The International Version of the Buu-Kai Arc

[Flame Dragon]

They have no artistic integrity, no passion for their work. They only care about their wallets.

Why put in the work to make a quality product when people will buy an ok or bad one ? Toie are like any company and that's to make $$$ the cheapest way posible

If any one is to blame for what's happening to kai and other anime it's the fans

You can still care about your work on an artistic level, this is not even a budget issue. It's just plain and mean laziness.
There was no reason to cut so little filler for our version, and to keep the good version for themselves.

I don't care about timeslots and that crap, they should have made a good cut from the start for our version, but of course who cares about us, we are not from Japan, we are lesser beings and we will take shit and gladly eat it.

Do you think it's a coincidence that they made a new version to air in Japan? Aside from the one year issue, it's like they were aware they made a cheap piece of shit for us commoners and they couldn't be allowed to air it and take bad rep.

[kei17]

I'm so insulted that they think they can give us foreigners shit, will they edit their "good version" for themselves.

I don't think that the Japanese version is any better considering its sloppy cuts and weird music placement.

[Flame Dragon]

The point is, the International version is pointless.
Why take worse soundtrack and cuts for only 20 episodes less?
Like, there is no reason to pick Kai over Z.

In fact, Kai international version pisses me off, because it looks like the criteria they used for which filler is to remain and which filler is to be cut is completely random.
It's so inconsistent, better to stick with Z and get all the filler, than to get a random selection of filler with no rhime or reason.

All i can say is... Sailor Moon fans, enjoy your fillerless reanimated show, while we are stuck with Dragonball Hackjob.

[sintzu]

There was no reason to cut so little filler for our version.

More episodes means more sets means more $$$

The one thing our version might have over the japanese's is the 4:3 ratio but as of now we can only hope that's the ratio it will be in and not 16:9

[Flame Dragon]

There was no reason to cut so little filler for our version.

More episodes means more sets means more $$$

The one thing our version might have over the japanese's is the 4:3 ratio but as of now we can only hope that's the ratio it will be in and not 16:9

Then i'm right, they only care about money.

You can't advertise a show as "true to the manga" and then think
"hey if we leave 20 episodes of filler in we can make one more dvd set and get more money! FUCKING GENIUS"
and go back on your words.

You said it yourself that they only do this because people will buy it regardless, and this is my response.
They like money? Well they sure as shit won't get my money until they stop being talentless hacks, and actually put effort into their work.
I hope many people follow suit, like you said, the only way to stop his bullshit is if we don't buy their crap.

[JEFFMAN219]

There was no reason to cut so little filler for our version.

More episodes means more sets means more $$$

The one thing our version might have over the japanese's is the 4:3 ratio but as of now we can only hope that's the ratio it will be in and not 16:9

Then i'm right, they only care about money.

You can't advertise a show as "true to the manga" and then think
"hey if we leave 20 episodes of filler in we can make one more dvd set and get more money! FUCKING GENIUS"
and go back on your words.

You said it yourself that they only do this because people will buy it regardless, and this is my response.
They like money? Well they sure as shit won't get my money until they stop being talentless hacks, and actually put effort into their work.
I hope many people follow suit, like you said, the only way to stop his bullshit is if we don't buy their crap.

Mind you dragon ball z kai from episode 1-98 was done well so I don't know why Toei got lazy for the buu saga arc and only cut a little bit of filler. Would you get the new blu ray seasons sets just for the buu saga over Kais version?

[sintzu]

Mind you dragon ball z kai from episode 1-98 was done well so I don't know why Toei got lazy for the buu saga arc and only cut a little bit of filler.


Would you get the new blu ray seasons sets just for the buu saga over Kais version?

It was made for the international fans so whoever company that asked for it (pobably funimation) asked them to only cut 25% of the arc insted of 50% like the first 3 arcs

If anyone wants Z on blu ray then kai is the way to go

[Flame Dragon]

Mind you dragon ball z kai from episode 1-98 was done well so I don't know why Toei got lazy for the buu saga arc and only cut a little bit of filler. Would you get the new blu ray seasons sets just for the buu saga over Kais version?

At this point, only the first 99 Episodes are worth a buy, since they actually kept their promise and cut the damn filler.
...With their limits, since it was not a reanimated show of course.

[JEFFMAN219]

Mind you dragon ball z kai from episode 1-98 was done well so I don't know why Toei got lazy for the buu saga arc and only cut a little bit of filler. Would you get the new blu ray seasons sets just for the buu saga over Kais version?

At this point, only the first 99 Episodes are worth a buy, since they actually kept their promise and cut the damn filler.
...With their limits, since it was not a reanimated show of course.

The new animation style that Toei uses now looks ugly and I'm glad they didn't use it for Kai.

[JEFFMAN219]

Mind you dragon ball z kai from episode 1-98 was done well so I don't know why Toei got lazy for the buu saga arc and only cut a little bit of filler.


Would you get the new blu ray seasons sets just for the buu saga over Kais version?

It was made for the international fans so whoever company that asked for it (pobably funimation) asked them to only cut 25% of the arc insted of 50% like the first 3 arcs

If anyone wants Z on blu ray then kai is the way to go

I don't think that funimation told them to cut only a little bit of filler. I believe that Toei animation is a lazy and cheap company who didn't want to put in the work for a show that was only going to be shown outside of Japan.

[ChibiGoku]

Okay, guys, I want to say this, since everyone is up in arms with very little information we have with this:

We should wait until we actually start getting footage of the International version, before we really judge it. We only got a little bit available to us, as there doesn't seem to be able in Korea that's actively recording the series for us, so we've mostly had to rely on second hand information. With that second hand information, we have no idea how actively the series is cut, just based off of people's reactions that are watching it in Korea. We should wait and judge the episodes Internationally until we actually see them. While it is true Toei Animation seems to be keeping more filler for the International version, I'd rather have something that's paced more evenly than something where the cut causes the pacing to become uneven. We really need to see it with our two own eyes before we make judgement calls.

Plus, I think it's kinda exciting to see more footage for FUNimation to work from, since that means more material to work with for a better dub.

[Flame Dragon]

Okay, guys, I want to say this, since everyone is up in arms with very little information we have with this:

We should wait until we actually start getting footage of the International version, before we really judge it. We only got a little bit available to us, as there doesn't seem to be able in Korea that's actively recording the series for us, so we've mostly had to rely on second hand information. With that second hand information, we have no idea how actively the series is cut, just based off of people's reactions that are watching it in Korea. We should wait and judge the episodes Internationally until we actually see them. While it is true Toei Animation seems to be keeping more filler for the International version, I'd rather have something that's paced more evenly than something where the cut causes the pacing to become uneven. We really need to see it with our two own eyes before we make judgement calls.

Plus, I think it's kinda exciting to see more footage for FUNimation to work from, since that means more material to work with for a better dub.

The pacing already hit a crawl on the broadcast version, add 20 more episodes and i guarantee it will be a mess.
Our worries are very much justified.

[TheBlackPaladin]

Okay, guys, I want to say this, since everyone is up in arms with very little information we have with this:

We should wait until we actually start getting footage of the International version, before we really judge it. We only got a little bit available to us, as there doesn't seem to be able in Korea that's actively recording the series for us, so we've mostly had to rely on second hand information. With that second hand information, we have no idea how actively the series is cut, just based off of people's reactions that are watching it in Korea. We should wait and judge the episodes Internationally until we actually see them. While it is true Toei Animation seems to be keeping more filler for the International version, I'd rather have something that's paced more evenly than something where the cut causes the pacing to become uneven. We really need to see it with our two own eyes before we make judgement calls.

Plus, I think it's kinda exciting to see more footage for FUNimation to work from, since that means more material to work with for a better dub.

I agree with this. I don't think there's anything wrong with feeling a little bit worried that Kai may not live up to one's personal expectations, but there's no point in being disappointed unless the actual show airs and then it doesn't live up to expectations. As fans, sometimes in our passion we reach conclusions too early. My favorite example is when Chris Ayers debuted as the English voice of Freeza...when the first English-dubbed episode of Kai aired with Freeza in it, the reaction was overwhelmingly negative, only to do a total 180 a few episodes in, if not sooner.

Anyway, it certainly is possible that the international version will be a waste of time, but there's no point in labeling it that until the actual show comes on the air. And quite frankly, from the info that has been revealed so far, from my perspective it sounds like it's actually us international fans who are getting the better end of the deal.

[Saago]

For me the funny thing is that everybody is describing Kai as this utterly chaotic, incomprehensible production, a major clusterfuck (it appears to have become sort of a running gag), but, unless I'm missing something, the only real mess related to Kai was the music scandal back in 2011. People have been speculating so much about the Majin Buu arc, analyzing the fact that some voice actor said there were X number of episodes whereas some months later another actor said there were Y number of episodes, and the information has been transpiring so slowly, but the truth is that, now we more or less have more the whole picture, the production of the Buu arc appears to be extremely simple: the International version is the version Toei has been making for the last couple of years, and it was always meant to be the only version (and, for all intents and purposes, it will be: it's now all but confirmed that this will be the only version that will be distributed outside Japan). I don't quite understand why having an additional, abridged (or "further abridged") version for the domestic TV broadcast is supposed to make this arc such a clusterfuck all of a sudden.

The fact that, all this time, the idea of how this arc was going to be has been changing so much in the heads of many fans doesn't mean that the actual production of the show has been changing as well.

[Gyt Kaliba]

On top of those two different versions though, there's the fact that there's going to be different music between them as well. You're right, when you lay it out like that, and no doubt from Toei's POV, it's really pretty simple. But as fans who have had this trickling out for so long now - and even more so for people who try to document this stuff - it still counts as a huge clusterfuck of confusion.

[VegettoEX]

Nah, there was definitely some weirdness even pre-music-insanity.

It's little stuff like the "why was this scene re-animated/traced...?" instances. Replacing voice actors on characters whose previous voice actors are still there doing other voices alongside them right there in the same show. Indications that they weren't sure it was going to go beyond Freeza in the first place (all key art only showing that far for a while, not naming arcs until they got to the Cell stuff, etc.). Re-naming it to "Z Kai" for international distribution.

And pretty much all of that still applies to the Buu stuff, except instead of re-animated/traces scenes, we just get terrible video quality wholesale. Add the three musical scores into the mix and you've got yourself a clusterdoodle, all right!

What makes this multiple-Buu-arcs thing so crazy is how clearly it's affecting international distribution. I feel like it's pretty obvious at this point that it's Toei and Fuji TV holding things up, since it wasn't even going to air in Japan in the first place. They're obviously holding other people up, and doing so with their own hack-job product. And for what? To fill a year in programming? With a product no-one in Japan ever really cared about anyway? Great, thanks!

[coola]

Well, according to Anime News Network most watch top lists, Kai Majin Buu Saga, is watched by quite a lot of people, even better then Precure, unless it doesn`t mean anything in terms of money?

[xXInfinite026Xx]

Well, according to Anime News Network most watch top lists, Kai Majin Buu Saga, is watched by quite a lot of people, even better then Precure, unless it doesn`t mean anything in terms of money?

That's exactly it. The previous Kai series was always getting in the top 10 anime ratings in Japan, however the Kai brand just didn't translate well into merchandise sales with Japanese consumers.

[Metalwario64]

What makes this multiple-Buu-arcs thing so crazy is how clearly it's affecting international distribution. I feel like it's pretty obvious at this point that it's Toei and Fuji TV holding things up, since it wasn't even going to air in Japan in the first place. They're obviously holding other people up, and doing so with their own hack-job product. And for what? To fill a year in programming? With a product no-one in Japan ever really cared about anyway? Great, thanks!

That's really it for me.

I'm still excited for the international version because I really want that English dub. It's annoying that it's being held up by Toei because of a last minute decision to broadcast a chopped up version in Japan. If they hadn't done so, FUNimation would have at least made an announcement by now.

[ChibiGoku]

What makes this multiple-Buu-arcs thing so crazy is how clearly it's affecting international distribution. I feel like it's pretty obvious at this point that it's Toei and Fuji TV holding things up, since it wasn't even going to air in Japan in the first place. They're obviously holding other people up, and doing so with their own hack-job product. And for what? To fill a year in programming? With a product no-one in Japan ever really cared about anyway? Great, thanks!

That's really it for me.

I'm still excited for the international version because I really want that English dub. It's annoying that it's being held up by Toei because of a last minute decision to broadcast a chopped up version in Japan. If they hadn't done so, FUNimation would have at least made an announcement by now.

Actually, I have a different theory what happened there.

What I suspect happened is with Nicktoons passing on further episodes and allowing the tv license lapse, FUNimation ultimately had to hold out on the episodes to premiere on the Vortexx. I suspect with the end of the Cell arc ending in Late 2013, the original plan was to possibly start broadcast sometime this year, sometimes around spring or fall. However, because the block's future became evident of it coming to a close, it further delayed plans for FUNimation to announce. With Toonami picking it up and starting at the beginning, I suspect FUNimation may just focus on distribution of the Buu Arc on DVD/BD, with making an announcement either at Anime Expo or sometime later.