The International Version of the Buu-Kai Arc

[jjgp1112]

Given that FUNi always mixes their dubs in 5.1, I can see a bunch of people throwing Kikuchi or Faulconer back in there just to have Z with a dub that isn't terrible.

I guess that's a plus?

What's bad about that? It allows people to enjoy it however they want, and there are a couple of guys on YouTube that are really good at that stuff with the Faulconer music.

Huh? Nothing's bad about that.

My eye roll emoticon was aimed at the fact that the only positives come from work fans would have to do to get something enjoyable from it.

Oh, sorry for the confusion.

[Samwize78]

I'm really torn on this. I like OP/ED for the international releases a lot, but on the other hand the content of these episodes don't seem to be staying true to the initial rules of Kai. With what we've seen from the episodes airing on Fuji TV, especially with the pacing of the more recent episodes, what they've removed from the source material works pretty well. Leaving in all this extra footage just seems unnecessary.

[B]

Might as well get the DRAGONBOX.

Well, I guess that's still feasible if you have over a thousand dollars to dosh out. Most of us don't have that option anymore.

I was specifically referring to the Buu arc, which would be the last two boxes. I know they've gone out of print, however, so yeah, I get your point.

[Cold Skin]

It would definately be interesting to hear the original NEP.
This is weird caring to make a 30-seconds piece for Kuu-Zen-Zetsu-Go's NEP, but not 3-seconds jingles for eyecatches and a 10-seconds track for the title.

"Quick, let's create 30 seconds of new music so that the NEP matches the opening, cause it's definately important that the presentation matches the opening/ending!"
"And should we also create 10 seconds of new music for the title and 3 seconds for the two tracks of the eyecatches? Cause we could do it even faster, in two hours max!"
"Nah, we don't have time, and it's not important that the presentation matches the opening/ending!"

Anyway, of course the first one who gets his hands on high quality videos of the international openings/endings should tell the others!
This may take months.

[UltimateHammerBro]

It would definately be interesting to hear the original NEP.
This is weird caring to make a 30-seconds piece for Kuu-Zen-Zetsu-Go's NEP, but not 3-seconds jingles for eyecatches and a 10-seconds track for the title.

"Quick, let's create 30 seconds of new music so that the NEP matches the opening, cause it's definately important that the presentation matches the opening/ending!"
"And should we also create 10 seconds of new music for the title and 3 seconds for the two tracks of the eyecatches? Cause we could do it even faster, in two hours max!"
"Nah, we don't have time, and it's not important that the presentation matches the opening/ending!"

Anyway, of course the first one who gets his hands on high quality videos of the international openings/endings should tell the others!
This may take months.

I agree with you. However, did the Yamamoto title track match Dragon Soul? The NEP theme did, the eyecatcher theme did, so I suppose that the title theme does too, but I can't hear the similarity. Sometimes I have a wonderful sixth sense for music, while others... I don't

[Valerius Dover]

Just out of curiosity, what was the title music used for the Kikuchi version of Episodes 1-98? I haven't seen Kai yet.

[mcdonough88]

Title card was the theme when Gohan gets new clothes from Pikkoro after they trained in the spirit and time room.

[Valerius Dover]

Title card was the theme when Gohan gets new clothes from Pikkoro after they trained in the spirit and time room.

.....I'm lost.

I haven't seen Dragon Ball Z with the Kikuchi score, either. Does anyone know the number designation of the BGM?
Also wondering what the recap theme was.

[theoriginalbilis]

I haven't seen Dragon Ball Z with the Kikuchi score, either.

Sounds like a problem that needs to be rectified.

I heartily recommend watching some episodes of the original DB/DBZ or the movies in Japanese if you can. It's a world of difference (music and performance-wise) from the old Z dub or even Dragon Ball Kai.

[Valerius Dover]

I haven't seen Dragon Ball Z with the Kikuchi score, either.

Sounds like a problem that needs to be rectified.

I heartily recommend watching some episodes of the original DB/DBZ or the movies in Japanese if you can. It's a world of difference (music and performance-wise) from the old Z dub or even Dragon Ball Kai.

I plan on seeing the entire thing from start to finish in Japanese (I have the bricks). I've still got a lot of other stuff I'm watching, too, though. I definitely want to, so that's not an issue for me. I have seen all of Dragon Ball with the original score, though, since it's the only option. (When you say old Z dub, do you mean the one on the Remastered Sets, or like the really old one? I haven't seen the really old one)

Anyway, the point was I don't think it really mattered that Fight It Out was retained on the title card since the Yamamoto and possibly Kikuchi title cards didn't have anything related to the other music.

[TheGmGoken]

OK got a text from cousin. I'll post one in English and Korean(original language). Warning..lots of swears. He hates Boo arc Kai. Here is his opinion. Sorry if English is bad. I Google translate the Korean. So many words...

English: Hey Pudd. I'm very disssponited in Dragon Ball Z Kai. The amount of material taken out...well NOT taken out is fucking ridiculous. The whole point of this damn project was to remove the boring shit and become similar to the manga. HOW THE FUCK do you Fuck this up. I feel like I should just use the old tapes we recorded as kids. Its the same damn thing. Fucking idiots. I couldn't finish the episode that Sur-Gi recorded for me. The music is awful compare to the original. Even the trash the American call music is better(I prefer Bruce Production in this arc). I suggest you don't waste your money on this shit and don't even waste your ugly(hurtful) eyes watching it. Not worth it. Just go watch Dragon Ball Z. I loved Dragon Ball Z Kai. But I don't know how they fucked up the Majin saga. It's the even the same idea no more. Why is the animation quality darker(better than green tint). What purpose did that serve. What's fucking worst is Korea lost the damn World Cup(I know right made me sad). Why the world hates me!? My country lost and my favorite anime is turning to shit. Why didn't they just remake the damn series. Whoever behind the project is a bitch. Fuck him! Even the Japanese version was filled with crap. They mix six episodes and still didn't advance the plot(referring to Kai 110 which was all over the place with filler from different episodes).

Korean: 아가 봐. 나는 매우 드래곤 볼 Z 카이에 실망하고 있습니다. 밖으로 가지고 물질의 양을 잘 ... 말도 빌어 먹을 꺼내어하지. 이 빌어 먹을 프로젝트의 요점은 지루한 똥을 제거하는 것이 었습니다.그리고 만화와 비슷한된다. 당신이 어떻게 지옥을 짓을. 난 그냥 우리가 아이로 기록 된 테이프를 사용해야합니다 같은 느낌. 그 같은 빌어 먹을 것. 빌어 먹을 바보. 내가 끝낼 수 없습니. 나 나 쉬르 기 기록한 에피소드 완료할 수 없습니다. 음악 무서운가 원래 비교. 심지어 쓰레기를 미국의 통화 음악 좋습니다. 나는 당신이 돈이라면 이 똥에 낭비하지 않고 심지어 못생긴 눈 오랫동안 지켜보고 있 낭비하지 않는 것이 좋습니다. 아니 그만한 가치가 있습니다. 그냥 드래곤 볼 Z 드래곤 볼z Kai 사랑 감상해 보십시오. 그러나 나는 그들이 지니 사가 최대수속 방법을 알지 못합니다. 그것은 심지어 같은 더 많은 없습니다. 왜 애니메이션 품질 어둡게 합니다. 대체 무슨 목적으로 섬기지 않았다.

Looks like the international version is going be filler filled .

I'm guessing my cousin isn't enjoying Kai.....

[Valerius Dover]

Whoa, somebody's pissed.

Well, I'm not going to let those words discourage me. I'm pretty excepting of filler, and in all honesty I just want this for the new dub. The new score is a plus, too, since I always like a fresh approach. I do actually like the Faulconer Productions score, as many may have guessed. So, I'll probably like the stuff Sumitomo did, too. I also have yet to fully experience the Kikuchi score in it's full splendor (beyond the original Dragon Ball) but believe me, I'll get there. I'm currently placing Kai on a priority, though. (When I do get there, I'll probably do a thread about my experience seeing it, like Herms is doing now).

[JEFFMAN219]

OK got a text from cousin. I'll post one in English and Korean(original language). Warning..lots of swears. He hates Boo arc Kai. Here is his opinion. Sorry if English is bad. I Google translate the Korean. So many words...

English: Hey Pudd. I'm very disssponited in Dragon Ball Z Kai. The amount of material taken out...well NOT taken out is fucking ridiculous. The whole point of this damn project was to remove the boring shit and become similar to the manga. HOW THE FUCK do you Fuck this up. I feel like I should just use the old tapes we recorded as kids. Its the same damn thing. Fucking idiots. I couldn't finish the episode that Sur-Gi recorded for me. The music is awful compare to the original. Even the trash the American call music is better(I prefer Bruce Production in this arc). I suggest you don't waste your money on this shit and don't even waste your ugly(hurtful) eyes watching it. Not worth it. Just go watch Dragon Ball Z. I loved Dragon Ball Z Kai. But I don't know how they fucked up the Majin saga. It's the even the same idea no more. Why is the animation quality darker(better than green tint). What purpose did that serve. What's fucking worst is Korea lost the damn World Cup(I know right made me sad). Why the world hates me!? My country lost and my favorite anime is turning to shit. Why didn't they just remake the damn series. Whoever behind the project is a bitch. Fuck him! Even the Japanese version was filled with crap. They mix six episodes and still didn't advance the plot(referring to Kai 110 which was all over the place with filler from different episodes).

Korean: 아가 봐. 나는 매우 드래곤 볼 Z 카이에 실망하고 있습니다. 밖으로 가지고 물질의 양을 잘 ... 말도 빌어 먹을 꺼내어하지. 이 빌어 먹을 프로젝트의 요점은 지루한 똥을 제거하는 것이 었습니다.그리고 만화와 비슷한된다. 당신이 어떻게 지옥을 짓을. 난 그냥 우리가 아이로 기록 된 테이프를 사용해야합니다 같은 느낌. 그 같은 빌어 먹을 것. 빌어 먹을 바보. 내가 끝낼 수 없습니. 나 나 쉬르 기 기록한 에피소드 완료할 수 없습니다. 음악 무서운가 원래 비교. 심지어 쓰레기를 미국의 통화 음악 좋습니다. 나는 당신이 돈이라면 이 똥에 낭비하지 않고 심지어 못생긴 눈 오랫동안 지켜보고 있 낭비하지 않는 것이 좋습니다. 아니 그만한 가치가 있습니다. 그냥 드래곤 볼 Z 드래곤 볼z Kai 사랑 감상해 보십시오. 그러나 나는 그들이 지니 사가 최대수속 방법을 알지 못합니다. 그것은 심지어 같은 더 많은 없습니다. 왜 애니메이션 품질 어둡게 합니다. 대체 무슨 목적으로 섬기지 않았다.

Looks like the international version is going be filler filled .

I'm guessing my cousin isn't enjoying Kai.....

Damn so its basically like the original Dragon Ball Z then. Smh Toei you guys fucked up big time.

[TheGmGoken]

Pretty much. But there is some filler removed. Just not compared to Jpn version.

[TheBlackPaladin]

I'll be totally honest, between Kai and DBZ, I think DBZ is the better show. By far the biggest reason I was interested in Kai to begin with was the new, much more loyal dub. Ideally, I would have preferred that FUNimation re-dub DBZ. Of course, there's no way they're going to do that, and I don't blame them in the slightest for not doing that (there's no way they'd make back their money), but I don't mind a higher episode count in the international version because that's closer to what I wished for*...a full re-dub.

*Insert joke relating to the dragon balls here.

Sure, it may be violating the "rules" of Kai by not cutting the filler, but again, in the interest of blunt honesty, cutting out the filler was never the real point of Kai...the real point of Kai was for Toei to find an excuse to put an old hit show back on TV and masquerade it as something "new." So when you look at it that way, by including a higher episode count, Toei is just dropping the masquerade and being more blatant about what the real point of Kai was all along.

[MR.Mark]

Kai's two biggest advantages has always been first and foremost the much improved pacing and second the enjoyable English dub. As of the Buu arc it's now down to just the English Dub unfortunately, at least for the international version.

[ParkerAL]

So the International Cut will run for 69 episodes, right?

The original run from the beginning of the Other World Tournament Arc to the end of the Buu Arc ran for 96 episodes, meaning 27 episodes will be cut from it.

Kai's original run cut about 49.5% of the episodes: 96 out of 194.

The Buu run of Kai will cut 28.1% of the episodes: 27 out of 96.

Does the Buu arc of DBZ have fewer filler scenes than the Saiyan Arc to Cell Arc portion? It covers about 33% of the entire series in anime form. Only counting the DBZ part (Chapters 195 to 520) of the manga, the Buu content (Great Saiyaman to the end of Buu) covers 98 out of 325 chapters, which is about 30% of it.

So I guess that answers my question...

[mcdonough88]

Title card was the theme when Gohan gets new clothes from Pikkoro after they trained in the spirit and time room.

.....I'm lost.

I haven't seen Dragon Ball Z with the Kikuchi score, either. Does anyone know the number designation of the BGM?
Also wondering what the recap theme was.

Are you serious? That has to be rectified... hehe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4-sNjRohSE

Found it albeit in Latino

[Flame Dragon]

How i feel right now.

That's it.

I'm done.
I'm fucking done with Kai AND Toei.

The only reason i wanted Kai in the first place was to remove the filler.
Now it's pointless.

I don't care anymore, why should i care when Toei only cares about money?

They have no artistic integrity, no passion for their work. They only care about their wallets.

I'm so insulted that they think they can give us foreigners shit, will they edit their "good version" for themselves.

They completely butchered Toriko, they destroyed Dragon Ball Kai, they gave terrible animation and pacing to One Piece, they put subpar animators to work on Battle of Gods... i was right, they are the worst animation company in the world.

The only talents here are the voice actors, it's a shame they had to work on this shit.

You did it, Toei. I now officially hate you.
I will not support Toei anymore, no longer will watch nor buy any of their products.
Just like i no longer support Studio Pierrot.

I won't watch Kai anymore, nor bother looking into these forums for information about Kai.

I will always remember the first 99 episode fondly, and what the Buu Saga could've been.

It's been a fun ride, but like it always happens, Capitalism killed.

[sintzu]

They have no artistic integrity, no passion for their work. They only care about their wallets.

Why put in the work to make a quality product when people will buy an ok or bad one ? Toie are like any company and that's to make $$$ the cheapest way posible

If anyone is to blame for what's happening to kai and other anime it's the fans

Take battle of gods for example,Bad writing and bad animation yet not only did it make $$$ and will make more but a lot of fans say it's the best movie in the series,So if anything the next movie will have worse animation and writing

Another example is the funimation dvd/blu-ray season sets which have very bad video quality yet are alwayse on the top 10 best selling amazon anime list,So why bother with an expensive release like the levels when you can sell thoes cheap seasons and make the same if not more $$$ ?

Sure it sucks what they did with kai but seeing as it's eather that or the Z season sets i'd take kai over thoes any day