's pure gag logic. Goku was one-shotting 40 foot tall bears in the last arc.

I think the Ox-King is seriously underestimated. The filler scenes of him smashing tanks alone should put him above at least most of the 21st Budokai IMO.

[Saiga]

And now for something completely random - Super Saiyan Goku is given a power level of 190,000,000 on one of the cards http://www.amazon.com/Bandai-Shokugan-N ... l+scouters which is an official Bandai product. It's a fairly low estimate for Android arc Goku, but it's official and tempting to actually use myself.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I hate to burst your bubble dude, but if you zoom in as close as possible, that's a 130,000,000. lol

[Saiga]

Sick Goku's power level then.

[RandomGuy96]

It looks like it also gives Ginyu-Goku's power level at 230,000...

[Darkron2151]

Ok, first post on this website. Let's start off with a power level list, shall we?

Power Levels List- DBZ

POWER MULTIPLIERS
Oozaru: 10x
Super Saiyan: 50x
Super Saiyan Grade 2: 75x
Super Saiyan Grade 3: 100x
Super Saiyan 2: 100x
Super Saiyan 3: 400x

Fusion Dance: 75(A)
Potara Fusion: 5-10,000(A+B) (Depending on People)

Saiyan Arc:

Arrival of Raditz

Goku (Weighted): 334
No Weights: 416
Kamehameha/Full Power: 924

Piccolo (Weighted): 322
No Weights: 408
Makankosappo #1: 1,330
Makankosappo #2: 1,480

Gohan: 1
Upset: 710
Enraged: 1,307

Raditz: 1,500

Krillin: 206
Tenshinhan: 250
Yamcha: 177
Chaozu: 144

Kaiō-sama : 3,500

Arrival of Nappa and Vegeta

Goku (Suppressed): 5,000
Full Power: 8,000
Kaio-Ken x2: 16,000
Kaio-Ken x3: 24,000
Kaio-Ken x4/Kamehameha: 32,000
Weakened: 3,200
Injured: 32
Spirit Bomb #1: 160,000
Spirit Bomb #2: 8,000

Gohan: 981
Enraged Masenko: 2,800
Weakened: 654
Oozaru: 6,540

Piccolo (Suppressed): 1,220
Full Power: 3,500

Krillin (Suppressed): 1,083
Full Power: 1,770
Tenshinhan: 1830
Yamcha: 1,480
Chaozu: 610
Yajirobe: 970

(6) Saibamen: 1,200

Nappa: 4,000

Vegeta: 18,000
Galick-Gun: 24,000
Weakened: 12,000
Weakened/Post-Moon: 8,000
Oozaru: 80,000
Weakened….Again: 4,000
Injured/Near Death: 20

Freeza Arc:

Arrival to Namek

Gohan: 1,400
Grand Elder Boost: 14,000

Krillin: 1,770
Grand Elder Boost: 13,000

Nail: 42,000
Guru: 120

Vegeta: 24,000
Zenkai: 30,000

Cui: 18,000
Appule: 2,000
Dodoria: 22,000
Zarbon: 23,000
Transformed: 30,000

Average Namekian Warrior: 3,000
Average Soldier of Frieza: 1,500-1,800

Freeza (First form): 530,000

Ginyu Squad Smackdown

Gohan: 14,000
Power Rising: 20,000

Krillin: 13,000
Power Rising: 19,500

Vegeta: 30,000
Zenkai: 480,000

Guldo: 10,000
Recoome: 40,000
Butta: 42,000
Jheese: 42,000

Captain Ginyu: 120,000
Ginyu-Goku: 23,000

Goku (Suppressed): 5,000
Full Power: 90,000
Kaio-Ken x2: 180,000

Freeza Fight

Gohan (Power Risen): 100,000
Enraged: 1,000,000
Zenkai: 200,000
Enraged/Masenko: 1,600,000

Krillin (Power Risen): 75,000

Vegeta: 480,000
Zenkai: 2,240,000

Nail: 42,000
Dying: 42

Piccolo (Weighted): 300,000
Nail-Fusion/Weighted: 1,200,000
Nail-Fusion/Full Power: 1,500,000

Freeza (First Form): 530,000
Second Form/Initial: 1,060,000
Second Form/Power Up #1: 1,325,000
Second Form/Power Up #2: 1,590,000
Third Form: 2,120,000
True Form-3%: 3,600,000
True Form-5%: 6,000,000
True Form-50%: 60,000,000
True Form-70%: 84,000,000
True Form-100%: 120,000,000
True-Form-100% (Weakened): 96,000,000

Goku: 3,000,000
Kaio-Ken x2: 6,000,000
Kaio-Ken x10: 30,000,000
Kaio-Ken x20/Kamehameha: 60,000,000
Super Saiyan: 150,000,000

Cell Arc:

Mecha Freeza Gets Scrapped

Gohan: 300,000

Piccolo (Weighted): 2,880,000
Full Power: 3,000,000

Vegeta: 2,800,000

Krillin: 90,000
Tenshinhan: 60,000
Yamcha: 40,000
Chaozu: 12,000

Mecha Freeza (Suppressed): 4,500,000
Full Power: 150,000,000

King Cold (Suppressed): 4,500,000
Full Power: 90,000,000

Future Trunks (Suppressed): 5
Full Base Power: 3,500,000
Super Saiyan: 175,000,000

Goku: 3,600,000
Super Saiyan: 180,000,000

Trunks’ Time

Future Gohan (Two Arms): 2,400,000
Super Saiyan: 120,000,000
Future Gohan (One Arm): 3,300,000
Super Saiyan: 165,000,000

Future Trunks (14 Years Old): 60,000
Super Saiyan: 3,000,000

Future Android 17: 281,250,000
Future Android 18: 262,500,000

Android Attack

Goku: 5,400,000
Super Saiyan: 270,000,000
Super Saiyan (Sick): 225,000,000
Super Saiyan (Sick/Energy Drained): 45,000,000

Vegeta: 5,600,000
Super Saiyan: 280,000,000
Super Saiyan (Energy Drained): 240,000,000
Big Bang Attack: 300,000,000
Super Saiyan (Outta Juice): 70,000,000

Piccolo (Suppressed): 10,000,000
Full Power: 150,000,000

Future Trunks: 4,200,000
Super Saiyan: 210,000,000

Gohan: 3,200,000

Krillin: 2,250,000
Tenshinhan: 1,800,000
Yamcha: 1,000,000
Chaozu: 360,000

Android 19: 50,000,000
Energy Absorbed: 150,000,000
More Energy Absorbed: 190,000,000

Android 20: 75,000,000
Energy Absorbed: 90,000,000
More Energy Absorbed: 100,000,000

Android 17: 375,000,000
Android 18: 350,000,000

Android 16: 500,000,000

Cell on the Hunt

Piccolo (Kami-Fusion): 375,000,000
Weakened: 300,000,000
Light Grenade: 450,000,000

Android 17: 375,000,000
Android 18: 350,000,000

Android 16: 500,000,000

Imperfect Cell (Initial): 300,000,000
Humans Absorbed: 500,000,000
Semi-Perfect Cell (Suppressed): 750,000,000

Tenshinhan: 1,800,000
Shin Kikoho (Haxed): 360,000,000

Saiyans Emerge

Vegeta: 16,800,000
Super Saiyan: 840,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2: 1,260,000,000
Final Flash: 2,520,000,000

Future Trunks: 16,000,000
Super Saiyan: 800,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2: 1,200,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3: 1,600,000,000

Semi-Perfect Cell (Suppressed): 750,000,000
Full Power: 875,000,000
Perfect Cell (Suppressed):1,500,000,000
Bulked Up/Suppressed: 1,875,000,000

Cell Games

Goku: 60,000,000
Super Saiyan (Suppressed): 600,000,000
Super Saiyan (50% Power): 1,500,000,000
Super Saiyan (Full Power): 3,000,000,000
Super Saiyan (Weakened): 1,200,000,000

Gohan: 70,000,000
Super Saiyan (Suppressed): 525,000,000
Super Saiyan (Full Power): 3,500,000,000
Super Saiyan (Enraged): 4,200,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 7,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 (Enraged): 8,750,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 (Enraged/Injured): 4,375,000,000

Vegeta: 42,000,000
Super Saiyan: 2,100,000,000
Super Saiyan (Enraged): 3,150,000,000

Future Trunks: 40,000,000
Super Saiyan: 2,000,000,000

Piccolo: 1,200,000,000

Krillin: 2,250,000
Tenshinhan: 1,800,000
Yamcha: 1,000,000

Mr. Satan: 12

Perfect Cell (Suppresed): 1,500,000,000
Power Up Against Goku: 3,000,000,000
Power Up Against Gohan: 3,750,000,000
Full Power: 5,000,000,000
Bulked Up: 6,250,000,000
Super Perfect Cell: 8,750,000,000

(7) Cell Jr.: 2,400,000,000

Trunks’ Return


Future Trunks: 40,000,000
Super Saiyan: 2,000,000,000
Future Trunks (3 Years Later): 50,000,000
Super Saiyan: 2,500,000,000


Future Android 17: 281,250,000
Future Android 18: 262,500,000

Future Imperfect Cell (Humans): 500,000,000

Buu Arc

The Great Saiyaman/World Tournament

Gohan: 56,000,000
Super Saiyan: 2,800,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 5,600,000,000
(Super Saiyan 2 (Enraged): 7,000,000,000)

Vegeta: 67,500,000
Super Saiyan: 3,375,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 6,750,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 (Majin): 9,000,000,000
Final Explosion: 27,000,000,000

Goten: 40,000,000
Super Saiyan: 2,000,000,000
Trunks: 44,000,000
Super Saiyan: 2,200,000,000

Goku: 90,000,000
Super Saiyan: 4,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 9,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 (Holding Back): 28,800,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 (Full Power): 36,000,000,000

Piccolo: 1,500,000,000

Krillin: 2,025,000
Android 18: 350,000,000
Yamcha: 900,000

Videl: 15
Ki Control: 30
Mr. Satan: 12

East Kai: 1,800,000,000
Kibito: 50,000,000

Spopovich: 45
Yamu: 50

Pui Pui: 2,000,000
Yakon: 80,000,000
Bobbidi: 10
Dabura: 4,800,000,000

Fat Buu (Hatched): 8,000,000,000
Power Up: 24,000,000,000

The Many Faces of Buu

Fat Buu: 24,000,000,000
Power Up (Splitting): 60,000,000,000
Mr. Buu: 20,000,000,000
Evil Buu: 40,000,000,000
Super Buu: 1,200,000,000,000

Goten: 40,000,000
Trunks: 44,000,000

Gotenks: 2,400,000,000
Super Saiyan: 120,000,000,000

Fusion Rocks!!

Goten: 48,000,000
Super Saiyan: 2,500,000,000
Trunks: 52,000,000
Super Saiyan: 2,600,000,000

Gotenks: 3,600,000,000
Super Saiyan: 180,000,000,000
(Super Saiyan 2: 360,000,000,000)
Super Saiyan 3: 1,440,000,000,000

Gohan (Z-Sword Training): 90,000,000
(Super Saiyan: 4,500,000,000)
(Super Saiyan 2: 9,000,000,000)
Ultimate: 1,800,000,000,000

Super Buu: 1,200,000,000,000
Super Buu (Gotenks Absorbed): 2,640,000,000,000
Super Buu (Piccolo Absorbed): 1,201,500,000,000
Super Buu (Gohan Absorbed): 3,000,000,000,000

East Kaioshin: 1,800,000,000
Kibito: 50,000,000

Kibitoshin: 9,250,000,000

Tenshinhan: 2,000,000

Goku: 90,000,000
Super Saiyan: 4,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 9,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3: 36,000,000,000
Spirit Bomb: 90,000,000,000

Vegeta: 90,000,000
Super Saiyan: 4,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 9,000,000,000

Vegetto: 1,800,000,000,000
Super Saiyan: 90,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 180,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3: 720,000,000,000,000

Swole Buu: 1,500,000,000,000
Pure Buu: 36,000,000,000

Dai Kaioshin: 4,000,000,000

South Kaioshin: 24,000,000,000
West Kaioshin: 3,600,000,000
North Kaioshin: 3,000,000,000

Mr. Buu: 20,000,000,000

Mr. Satan: 12

Battle of Gods

Goku: 108,000,000
Super Saiyan: 5,400,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 10,800,000,000
Super saiyan 3: 43,200,000,000
Super Saiyan (Power Absorbed): 32,400,000,000
Super Saiyan God (80%): 864,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan God (Full Power): 1,080,000,000,000,000

Vegeta: 100,000,000
Super Saiyan: 5,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 10,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 (Enraged): 50,000,000,000

Gohan: 1,800,000,000,000

Goten: 52,000,000
Trunks: 56,000,000

Gotenks: 3,900,000,000
Super Saiyan: 195,000,000,000
(Super Saiyan 3: 1,560,000,000,000)

Mr. Buu: 20,000,000,000

Beerus (Suppressed): 18,000,000,000,000
70%: 1,620,000,000,000,000
(Full Power: 1,800,000,000,000,000)

Whis (Suppressed): 27,000,000,000,000
(Full Power: 2,700,000,000,000,000)

End of DBZ

Goku: 120,000,000
(God Power: 1,080,000,000,000,000)

Vegeta: 112,500,000
Super Saiyan 3 (If only...): 45,000,000,000

Goten: 55,000,000
Trunks: 60,000,000

Gohan: 1,800,000,000,000
Pan: 600,000

Piccolo: 2,000,000,000

Mr. Buu: 20,000,000,000
Mr. Satan: 10
Videl: 20

Uub: 10
Enraged: 100,000,000
Enraged Kiai: 36,000,000,000
*I believe he only unleashed Pure Buu power during the kiai*

Hope y'all like it!!

[Polyphase Avatron]

Why does 16 randomly get weaker?

[KentalSSJ6]

Why does 16 randomly get weaker?

Well at least the Saiyans aren't within the Billions range while in base form.

[Kaboom]

Why does 16 randomly get weaker?

Darkron may have changed his power in one section but forgot to change it in the other. Happens to me all the time.

Anyway, I like the list. I personally appreciate the adherence to official numbers and lack of fussing over specific power gaps, and like Kental said, it's nice to see the later arcs' numbers not get bloated to a ridiculous extent for no good reason. In fact, the ranges of power where the Saiyans end up during Majin Boo are pretty similar to in my list.