The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:39 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Buu saga SSJ4 Goku runs the Majin Gauntlet. Think he can reach/match Buuhan?
Effortlessly destroys them all.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:41 am

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KentalSSJ6 wrote:Buu saga SSJ4 Goku runs the Majin Gauntlet. Think he can reach/match Buuhan?
Effortlessly destroys them all.
What I was gonna say as well.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:57 am

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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by The Monkey King » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:42 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Buu saga SSJ4 Goku runs the Majin Gauntlet. Think he can reach/match Buuhan?
Dies against Super Buu.
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Post by xmysticgohanx » Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:45 pm

If it's a 10x boost from SSJ3, Goku gets one shotted by Super Buu. However if it's a 500x boost from SSJ3, Goku one shots everyone and then gets one shotted by SSJ Vegetto. I personally believe the latter.
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Post by Kaboom » Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:03 pm

Super Saiyan 4 is super-mega-overkill. Goku's not quite as strong as SSJ Vegetto, but is still able to sweep through any and all forms of Boo with relative ease. If Gotenks- and Gohan-Boo were somehow fighting him at the same time, they might give him a little trouble, but he'd still beat them.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sat Jun 21, 2014 3:43 pm

Kaboom wrote:Super Saiyan 4 is super-mega-overkill. Goku's not quite as strong as SSJ Vegetto, but is still able to sweep through any and all forms of Boo with relative ease. If Gotenks- and Gohan-Boo were somehow fighting him at the same time, they might give him a little trouble, but he'd still beat them.
Isnt it GT SSJ4 Goku implied to be around Super Veggeto? Not sure if you noticed but I said Buu Saga SSJ4 Goku, or does your statement stand by Buu Saga Goku?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Sat Jun 21, 2014 3:51 pm

Yeah, Boo-arc.

I take the "SSJ4 ~ Super Vegetto" comparison for GT at face value because I don't really delve into GT power levels. But my point with this answer was that even though he's not as strong as Super Vegetto, this SSJ4 Goku's still plenty strong enough to beat all the Boos.
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Post by White Oni » Sat Jun 21, 2014 4:04 pm

Kaboom wrote:Yeah, Buu-arc.

I take the "SSJ4 ~ Super Vegetto" comparison for GT at face value because I don't really delve into GT power levels. But my point with this answer was that even though he's not as strong as Super Vegetto, this SSJ4 Goku's still plenty strong enough to beat all the Boos.
Isn't the consensus that ssj4 is x2.5 ssj3?..

If this is Buu arc

That means he's x2.5 ssj3 goku... Hardly vegetto level.

I'm equally unversed in GT PL. So I'm not claiming to know why people think it's a 2.5, just that, that's what I remember.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Jun 21, 2014 4:05 pm

White Oni wrote:
Kaboom wrote:Yeah, Buu-arc.

I take the "SSJ4 ~ Super Vegetto" comparison for GT at face value because I don't really delve into GT power levels. But my point with this answer was that even though he's not as strong as Super Vegetto, this SSJ4 Goku's still plenty strong enough to beat all the Boos.
Isn't the consensus that ssj4 is x2.5 ssj3?..

If this is Buu arc

That means he's x2.5 ssj3 goku... Hardly vegetto level.
I've seen 1000x base, 4000x base, 40000x base, and plenty in between. There is no general consensus. And even if there was, it wouldn't matter.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by White Oni » Sat Jun 21, 2014 4:10 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
White Oni wrote:
Kaboom wrote:Yeah, Buu-arc.

I take the "SSJ4 ~ Super Vegetto" comparison for GT at face value because I don't really delve into GT power levels. But my point with this answer was that even though he's not as strong as Super Vegetto, this SSJ4 Goku's still plenty strong enough to beat all the Boos.
Isn't the consensus that ssj4 is x2.5 ssj3?..

If this is Buu arc

That means he's x2.5 ssj3 goku... Hardly vegetto level.
I've seen 1000x base, 4000x base, 40000x base, and plenty in between. There is no general consensus. And even if there was, it wouldn't matter.
Oh ok, well if there's no way to scale it, then there's no way to answer the question.
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Post by Hugo Boss » Sat Jun 21, 2014 4:31 pm

I think SS4 is about as strong as SS Fusion. So SS4 Goku could be a match for Gohan-Boo, but should use Ryuken to win this. If not, he would have trouble with Boo's durability.
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Post by xmysticgohanx » Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:48 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Isnt it GT SSJ4 Goku implied to be around Super Veggeto? Not sure if you noticed but I said Buu Saga SSJ4 Goku, or does your statement stand by Buu Saga Goku?
Goku said Super Baby 1 was the strongest ki he ever felt (iirc it's felt and not sensed) so Baby > Vegetto (also Beerus, since the Chozenshuu put BoG in the anime timeline with GT)
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:51 pm

My fanboyism for Goten vs Toei love for Goku

Goku(Toei) vs Beerus(Toriyama revamped)
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Post by xmysticgohanx » Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:55 pm

Goten WINS. Does Toei Goku include GT?
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:57 pm

xmysticgohanx wrote:Goten WINS. Does Toei Goku include GT?
Yup. But only up to Bebi to avoid possible over kill
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:41 pm

Toei stomps.

Gine vs Tarble

The battle of the Saiyan wusses. Who comes out on top?
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by xmysticgohanx » Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:51 pm

I'd say Tarble because he's the prince of all Saiyans.

Post-RoSaT Piccolo vs Semi Perfect Cell.

Buu Arc SSJ Goku vs FP Cell.
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Post by FrogTrigger » Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:16 am

Yusuke at the end of the series vs Raditz

Raizen vs Piccolo at the beginning of Z

21st Budokai Goku vs Jotaro Joestar

Iron Fist vs 22nd Budokai Yamaha

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Post by dbgtFO » Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:14 am

xmysticgohanx wrote: Post-RoSaT Piccolo vs Semi Perfect Cell.

Buu Arc SSJ Goku vs FP Cell.
Cell swats Piccolo aside with ease, before pouring salt into his wounds just to see, if he melts.

Goku still hasn't bridged the gap between him and Cell in his Super Saiyan state, so Cell now being fully aware of Goku's teleport Kamehameha, beats him comfortably without letting Down his guard.
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