Goku, a Mary-Sue?

[ABED]

So because he's a god, he can't be surpassed?

Because he's a 50 thousand year old god who created a super powerful technique that he could barely use himself, it is illogical that one random low level fighter could not only learn that same technique in one year, but completely master it and make it several times greater.

That's an abuse of the word "random". It's not illogical, some people are really good at picking stuff up quickly, and improving on it. In real life these people are called wunderkind, and it's not like Kaio was under any kind of pressure. Necessity is the mother of invention, plus Kaio had come up with the technique, so Goku's not starting from scratch, so he has an inherent leg up on his teacher.

I don't know why I continue to converse with you on this subject other than my compulsion to have the last word.

[RandomGuy96]

So because he's a god, he can't be surpassed?

Because he's a 50 thousand year old god who created a super powerful technique that he could barely use himself, it is illogical that one random low level fighter could not only learn that same technique in one year, but completely master it and make it several times greater.

That's an abuse of the word "random". It's not illogical, some people are really good at picking stuff up quickly, and improving on it. In real life these people are called wunderkind, and it's not like Kaio was under any kind of pressure. Necessity is the mother of invention, plus Kaio had come up with the technique, so Goku's not starting from scratch, so he has an inherent leg up on his teacher.

Kaio, a god, created a powerful, game-breaking technique that was so super awesome that not even he, the inventor, could use it throughout the thousands of years that he had been alive. But this low level mortal who had never even heard of the technique and was absolute garbage-tier compared to said god in both power and experience, managed to not only learn that technique, but be better at it than the inventor, and make it several times better, while also receiving the biggest power-up in the entire series up to that point, and learning another super-special-awesome technique. This all happened in one year.

If you can't see how that's illogical, I don't know what to tell you.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Kaio, along with every other god, wasn't a training-junkie for all these thousands years though.

[RandomGuy96]

Kaio, along with every other god, wasn't a training-junkie for all these thousands years though.

Maybe so. But him being so lazy that his collective training didn't even add up to a few hundred years, or at least enough to actually use his own technique, when Goku pretty much mastered and improved the Kaio-Ken in a few months? And him being so shitty with his technique that a mortal could instantly succeed where he failed in that time? I don't buy it.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Goku was motivated to learn this technique because he had to get stronger fast to save the Earth. Kaio had no motivation, and he doesn't even train according to his routine. He only does silly things like counting the grasses, or driving around his planet (or that was anime-only?).

[Zephyr]

You know what Goku's got going for him that nobody else does? He's an alien from a fighting race, and was trained by several legendary martial arts experts (one of whom prior to the first chapter, who was soon greatly hyped up). The former made him inherently more attuned to ki based techniques than humans naturally are, and the latter made him more able to tap into said abilities than many other alien fighters.

Take that combined head start, add his general sense of determination and desire to get better at fighting, and I'd say Goku's knack for learning shit has some logical backbone to it.

[rereboy]

Just because he is a god, it doesn't mean that he is more talented than anyone. Heck, even Nappa was stronger than him, as he admitted himself, let alone Vegeta. That basically proves that Saiyans in general, or at least some Saiyans, are just way better than him and have way more potential and talent.

Also, being thousands of years old and being weaker than Nappa is already an indication that he's really not that talented compared to the fighters we see in the series. He even has a planet with gravity as high as Planet Vegeta and, despite that, he still was weaker than Nappa after thousands of years. Kaio just happened to figure out two very useful and powerful techniques during all those years, but even though he figured them out, he didn't even have the talent to fully master them (or didn't care to).

[dario03]

Kaio, along with every other god, wasn't a training-junkie for all these thousands years though.

Maybe so. But him being so lazy that his collective training didn't even add up to a few hundred years, or at least enough to actually use his own technique, when Goku pretty much mastered and improved the Kaio-Ken in a few months? And him being so shitty with his technique that a mortal could instantly succeed where he failed in that time? I don't buy it.

Well how lazy was he? Heck is he even in shape?
I would expect a athlete that started training, sparring, and fighting martial arts for a hour a day for a year would be better at it than somebody that was lazy except for training in martial arts mostly alone for a hour a month for 30+ years.