Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[jjgp1112]

And lets not forget how Dr. Gero killed that human, either.

[TheGmGoken]

I hate those no gos in that doujin, sorry. Never the manga/anime showed this form of violence against innocent women and children. And dead child lying far in the back of a panel and a beaten up Videl, yes. But not this.

Vegeta did this to Gurd, Zarbon, and 19. Nappa took Ten arm off. Babidu murder an family.

[RandomGuy96]

I hate those no gos in that doujin, sorry. Never the manga/anime showed this form of violence against innocent women and children. And dead child lying far in the back of a panel and a beaten up Videl, yes. But not this.

...innocent? I don't see any children dying here, and the "people" who are "dying" on this page aren't really being killed any more graphically than many villains were in the manga. Vegeta punched Guldo's head off (he didn't slice cleanly like in the anime, he just hit him so hard his head flew off) and impaled Zarbon on his fist, before scoffing at Zarbon while he begged for mercy, twisting it, and blasting him through the torso. If anything, what he did here is tame, since he just popped his cousin's head with an energy blast and insta-killed King Vegeta.

I'm glad that he's doing this, but I don't get why he even thought about it in the first place. I also doubt this is just because they are fake. He would have done the same thing if any member of his race, even his father, was in the way of something he wanted.

And lets not forget how Dr. Gero killed that human, either.

Or how Buu killed that gunman. Or how Babidi killed... anybody.

[Marco Polo]

I'm pretty sure you're all missing Cetra's point. Cetra isn't saying that the manga was never violent, he/she is saying that this form of violence was never displayed against women and children, as opposed to villains, monsters and one old guy. I don't see any children here so that part is moot, but the face of a non-villain woman is definitely getting blown up in the third panel.

I'm not even saying I agree with Cetra, mind you, I'm just paraphrasing what he/she said.

[RandomGuy96]

I'm pretty sure you're all missing Cetra's point. Cetra isn't saying that the manga was never violent, he/she is saying that this form of violence was never displayed against women and children, as opposed to villains, monsters and one old guy. I don't see any children here so that part is moot, but the face of a non-villain woman is definitely getting blown up in the third panel.

I'm not even saying I agree with Cetra, mind you, I'm just paraphrasing what he/she said.

What does it matter if the person getting killed is a woman?

Cetra said that "innocent women and children" were getting killed, even though that's not the case. No children are dying on this page (which wouldn't matter, children die in the manga all the time), and the only woman who is dying is by no means an innocent (well, the person she's based on wasn't).

[TheGmGoken]

I'm pretty sure you're all missing Cetra's point. Cetra isn't saying that the manga was never violent, he/she is saying that this form of violence was never displayed against women and children, as opposed to villains, monsters and one old guy. I don't see any children here so that part is moot, but the face of a non-villain woman is definitely getting blown up in the third panel.

I'm not even saying I agree with Cetra, mind you, I'm just paraphrasing what he/she said.

What does it matter if the person getting killed is a woman?

Because everything is sexist. For some reason everything is related to gender.

[Marco Polo]

What does it matter if the person getting killed is a woman?

I don't know, let's hear Cetra.

No children are dying on this page

Huh, I just said that.

[RandomGuy96]

What does it matter if the person getting killed is a woman?

I don't know, let's hear Cetra.

No children are dying on this page

Huh, I just said that.

Yeah, I know, I just wanted to repeat/emphasize how the statement was wrong.

[Cetra]

I hate those no gos in that doujin, sorry. Never the manga/anime showed this form of violence against innocent women and children. And dead child lying far in the back of a panel and a beaten up Videl, yes. But not this.

...innocent? I don't see any children dying here, and the "people" who are "dying" on this page aren't really being killed any more graphically than many villains were in the manga. Vegeta punched Guldo's head off (he didn't slice cleanly like in the anime, he just hit him so hard his head flew off) and impaled Zarbon on his fist, before scoffing at Zarbon while he begged for mercy, twisting it, and blasting him through the torso. If anything, what he did here is tame, since he just popped his cousin's head with an energy blast and insta-killed King Vegeta.

I'm glad that he's doing this, but I don't get why he even thought about it in the first place. I also doubt this is just because they are fake. He would have done the same thing if any member of his race, even his father, was in the way of something he wanted.

And lets not forget how Dr. Gero killed that human, either.

Or how Buu killed that gunman. Or how Babidi killed... anybody.

1. There was the famous scene of the Mirai Gohan special where a girl has been shown with a hole in her chest. That scene was never shown like this.
2. I don't see how Guldo, Zarbon, the guy that gets his head ripped off by Gero or others are children or women.
3. No, children"do no die often enough" in the manga. Children do die but it is never expressed in the way, it is shown with the likes of random men that just get blown into pieces. Akira Toriyama and Toei were very cautious in this concern.
3. Vegeta's cousin is very well, no matter if a Phantom Clone or not, "innocent". Yes, she is a Saiyajin. That is true. But in context with Vegeta she was just a caring woman. And that is the point. As well as the death of woman was never shown in the story like this.
5. Don't twist my words. I never said Dragon Ball is not violent and I never said no one died brutally. The criminal who attacked Mr. Satan or any other guy was not innocent and not a woman or child that has been shown as defenseless or innocent in a certan context. In fact the anime even tries to show you can depend on children and women not being shown to die the same way as those men, when they have shown Cell chasing a woman and a child and never let him absorb them as Kuririn saved them.
6. In no way this statement is wrong. I have 42 vol. and it is exactly like that. The only children who actually get beaten up are the main characters and even they are not shown to be killed like that. You can easily see which characters are shown to be brutally murdered. And those are never random children or women but some fat criminal men, some random guys who confront a villain or anything.
7. That I want no women to be shown as killed brutally is far from being sexist.

[TheGmGoken]

What does being a girl has to do with anything?

[Cetra]

What does being a girl has to do with anything?

The manga always worked like that. And many people just react to this the same way I do. Killing people is horrible always but showing certain people has a greater and different impact.

[TheGmGoken]

What does being a girl has to do with anything?

The manga always worked like that. And many people just react to this the same way I do. Killing people is horrible always but showing certain people has a greater and different impact.

What you saying? I'm honestly confused. Videl got the 2nd worst beating in the whole series.

[Cetra]

What does being a girl has to do with anything?

The manga always worked like that. And many people just react to this the same way I do. Killing people is horrible always but showing certain people has a greater and different impact.

What you saying? I'm honestly confused. Videl got the 2nd worst beating in the whole series.

I am sorry but I don't think you guys are actually reading what I say with exactly the context given. You need to use all I say and answer to the actually meant intention that lies within my comment, not just the parts you want to read that probably were not even mentioned or which are only a bit of the message. Otherwise we will not about the same thing. I even mentioned Videl. And Videl is not brutally murdered. Violence to her was shown in an incredibly cruel way but when it comes to crossing the line by killing her, and also in a very inhuman way (what is human about that anyway ...) and then also presenting that like something big, it did not happen. The most brutal murdering in Dragon Ball is always shown by killing monsters or man such as blowing them up as Boo does or ripping them apart. I am honestly shocked that so many here, while not actually reading what I wrote, seem to not care or probably even want something like that to happen as much as this is defended. Try to find this scale of cruelty in the manga that you can see with random men, Cell Jrs. et cetera with those I have mentioned. It will not be found. In fact dead women, as I already said, even were only shown in very small and insignificant panels (see Babidi's victims) to not get the attention those random guys do. That should already show the difference. There is no visible ripping them to pieces, blowing them to bits or anything. And I am sure none of you would actually like that. Who likes that. And if it is so significant in the original story than it was also important there. There are levels of taste that are purposely not shown without thoughtful planning.

[TheGmGoken]

I'm not understanding you. Are you sayin because it wasn't in the manga it doesn't make sense or are you saying women was never killed in a main panel?

[Cetra]

I'm not understanding you. Are you sayin because it wasn't in the manga it doesn't make sense or are you saying women was never killed in a main panel?

What exactly do you not understand?

There were dead random women, yes. And dead random children (happens automatically by Cell absorbing and Boo destroying). But they never got the same kind of brutality and "attention drawing" scenes and panels in the original. And I wish for Dragon Ball the same kind of thoughtful thinking as always. Everyone knows Dragon Ball defines itself through violence. But even Dragon Ball has its limits. Do you see women/children dying or being dead? Yes. Is it displayed like with some male people? No.

[TheGmGoken]

I don't see the problem though. There's not a lot of women in DB. SO it would not had happened. Had Bulma married Goku I can say Freeza would had killed her. Toriyama wasn't good at drawing girls(didn't he say this?) and thud he didn't. That's why we don't see major female death.

[Daisetsu]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there a panel that showed a woman missing her entire lower half in the Buu arc? It was right around the time that everyone discovered Babidi's ship.

[Fionordequester]

Is it me, or has Salagir's writing style changed a bit since the early days? I don't remember there being this much dark humor. Not that that's a bad thing, as long as it isn't too extreme (and I don't think this is too extreme).

[Hellspawn28]

Oh god, are we going to start a violent debate now ? Why does it matter if a women gets her head blown off? How is it any different then a male getting their head blown off? Besides Dragon Ball is a work of fiction and these characters don't exist.

[RandomGuy96]

I hate those no gos in that doujin, sorry. Never the manga/anime showed this form of violence against innocent women and children. And dead child lying far in the back of a panel and a beaten up Videl, yes. But not this.

...innocent? I don't see any children dying here, and the "people" who are "dying" on this page aren't really being killed any more graphically than many villains were in the manga. Vegeta punched Guldo's head off (he didn't slice cleanly like in the anime, he just hit him so hard his head flew off) and impaled Zarbon on his fist, before scoffing at Zarbon while he begged for mercy, twisting it, and blasting him through the torso. If anything, what he did here is tame, since he just popped his cousin's head with an energy blast and insta-killed King Vegeta.

I'm glad that he's doing this, but I don't get why he even thought about it in the first place. I also doubt this is just because they are fake. He would have done the same thing if any member of his race, even his father, was in the way of something he wanted.

And lets not forget how Dr. Gero killed that human, either.

Or how Buu killed that gunman. Or how Babidi killed... anybody.

1. There was the famous scene of the Mirai Gohan special where a girl has been shown with a hole in her chest. That scene was never shown like this.
2. I don't see how Guldo, Zarbon, the guy that gets his head ripped off by Gero or others are childen or women.
3. No, children"do no die often enough" in the manga. Children do die but it is never expressed in the way, it is shown with the likes of random men that just get blown into pieces. Akira Toriyama and Toei were very catious in this concern.
3. Vegeta's cousin is very well, no matter if a Phantom Clone or not, "innocent". Yes, she is a Saiyajin. That is true. But in context with Vegeta she was just a caring woman. And that is the point. As well as the death of woman was never shown in the story like this.
5. Don't twist my words. I never said Dragon Ball is not violent and I never said no one died brutally. The criminal who attacked Mr. Satan or any other guy was not innocent and not a woman or child that has been shown as defenseless or innocent in a certan context. In fact the anime even tries to show you can depend on children and women not being shown to die the same way as those men, when they have shown Cell chasing a woman and a child and never let him absorb them as Kuririn saved them.
6. In no way this statement is wrong. I have 42 vol. and it is exactly like that. The only children who actually get beaten up are the main characters and even they are not shown to be killed like that. You can easily see which characters are shown to be brutally murdered. And those are never random children or women but some fat criminal men, some random guys who confront a villain or anything.
7. That I want no women to be shown as killed brutally is far from being sexist.

1. That's pretty much an exact copy of a page in the Buu arc. Thank Babidi.
2. What does gender have to do with anything? Are you a sexist?
3. Children do, in fact, die all the time, and not just via being blown up cleanly and mostly off-screen. See Krillin, Dende, Cargo, Marron, that little boy in the Buu arc, etc.
4. No, she isn't. She's a saiyan fighter, meaning it is literally her job to kill millions of innocents.
5. Those gunmen were totally helpless against Buu, and they have likely killed far less people than Vegeta's cousin here. Not to mention one of their deaths was far more brutal. Yet you still think this page is crossing the line because... she's a woman? It's actually funny you should mention Videl, since she was far from helpless and the beating she got was pretty tame. Even Spopovich suffered worse.
6. Again, gender is irrelevant and children are brutally murdered all the time. Even when they're not killed, they get beaten quite brutally. Gohan got his neck snapped by Recoome.
7. Actually, that's exactly what it is: you're holding a double standard and insisting that death be treated differently solely because of gender.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there a panel that showed a woman missing her entire lower half in the Buu arc? It was right around the time that everyone discovered Babidi's ship.

Yep. Babidi, you bastard:



Babidi's a pretty brutal villain in general. He also makes that one guy's head explode at the Budokai, and swells Spopovich up until he pops. And his own death involves him being strangled and having his head exploded by a punch from Buu.