Is Chi-Chi a bad mother (and wife)?

[ABED]

So is Kamina dad a bad father for taking his son to the surface where there's beastman and death? It's fine what she did. Her son turn out great.

Why would you assume I understand this reference?

You guys know parents steering their child to the occupation they think is best is normal, right? I don't know why people act like she should treat Gohan like an adult when he's 5.

Normal doesn't equal good. Not every parent does it, and letting him make up his own mind isn't the same thing as treating him as an adult. In fact he shouldn't have to think of his occupation, he's four when we meet him.

doesn't mean she did something wrong with Gohan. She just did better with Goten.

There's a huge difference between using a parent for help, and another to either abnegate the responsibility to choose one's choice of career. It comes off like she chose it for him, and that's a horrible thing. It's not her life. The fact that some kids end up "liking" the profession chosen by their parent(s) is irrelevant. Lastly, I don't see your point that she did better, but didn't do anything wrong with Gohan. No parenthood doesn't require one to be perfect, but choosing a career for a child is wrong.

[Cursed Lemon]

Our mothers are different. My mom different from your mom.

Oh no he DIDN'T.

[Gaffer Tape]

They generalise it once they see more people like him and assume every green being to being Piccolo. That's highly racist of them to do.

You remember Son when he first saw God he thought that was Piccolo do you not?

Sigh. Racism? First of all, when did Chichi ever show any feeling about any other Namekians besides Piccolo? Ever? Because it never happened. Of course she (and most everyone else) didn't like Piccolo. He took over the world. She personally watched him blow a hole through her husband's chest, break his limbs, and try to kill him. Five years later, she wasn't present for it, but she is most likely aware that Piccolo DID kill her husband. Surprise, surprise, the idea of her son looking up to that guy as a mentor figure is a little unsettling. It's hard to expect someone who's witnessed such things to be all detached and philosophical about it.

As for your second point, of course Goku thought God was Piccolo. That was the entire point of that scene. They're supposed to look the same because they ARE the same person.

[MediaFanGirl93]

There's a huge difference between using a parent for help, and another to either abnegate the responsibility to choose one's choice of career. It comes off like she chose it for him, and that's a horrible thing. It's not her life. The fact that some kids end up "liking" the profession chosen by their parent(s) is irrelevant. Lastly, I don't see your point that she did better, but didn't do anything wrong with Gohan. No parenthood doesn't require one to be perfect, but choosing a career for a child is wrong.

Well, in regards to a parent choosing a child's career, this probably reminds me of my parents.

I actually had two tiger parents who are African (it's not just Japanese parents who are like this) They either wanted me to be a doctor or a lawyer, and strictly opposed anything of fine arts or sports. Now that I'm an adult, my mother finally relaxed and pretty much allows my brothers and I to do any career we want.

In my opinion, Chi-Chi choosing Gohan's profession of being a scholar doesn't come off has her trying to be overbearing or living her life through Gohan. It's her being naive because she never had a mother nor an education, so she probably doesn't know what she's doing is wrong. It's only when Goku dies when she realizes she's being too pushy with Gohan and she relaxes with Goten. I see Chi-Chi being a school mom as a learning experience for her.

[TheGmGoken]

Why would you assume I understand this reference

You don't need to have watch TTGL for the reference. I included that the surface had death and Kamina was taken there once(which implies he wasn't from there)

. It comes off like she chose it for him, and that's a horrible thing. It's not her life. The fact that some kids end up "liking" the profession chosen by their parent(s) is irrelevant. Lastly, I don't see your point that she did better, but didn't do anything wrong with Gohan. No parenthood doesn't require one to be perfect, but choosing a career for a child is wrong.

It's only come off like that because its exgerrated. Most of it wasn't it manga. Once again many cultures and areas STILL chooses your job FOR you. Gohan seemed happy to be a scholar on cover pages. "Hello, nice to meet you. I'm Son Gohan, when I grow up I want to be a scholar". That's from Korean manga not sure the exact words in English or Japanese. You only think it's wrong cause you're not used to it. Hell I'm still curious why most races eyes are considered normal. They look weird to me. Because I'm use to different type of eyes.

Again, if only he was one but nope, there were more of them and they're named "Piccolos".

It's no different if Piccolo was a Mexican or Black and then they'd hate all of them.

They didn't know known there was Namek race. Basically Piccolo and "Kami" are twins. That's not racist. Did they call Dende Piccolo? No they said he looked like him. Did they call Grand Elder Piccolo? Nope

[dbboxkaifan]

Other still assumed they were like Piccolo due to the colour of their skin, there's no denying that if they looked different (colour) then they wouldn't have been with this problem towards others.

Anyway, Chichi is not what you'd call necessarily a decent mother but then again she's not horrible, just about okay. Poor Son was forced to marry her due to the promise he made.

[TheGmGoken]

Other still assumed they were like Piccolo due to the colour of their skin, there's no denying that if they looked different (colour) then they wouldn't have been with this problem towards others.

Anyway, Chichi is not what you'd call necessarily a decent mother but then again she's not horrible, just about okay. Poor Son was forced to marry her due to the promise he made.

What are you talking about with this Namek shit? Seriously I'm confused. What does this has to do with anything involve parents hood. Chi Chi isn't a decent parent. She's a wonderful mom.

[dbboxkaifan]

What are you talking about with this Namek shit? Seriously I'm confused. What does this has to do with anything involve parents hood. Chi Chi isn't a decent parent. She's a wonderful mom.

Because she assumed due to being green that they were all the same and Chichi a wonderful mother? Not in a million years.

[Gaffer Tape]

Other still assumed they were like Piccolo due to the colour of their skin, there's no denying that if they looked different (colour) then they wouldn't have been with this problem towards others.

Who 'others'? And what is this about the color of their skin? While the term race is bandied about in regards to other humanoids, it isn't really the same thing. These are not humans/Earthlings with a different melanin count. They are an entirely different order of being. And the only association people had with that order of being was in the form of a demon trying to subjugate them, and not because they're "racist" but because that's what he said and did. When they saw another "demon" (God) who was identical to Piccolo, they naturally assumed he was Piccolo, but as soon as they found out he was God, no one ever made his appearance an issue. EVER.

And there is not a single time anyone ever treated a Namekian differently or held one responsible for Piccolo's actions. The only time it's ever brought up is Yajirobe's brief shocked reaction to a planet of Piccolos, which is still understandable given their experience with them. Call it making a pre-judgment, but I doubt anyone would blame 17th century Africans for being a bit wary the SECOND time a European ship came a-calling. Sometimes it's better to play it safe. But even then, that's the only time it's ever mentioned. Beyond that very minor, understandable reaction, there is nothing here. Nothing.

Please, please stop trying to force a race issue where there is none. The Namekians are not black people, and Piccolo trying to take over the world is not a civil rights event.

Because she assumed due to being green that they were all the same

That never happened. Ever. Please stop saying that happened.

[TheGmGoken]

What are you talking about with this Namek shit? Seriously I'm confused. What does this has to do with anything involve parents hood. Chi Chi isn't a decent parent. She's a wonderful mom.

Because she assumed due to being green that they were all the same and Chichi a wonderful mother? Not in a million years.

Has she ever interacted with another Namek? Besides Piccolo has she talked bout them? Yes ChiChi is a great mom.

[Kamiccolo9]

What are you talking about with this Namek shit? Seriously I'm confused. What does this has to do with anything involve parents hood. Chi Chi isn't a decent parent. She's a wonderful mom.

Because she assumed due to being green that they were all the same and Chichi a wonderful mother? Not in a million years.

Who are you talking about with this Namek stuff? Nevermind, it doesn't matter. Their whole experience with the Namekian race is them trying to enslave and kill everybody. If I had only ever met two people of a different race, and both had tried to kill me or people I loved, and was then dropped in the middle of a bunch of them, you're damn right I'd be "concerned." Seriously, think about it. As far as Chi-chi knows, there have been two different Namekians that have tried to take over the world, cripple and murder her husband, and the second one kidnapped her son. She is not in the wrong here.

[ABED]

Until the Freeza arc, they didn't know about the Namekian race. In fact the race they believed Piccolo and his father were part of was the Demon Clan.

You only think it's wrong cause you're not used to it.

No, it's wrong because you only have one life to live and it's immoral to have someone else choose what you do with your life. You spend the bulk of your life at work. It's not right that a parent chooses what you do for a living.

Chichi's not the worst mother/wife, but she's not good either. She's so-so.

You don't need to have watch TTGL for the reference. I included that the surface had death and Kamina was taken there once(which implies he wasn't from there)

I still don't understand the reference or how it's connected with DB. I don't eve know what TTGL stands for. Next time, pick a far less obscure title.

[Gaffer Tape]

Until the Freeza arc, they didn't know about the Namekian race. In fact the race they believed Piccolo and his father were part of was the Demon Clan.

Well, they were part of the demon clan, so it's not unsurprising they would believe that.

[ABED]

Until the Freeza arc, they didn't know about the Namekian race. In fact the race they believed Piccolo and his father were part of was the Demon Clan.

Well, they were part of the demon clan, so it's not unsurprising they would believe that.

Whoops, that should read "only race".

To the person who originally brought up this point, are you claiming Chichi is a racist? God I hope you're kidding.

[TheGmGoken]

No, it's wrong because you only have one life to live and it's immoral to have someone else choose what you do with your life. You spend the bulk of your life at work. It's not right that a parent chooses what you do for a living

As stated many times. That's your viewpoint cause you're not used to it. Many cultures and areas still believe this is right.

I still don't understand the reference or how it's connected with DB. I don't eve know what TTGL stands for. Next time, pick a far less obscure title

TTGL means Tengon Toppa Gurren Lagann. Aka the greatest anime series in the world. How was I suppose to know you never seen it? The reference was fatherhood. Was his dad a bad dad for putting his son in danger?

[ABED]

Please don't assume to know why I hold a certain POV, people's ideas aren't determined solely by their upbringing.

I'm not a multiculturalist or a moral relativist, just because a culture/person does something, that doesn't make it right.

TTGL means Tengon Toppa Gurren Lagann. Aka the greatest anime series in the world. How was I suppose to know you never seen it? The reference was fatherhood. Was his dad a bad dad for putting his son in danger?

You weren't clear, and there's a good chance I didn't see it, so that should factor into how you wrote your response so we could have a constructive dialog.

[TheGmGoken]

Please don't assume to know why I hold a certain POV, people's ideas aren't determined solely by their upbringing

It's true though. You just not used to the overall idea. You was taught or learned that's its your life.

I'm not a multiculturalist or a moral relativist, just because a culture/person does something

It does in that culture or area.

there's a good chance I didn't see it, so that should factor into how you wrote your response so we could have a constructive dialog.

There's a chance you didn't see any reference I could had made.

[ss4songoku]

I believe Chi chi is a wonderful wife and mother. Through all the times Goku pretty much abandoned her and her children to go off training she stood by him and took care of his children the best she could. She understood Goku as a person and had a ton of respect for the man. She knew he wasn't perfect by any means and at times acted very foolishly but the she wasn't too hard on him since he saved the world so many times and always came through in the end. Chi-Chi also raised Gohan very well and was the definition of a responsible mother. Sure she was overbearing with his studying but it's Dragonball it's meant to be funny and stereotypes are just that. Plus as a 2 dementional anime wife she's pretty hot lol.

[ABED]

Please don't assume to know why I hold a certain POV, people's ideas aren't determined solely by their upbringing

It's true though. You just not used to the overall idea. You was taught or learned that's its your life.

I'm not a multiculturalist or a moral relativist, just because a culture/person does something

It does in that culture or area.

there's a good chance I didn't see it, so that should factor into how you wrote your response so we could have a constructive dialog.

There's a chance you didn't see any reference I could had made.

It's not true, that's not why I hold that idea, and plenty of people choose their children's profession in America, and it's still wrong, and harmful. Instead of picking a career that's enjoyable and meaningful, their occupations get chosen for them. In some cases, it works out. That doesn't make it right. I don't come at this from a cultural perspective, it's about individuals. If morality is about making your life the best and happiest it can, how does someone else determining your career make sense? How would that make Chichi a good mother?

Chichi's a Tiger Mom, ergo she's not a great mother.

No, it doesn't in that culture, because morality isn't subjective.

In that case, explain in greater detail. You gave me a weak one sentence analogy without any context.

ss4songoku, how many times would you say Goku "abandoned his family to train"?

[KentalSSJ6]

Mine puts Chi-Chi to shame if that says anything.

....don't tell her I said that...please...