I don't think zero filler + 2 chapters per episodes is possible.Flame Dragon wrote:I have a dream... To see, one day, Dragon Ball and One Piece completely reanimated, with consistent animation, zero filler and 2 chapters per episode pacing minimum.
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Depends on the content of the chapters. If we're talking about chapters which are mainly depicting action shots, then you can easily put together an episode that faithfully renders 3 or 4 chapters worth of content, but with dialogue heavy chapters with a strong narrative focus, the episode pacing will have to be adjusted accordingly to make the whole thing work as an animated medium - otherwise the result will be an unintelligible mess (see most 13 episode series' adapted from Manga in the current Anime season).DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I don't think zero filler + 2 chapters per episodes is possible.
It's a balancing act, it really is. My ideal scenario for something like One Piece would be to halve the number of episodes shown over a year to 26, to be aired in two series of 13 without filler material, with suitably paced narrative content and exciting, fast paced action shots. A guy can dream, eh?
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Oh, the animation in One Piece is so inconsistent it's not even funny. Not just between episodes (though I don't think I've ever seen an episode directed by Naoki Tate where I haven't seen tons of people commenting on how the animation looked completely different) but within a single episode too... Case in point, This is from the latest episode. This is also from the latest episode. One doesn't exactly have to be an expert to notice how the second shot is far better drawn than the first.AjayLikesGaming wrote:Fair enough! I only read One Piece so I just went under the assumption that it was generally better. I've never seen any examples from One Piece that vary as much as a Yamamuro episode vs. an Uchiyama one, for example.Blade wrote:One Piece itself suffers from the same varying quality that most of Toei's long running productions do.
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I would have like them to do DB and OP like they are doing Naruto right now: take a break from the canon episodes by showing filler arcs, and when the time for the canon episodes comes, go at a full speed. It may be annoying for someone that is watching it weekly, but it won't be annoying at all when someone is watching the whole thing at once, since he would be able to skip the fillers. One Piece at this point (1 episode = 1 chapter) is boring both if you are watching it weekly, or if you are watching it all at once.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Seeing how I recently got a bit overly bored by the One Piece anime and put it on hold for a few months, and then tried to catch up and found that the stretch of episodes I had been putting off were suddenly considerably more enjoyable marathoned, I'm inclined to disagree. And whatever the case... the One Piece anime is nowhere near as slow as DBZ at its worst.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I would have like them to do DB and OP like they are doing Naruto right now: take a break from the canon episodes by showing filler arcs, and when the time for the canon episodes comes, go at a full speed. It may be annoying for someone that is watching it weekly, but it won't be annoying at all when someone is watching the whole thing at once, since he would be able to skip the fillers. One Piece at this point (1 episode = 1 chapter) is boring both if you are watching it weekly, or if you are watching it all at once.
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Hmm, I was thinking to try that. Maybe it will be better that way...Vegard Aune wrote:Seeing how I recently got a bit overly bored by the One Piece anime and put it on hold for a few months, and then tried to catch up and found that the stretch of episodes I had been putting off were suddenly considerably more enjoyable marathoned, I'm inclined to disagree.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Dragonball Kai and the One Piece fandom
The thing that bothers me the most of the possibly future "One Piece Kai" is that the first 150 or so episodes are not in wide screen.
I'd like them to reanimate the entire show because of that and because the first three or so arcs look really dated compared to the newer stuff. I'm sorry but i'm a consistency whore, it just bothers me.
Just for curiosity, would Toei be able to upscale and widescreen the first One Piece arcs? Maybe the quality wouldn't be that great compared to the purely made HD new episodes, but at least it would fix my OCD.
Not to mention most of their fillers created plotholes, and everytime the animators announced another freaking filler arc after only one month of canon from the last, my blood boiled in rage.
So yeah, i'd rather take slow pacing than filler fests, at least i'm still watching canon stuff albeit slowly, instead of watching pointless wastes of time.
I'd like them to reanimate the entire show because of that and because the first three or so arcs look really dated compared to the newer stuff. I'm sorry but i'm a consistency whore, it just bothers me.
Just for curiosity, would Toei be able to upscale and widescreen the first One Piece arcs? Maybe the quality wouldn't be that great compared to the purely made HD new episodes, but at least it would fix my OCD.
I totally agree. In fact, One Piece is a joy to marathon through. Meanwhile, when i marathoned Naruto i had to always have a filler list open, check what is filler, what is half filler etc. And i had to waste my time skipping things every 20 EPISODES!Seeing how I recently got a bit overly bored by the One Piece anime and put it on hold for a few months, and then tried to catch up and found that the stretch of episodes I had been putting off were suddenly considerably more enjoyable marathoned, I'm inclined to disagree. And whatever the case... the One Piece anime is nowhere near as slow as DBZ at its worst.
Not to mention most of their fillers created plotholes, and everytime the animators announced another freaking filler arc after only one month of canon from the last, my blood boiled in rage.
So yeah, i'd rather take slow pacing than filler fests, at least i'm still watching canon stuff albeit slowly, instead of watching pointless wastes of time.
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Naruto's attitude to filler is the worst. Sticking a lengthy flashback filler arc right before a climactic battle is a reprehensible practice. I've never known such a frustrating practice to be employed in a long running anime.
That's what I do. I batch watch One Piece every 6 weeks.Vegard Aune wrote:Seeing how I recently got a bit overly bored by the One Piece anime and put it on hold for a few months, and then tried to catch up and found that the stretch of episodes I had been putting off were suddenly considerably more enjoyable marathoned, I'm inclined to disagree. And whatever the case... the One Piece anime is nowhere near as slow as DBZ at its worst.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I would have like them to do DB and OP like they are doing Naruto right now: take a break from the canon episodes by showing filler arcs, and when the time for the canon episodes comes, go at a full speed. It may be annoying for someone that is watching it weekly, but it won't be annoying at all when someone is watching the whole thing at once, since he would be able to skip the fillers. One Piece at this point (1 episode = 1 chapter) is boring both if you are watching it weekly, or if you are watching it all at once.
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While the flashbacks are extremely annoying, you can skip them in while watching them, and you lose nothing from the plot. You can't skip the dragged fight between Freeza & Goku though.Blade wrote:Naruto's attitude to filler is the worst. Sticking a lengthy flashback filler arc right before a climactic battle is a reprehensible practice. I've never known such a frustrating practice to be employed in a long running anime.
This is why I prefer the way Naruto is done compared to the way DB(Z) & OP are done. The fillers in Naruto are skip-able, while the fillers in DB(Z) & OP are not most of the time.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Dragonball Kai and the One Piece fandom
They already did a widescreen/upscaled crop of early OP — that's what 'One Piece Special Edition' is — and it looks like total garbage.Flame Dragon wrote:Just for curiosity, would Toei be able to upscale and widescreen the first One Piece arcs? Maybe the quality wouldn't be that great compared to the purely made HD new episodes, but at least it would fix my OCD.
Blue wrote:I love how Season 2 is so off color even the box managed to be so.
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Yeah, it was totally lazy on their part. What they seem to have preferred to do as opposed to remaster footage is to just create newly animated specials that retell early story arcs, such as 'Episode of Merry' and 'Episode of Nami'. That way, they can use modern looking animation in any future 'flashbacks'.Puto wrote:They already did a widescreen/upscaled crop of early OP — that's what 'One Piece Special Edition' is — and it looks like total garbage.Flame Dragon wrote:Just for curiosity, would Toei be able to upscale and widescreen the first One Piece arcs? Maybe the quality wouldn't be that great compared to the purely made HD new episodes, but at least it would fix my OCD.
Off the top of my head, I remember that Brook's flashbacks of Laboon were just the old 480 footage pillar-boxed with some tacky static One Piece branding, which kinda emphasised the point as to why they needed to do something.
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