What would you have wanted the Shadow Dragon Arc to be like?

[Hellspawn28]

I fail to see how fusion or Genkidama equates to Buu arc ripoff. And how does all out war mean every character gets spotlighted?

Super Yi Xing Long's death was a rehash of Kid Buu's death and SSj4 Gogeta pretty much act the same way that Vegito did. Movie 12 Gogeta was bloodlust and killed Janemba in seconds. If SSj4 Gogeta had the same personality as his Movie 12 counter part, Gogeta would kill Super Yi Xing Long off the bat.

[ABED]

I fail to see how fusion or Genkidama equates to Buu arc ripoff. And how does all out war mean every character gets spotlighted?

Super Yi Xing Long's death was a rehash of Kid Buu's death and SSj4 Gogeta pretty much act the same way that Vegito did. Movie 12 Gogeta was bloodlust and killed Janemba in seconds. If SSj4 Gogeta had the same personality as his Movie 12 counter part, Gogeta would kill Super Yi Xing Long off the bat.

Several big differences: The scope of the Genkidamas, SS4 Gogeta and Vegetto had two different goals. Vegetto was trying to get inside Buu to release their friends, so he was wasting time. Gogeta was trying to have fun and win at the same time, but time ran out. Those are two big differences. If Gogeta had killed Super 1 Star Dragon, where's the drama?

Everyone joining in the last battle against Omega Shenron would be pointless, it would be like fighting alongside a railgun with a bb gun, they would get in the way....unless Bulma found a way to give them all super power ups with another ray machine.

It's better to go down swinging.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Well, they kind of, sorta, did do an elemental thing with the Dragons. I again cannot remember the Japanese names so bear with me, but Haze had pollution; Rage had electricity; Oceanus had...I forget if it was more water or wind, considering; Naturon had ground; Nuova had fire; Eis had ice; and Syn was pretty much darkness, or 'negative energy' incarnate. Some of those aren't traditionally elements, but they did all have a 'thing' about them, which would've been even cooler to see toyed with properly, yeah.

[EXBadguy]

Even though I thought it was the best saga of GT, and honestly one of the best of the series. I also wished it was the last saga of Z instead of the Buu saga. However there's thing I'd like to fix.



Adult Gotenks vs Oceanus Shenron- Goten and Trunks can fight seprately first, then fuse. I also wished thar Oceanus Shenron had a form called "Alpha Shenron", since she's the first one to be wished by Oolong.

Pan and Uub vs Naturon Shenron- Instead of Goku defeating Naturon, it should be Uub and Pan, with Uub taking Pan out of Naturon and then have them destroy him. The fight would also have a comedy scene with Naturon creating holes for him to toy with Uub and Pan by playing a game called "blast a mole".


Gohan vs Rage Shenron- Like the other one, have Gohan destroy Rage instead of Goku. Gohan should just stay in his normal form to fight Rage and then finish him off by transforming into his Elder Kai ability form to deliver a lightning fast fatal kick, blowing Rage up.


Yamcha and Tien vs Haze Shenron- It would start with Haze Shenron in the Capsule Corp starting destruction and then Yancha and Tien would step in to fight the dragon. Haze would be more focused on Yamcha then Tien because Yamcha is the reason for his existence. Since Yamcha hasn't fought for a long time, he'd be slow. Later in the fight, he'd thought about using his Wolf Fang Fist, but as he starts his WF Stance, he suffers from arthritis on his arms and wrists, his knee caps cracked, his legs break, and Yamcha falls down and cries. Tien infuriated by what happens, powered up and fought Haze with all his might, but it was never enough. Tien prepares to sacrifice himself by using a full power Tri Beam and Haze charges his mouth beam. As tien prepares to use the Tri Beam, Vegeta comes in and Kiai blasted both him and Haze.


Vegeta vs Haze Shenron- I actually wanted the fight to be sort of like a funny rehash of the Vegeta vs Cui fight, though more worthy for Vegeta to have spotlight. It starts with Vegeta calling Tien a fool for trying to sacrfice himself again and go call the paramedics for Yamcha. Then the fight would start with Vegeta and Haze exchanging their punches and kicks relentlessly, then Vegeta punches Haze out the Corps to the Wasteland. As Haze gets up, he gets angry and charges his polka dotted mouth beam. Vegeta would stand there and watched him do it and it was a big beam Haze shot from his mouth. Vegeta was shocked, but he deflected it. Haze gets mad then tries to continuosly punch Vegeta, but Vegeta kept on dodging and kicked him. After that, it would end with Vegeta going Super Saiyan and use an energy punch attack.

Oh, and I would change Haze's design into a kimodo dragon instead of a goofy frog.

Goten, Trunks, Pan, and Uub vs Nouva Shenron- As the Z warriors keep trying to fight Nouva, he burns then all out with his body heat armor. After Nouva transforms to his second form, the Z warriors thought of a strategy to just "play" hide and seek with the dragon and just shoot ki blasts. As Nouva found out what they were doing, all of the Z Warriors just fire Ki Blasts rapidly until the tire out. But Nouva chose not to destroy them and left to go find his brother, Eis.

Gohan and Vegeta vs Eis and Nouva- The fight would start with Gohan flying across the city to look for the others, but Eis stands in his way and Gohan powers up to his Elder Kai ability form and starts fighting. As they continue fighting, Nouva steps in, bring more trouble for Gohan, but Vegeta punches Nouva and wants to fight him, and then Nouva starts to change his mind on something.

Gohan, Vegeta, and Nouva vs Eis- All three of them fight Eis and instead of Goku destroying Eis, it should be Gohan with a Ultimate Gold Kamehameha. Then Nouva asks Gohan and Vegeta to leave him alone for him to think.

Z Warriors and Nouva vs Syn Shenron- The Z warriors found Syn and then powered up, along with Goten and Trunks fusing to fight him. As the fight continues, all of the warriors exchange their blows to hurt Syn, but it ends with Syn defeating all of them effortlessly, then Nouva sarcastically asks Syn if he's having fun, then he fights Syn. Nouva prepares his final attack against Syn, but Syn escapes from his attack, ending with Nouva destroying himself. Syn rises up to the air and charges a big blast to destroy half the city, but Goku comes in, transforms to his SSJ4 form and then kicked him in the stomach.

SSJ4 Goku vs Syn(then Omega) Shenron- Goku arrives after his brutal training and then fights Syn. The fight involves Syn telling Goku everything about his existence, along with yelling at him that everything was his fault with the dragonballs. Goku was in denial, told him that he doesn't believe it, shut up and then powers up. The fight continues with both of them exchanging blows, and firing ki blasts, but Goku ends up being the victor by blasting with a Dragon Fist Kamehameha combination. As Goku gathers all of the dragonballs, Syn regenerates and absorbs all of them and transforms to Omega. Goku's having a hard time fighting him and then the rest of the Z warriors fight him too.


And I honestly thought the rest of the Omega Shenron fight was fine. The SSJ4 Vegeta and Z Warriors fighting Omega, the SSJ4 fusion, it's just I wanted the final battle to be different, so....

SSJ2&3 Adult Goku vs Omega Shenron(final battle of the series)- After Omega Shenron destroyed half the planet along with Bulma, Chichi, and Videl in the rainy weather. The Z Warriors tried to get up, but they're at their limit. As Omega rises up in the rain, he also found out the Goku's still alive and that his tail was missing, then Goku turned back to normal. After Goku realizing that, he was very happy and then transformed to his Super Saiyan 2 form since his Super Saiyan form won't help. Then Goku rushes to Omega Shenron, fought for an episode by exchanging blows, Goku firing rapid ki blasts and Omega using his unique attacks. Then the next episode, Goku transforms to SSJ3 and powered up to the max, along with Omega. Then Omega used his Dragon Thunder in the air to create a big rainy thunderstorm for the final battle. They exchange blows and firing attacks again, but this time even bigger and satisfying. Then the fight will end with Goku doing a giant Ultimate Dragon Fist, destroying Omega for good. Then the sun shines with Goku turning back to normal with raising his fist up in the air.

And I wouldn't change the ending. To me, that was a REAL goodbye. Only difference is that Goku is back to his adult size.


That's all I got.

[AnzuMazaki]

I personally think none of this stuff or ANY of GT for that matter should have happened at all...

Yamcha and Tenshinhan vs Haze Shenron- It would start with Haze Shenron in the Capsule Corp starting destruction and then Yancha and Tenshinhan would step in to fight the dragon. Haze would be more focused on Yamcha then Tenshinhan because Yamcha is the reason for his existence. Since Yamcha hasn't fought for a long time, he'd be slow. Later in the fight, he'd thought about using his Wolf Fang Fist, but as he starts his WF Stance, he suffers from arthritis on his arms and wrists, his knee caps cracked, his legs break, and Yamcha falls down and cries. Tenshinhan infuriated by what happens, powered up and fought Haze with all his might, but it was never enough. Tenshinhan prepares to sacrifice himself by using a full power Tri Beam and Haze charges his mouth beam. As Tenshinhan prepares to use the Tri Beam, Vegeta comes in and Kiai blasted both him and Haze.

Why do I find this version sad?
Personally I would have given those two a chance to shine instead of such bad arthritis that a fighting pose would break both legs.
Besides Yamcha is ONLY 57 years old at this point, in his physical condition (although he quit fighting) he wouldn't have that severe arthiritis until his late 80s/early 90s.

[TheUltimateVegito]

Gogeta was trying to have fun and win at the same time, but time ran out.

Wasn't Gogeta's goal to force Omega Shenron into using his minus energy ball so he can erase the negative energy covering the earth?

[ABED]

I don't remember specifically, but his ultimate goal was to kill the dragon which is what he was going to do right before time ran out.

[TheUltimateVegito]

I don't remember specifically, but his ultimate goal was to kill the dragon which is what he was going to do right before time ran out.

Yeah, but that was after Omega Shenron used the minus energy ball.

[ABED]

I don't remember specifically, but his ultimate goal was to kill the dragon which is what he was going to do right before time ran out.

Yeah, but that was after Omega Shenron used the minus energy ball.

That wasn't his big goal. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at.

[Hellspawn28]

I would changes the wishes how the Dragons were born.

1 Star Dragon - Born from the wish when Oolong wishes for a pair of panties. This one would work the best for the One Star Dragon because it's the first wish from the series and it would be nice if they tie in Emperor Pilaf with the final villain in the series. Not to mention a wish for panties giving birth to the most powerful force in the universe would be interesting. Also having the One Star Dragon be the oldest dragon would also make more sense too.

2 Star Dragon - Born from the Goku wish for Upa's father to be revived. This one can stay.

3 Star Dragon - Born from the wish when wishing for reviving everyone killed by Piccolo Daimo and his evil spawn. Since the Third Star and Four Star dragons are brothers, it would make sense to both tie in them with Piccolo Daimo. I'm surprise Toei didn't thought of this, instead the Third Star Dragon was born from the wish that erase the memories of Majin Buu on Earth (That wish is now retcon now thanks to the 2008 Jump special)

4 Star Dragon - Born from when Piccolo Daimo wishes for his youth to be restored. This one can stay too.

5 Star Dragon - Born from the wish to revived the people who died on Planet Namek from Freeza.

6 Star Dragon - Born from Garlic Jr.'s wish for immortality. DBZ Movie 1 is already canon to the DBZ anime thanks to the Garlic Jr. saga, so why not?

7 Star Dragon - Born from the wish to bring all of the good people that died on the day of the 25th Tenkachi Budokai. This one can stay as well.

[ABED]

1 Star Dragon - Born from the wish when Oolong wishes for a pair of panties. This one would work the best for the One Star Dragon because it's the first wish from the series and it would be nice if they tie in Emperor Pilaf with the final villain in the series. Not to mention a wish for panties giving birth to the most powerful force in the universe would be interesting.

That undercuts the villain, so a bad idea.

[TheUltimateVegito]

I don't remember specifically, but his ultimate goal was to kill the dragon which is what he was going to do right before time ran out.

Yeah, but that was after Omega Shenron used the minus energy ball.

That wasn't his big goal. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at.

Well, Vegito's big goal was to destroy Buu after freeing those he absorbed. That's similar to how Gogeta's big goal was to destroy Omega after erasing the negative energy.

[ABED]

I still don't see how those two things are similar. Erasing negative energy and getting friends back, are they even close in your mind?

Again, I don't recall if erasing the negative energy was his goal or just a happy accident. Wouldn't the negative energy dissipated after he killed him?

[TheUltimateVegito]

I still don't see how those two things are similar. Erasing negative energy and getting friends back, are they even close in your mind?

I mean similar as in they both were primary objectives before destroying their respective adversaries.

Again, I don't recall if erasing the negative energy was his goal or just a happy accident. Wouldn't the negative energy dissipated after he killed him?

Good point. I just always assumed Gogeta had to force Omega into using his minus energy ball since that would be the only sensible reason for Gogeta to toy around with Omega like Vegito did with Buu.

[ABED]

Good point. I just always assumed Gogeta had to force Omega into using his minus energy ball since that would be the only sensible reason for Gogeta to toy around with Omega like Vegito did with Buu.

Which goes to my point about it not being a primary objective. In the case of every other Evil Dragon, once they were destroyed, the effects of their negative energy dissipated.

I always assumed Gogeta toyed with the 1 star Dragon because he was so overwhelmingly powerful, just like Gotenks. Yeah, I know they were kids, but still.

I mean similar as in they both were primary objectives before destroying their respective adversaries.

That's very broad, to the point that I find calling it a rehash to be silly.