It looks really good so far! Not much for me to say other than that, but nice job.DNA wrote:Hi peeps, I've updated my list into a more interesting model.
Heroes Card Database
Now it's got a card image for each character and form. Thanks to TheDevilsCorpse for the card images. I hope you enjoy it!
If you can pinpoint me to the cards for the missing forms I'll add them promptly.
"(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread
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I'm re-watching Dragon Ball GT in full on my blog. Check it out if you're interested in my thoughts on the series as I watch through it!
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Thanks guys! I've already added the slots for the Hakaio and the next dragon, since we already know the cards exist. I also added a slot for Shadow Goku; despite being a bland darker shade of Goku GT, so far unsummonable and without a card; it is a thing, so I felt it should be acknowledged. There's also a slot for Giant Liu Xing Long, which is also unsummonable so far. I think that's everyone...
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Why are there 2 Yamchas, Tenshinhans, and Chaozus? Aren't these just alternative outfits? Also, "Kaioshin" Gohan is an alternative outfit of Ultimate Gohan.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Did you even read the notes?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Why are there 2 Yamchas, Tenshinhans, and Chaozus? Aren't these just alternative outfits? Also, "Kaioshin" Gohan is an alternative outfit of Ultimate Gohan.
Apart from Yamcha, Tenshinhan and Chaozu, the 3 Vegetas are all the same as well. I separated them for the sake of convenience.Note2: Characters with the same name share the same in-game models.
Note3: Kaioshin Gohan is Ultimate Gohan with Kaioshin clothes, uses the Z-Sword to attack.
I put notes at the very top of the page so they would be hard to miss, yet all of you seem to miss them anyway.
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Yes, I read the notes. I don't agree in separating them, because they are the same character in-game.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Well... Tough. Make your own then.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Yes, I read the notes. I don't agree in separating them, because they are the same character in-game.
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"Make my own"? Can't you accept criticism? You've made something cool there, yet there are these inconsistencies there. Is it there to list the DBH characters, or a showing of various versions of characters with DBH cards for pictures? You either list the different characters of the game, or you don't. Kaioshin Gohan, Saiyan arc Vegeta, and the DB versions of Tenshinhan, Chaozu, and Yamcha are alternative outfits, not different characters, and SS2/3 Majin Vegeta & Super 1/2/Oozaru Baby are forms are different forms of Vegeta & Vegeta-Baby respectively, also not different characters. If you've already done it, make it right, especially when it's not that hard.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I was going to respond to his project in the PM he sent me, but since he's already posted it, I'll just come here and say that I mostly agree with you.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:"Make my own"? Can't you accept criticism? You've made something cool there, yet there are these inconsistencies there. Is it there to list the DBH characters, or a showing of various versions of characters with DBH cards for pictures? You either list the different characters of the game, or you don't. Kaioshin Gohan, Saiyan arc Vegeta, and the DB versions of Tenshinhan, Chaozu, and Yamcha are alternative outfits, not different characters, and SS2/3 Majin Vegeta & Super 1/2/Oozaru Baby are forms are different forms of Vegeta & Vegeta-Baby respectively, also not different characters. If you've already done it, make it right, especially when it's not that hard.
I don't like the separation of characters either. I feel like if you are going to go through the trouble of making the list and using the official terms for the characters's eras and forms, that you should honor their classification system as a whole. (Only one Vegeta. etc.) I like the idea of adding the cards to help show everything in a more clear manner, but the number of forms for some characters leaves it looking kinda poorly organized and the missing forms have it appearing less "clean". Not a lot you can do about it if you want to stick to this method, but it is something to note.
Honestly, I guess I just prefer the old text list.
PS. DBZGTKOSDH, despite the fact that the Bebi Vegeta forms can transform into each other, they aren't just Bebi Vegeta -- Base, Super, etc. They have different card names, and are thus "different" characters.
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Well I really like this grid with the cards, gonna bookmark it. I haven't really kept up with this whole Heroes thingy so that is a neat way to recapture everything.
BT3 off meds | The final fight
Ah, the Alpha and the Omega. As all life was created from Chaos...so shall it be DESTROYED!!!
The wails of machines | Singing cold harmony | Shifting air upward | Entranced by the breeze | Light pours like blood | Into a cosmic sea | Of stars crystallized | In a frozen symphony
Vegetto kicking you into orbit theme
Ah, the Alpha and the Omega. As all life was created from Chaos...so shall it be DESTROYED!!!
The wails of machines | Singing cold harmony | Shifting air upward | Entranced by the breeze | Light pours like blood | Into a cosmic sea | Of stars crystallized | In a frozen symphony
Vegetto kicking you into orbit theme
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Oh, I didn't notice that. In-game, do they transform to each other? From what I recall, at least Vegeta-Baby is produced by having Baby merging with GT Vegeta.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:PS. DBZGTKOSDH, despite the fact that the Bebi Vegeta forms can transform into each other, they aren't just Bebi Vegeta -- Base, Super, etc. They have different card names, and are thus "different" characters.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I made this mostly for me and others to keep tabs in what characters and forms have been represented in Heroes. I fused some because it's just plain stupid to have certain transformations separate (Super Baby, Rild) and repeated characters (2 Future Trunks's, 2 Good Majin Buus). I've separated some for the sake of convenience and that is acknowledged with notes. DBZGTKOSDH you didn't criticise, you just flat out disagreed with my organization, so yes, if you want it done your way, do it yourself.
In sum, I've made this table in an order that makes sense to me, that pleases me. I did not do this to please you, so if you don't like it, look away.
In sum, I've made this table in an order that makes sense to me, that pleases me. I did not do this to please you, so if you don't like it, look away.
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It's not me that disagrees, and there isn't "my way". You are contradicting the game by making an inconsistent list of the game's characters & forms.DNA wrote:DBZGTKOSDH you didn't criticise, you just flat out disagreed with my organization, so yes, if you want it done your way, do it yourself.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Well, too bad. I made this my way and I'm happy with it. Plenty other people are happy with having a general idea of who's in. The notes explain everything else, whatever isn't explained in the notes is of little importance. So once again, if it peeves you so much, you do an accurate and consistent list. I made this for fun and you're sucking the fun out of it by concerning yourself with minor, unimportant details. Seriously dude, I've already wasted more time with this than I should, I've got better things to do to be worrying about an accurate list. It's good enough as it is. What I did, you can do, if it's so important to you, go do it.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:It's not me that disagrees, and there isn't "my way". You are contradicting the game by making an inconsistent list of the game's characters & forms.DNA wrote:DBZGTKOSDH you didn't criticise, you just flat out disagreed with my organization, so yes, if you want it done your way, do it yourself.
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You really don't have to act like a dick for suggesting a few corrections to your list.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I'm not being a dick, I'm justifying why I chose to organize it the way I did and why I'm not going to change it, you're the one who keeps insisting that I should because you want it. At least TheDevilsCorpse was polite about it and I understand and respect his view. You've been demanding and rude, so yes, my response to that is do it yourself.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:You really don't have to act like a dick for suggesting a few corrections to your list.
Other than that, I could not fit any more forms in one line so I had to separate Vegeta to make it look nicer.
And since you mentioned missing forms TheDevilsCorpse, could I bother you to pinpoint me the missing Super Saiyan 2 cards? As for the Neko Majins, even though their cards are up on the site, I'll wait until the next set to add everyone in one go. Unless you got them done already.
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Is Shadow Goku like an evil Goku?DNA wrote:Thanks guys! I've already added the slots for the Hakaio and the next dragon, since we already know the cards exist. I also added a slot for Shadow Goku; despite being a bland darker shade of Goku GT, so far unsummonable and without a card; it is a thing, so I felt it should be acknowledged. There's also a slot for Giant Liu Xing Long, which is also unsummonable so far. I think that's everyone...
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From what we can tell, yes, like that. It's not really "a" Goku, just a copy created by Evil Shen Long.jollyr wrote:Is Shadow Goku like an evil Goku?
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That's cool but if they wanted to go that way they should make Kakarot his own character, like he never bumped his head. And your chart is awesome thank you for making it I've always wanted something like it for the game and it confirmed characters I kinda doubted existed like Kid Vegeta.DNA wrote:From what we can tell, yes, like that. It's not really "a" Goku, just a copy created by Evil Shen Long.jollyr wrote:Is Shadow Goku like an evil Goku?
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Thanks brah! Yeah, there are a lot of cool things they could do but who knows, they might still do some of them. By the way, Shadow Goku is a boss only so far, summonable by Evil Shen Long I believe.jollyr wrote:That's cool but if they wanted to go that way they should make Kakarot his own character, like he never bumped his head. And your chart is awesome thank you for making it I've always wanted something like it for the game and it confirmed characters I kinda doubted existed like Kid Vegeta.DNA wrote:From what we can tell, yes, like that. It's not really "a" Goku, just a copy created by Evil Shen Long.jollyr wrote:Is Shadow Goku like an evil Goku?
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Yeah, you can do whatever you want. I just threw in my two cents. The only thing on your list that outright irritates me is "Kaioshin" Gohan. Note included or not, I can think of zero reason to separate him because of an alternate outfit and attack. In that case, you might as well separate the Kame, Kaio and Go dogi Goku's based on if they use a Kamehameha, Genki Dama or Super Dragon Fist.
There you go, though base Future Gohan doesn't exist right now with his base art on a card, while Super Neko Majin Z has Super Neko Majin art on his base form card.
DNA wrote:If you can pinpoint me to the cards for the missing forms I'll add them promptly.
Goku GT Super Saiyan 2, Gotenks GT Super Saiyan 2, Gohan GT Infected, Gohan Future Base, Neko Majin Mike, Neko Main Z, Super Neko Majin Z are all missing.
There you go, though base Future Gohan doesn't exist right now with his base art on a card, while Super Neko Majin Z has Super Neko Majin art on his base form card.