Power level of Pan ?(DBZ)

[flashback0180]

The only impressive feat we know of Pan is that she traveled the earth.

It would be under few hours or a day(max) , I doubt either Chichi or Videl will allow a 4 year old to do something like that.


I thinks is't above Teen Goku and below Kid Gohan (after piccolos training ) .

What do you guys think ?

[KentalSSJ6]

I can only remember her line from the old Funi dub but she does mention that she flew around the world 4 times as she returns to where Goku and Goten are sparring. Not sure if its mentioned how long it took her though but the fact remains that she did not look fatigued whatsoever after supposedly flying the world 4 times.

Add that to the fact that she is the daughter of Goten and stronger the parent at time of conception = stronger the child (as shown with Goten compared to Gohan), I think its safe to say Pan is at the least within the 100 thousands range.

[VegettoEX]

Add that to the fact that she is the daughter of Goten

Pan is the daughter of Gohan and Videl .

[KentalSSJ6]

Add that to the fact that she is the daughter of Goten

Pan is the daughter of Gohan and Videl .

Gotta love spacing out when typing.

[Darkron2151]

I have her at around 600,000 because:

• 1. Genetics
  2. Goku saying she'll "go far" in the tournament, despite everyone except the normal humans being in the millions
  3. Her feat with flying around the world 4 times without the slightest sign of fatigue.

[Tyro]

She only circled around the Earth once in the manga.

Chapter: 518 (DBZ 324), P3.8-9
Pan: “Grandpa. I've circled around the Earth!”
Goku: “Alrii—iight! Great, that was pretty fast!”

I wouldn't say that she was completely unfatigued. She was sweating a little bit although her breathing was normal.

[Kamiccolo9]

Well, we know that if nothing else, she has better ki control than Buu Arc Videl, seeing as she flew a much greater distance than Videl did without getting as tired. Presumably, this would also mean that she's stronger than Videl, and I don't think we've got enough left to go off of to make any more solid guesses, and we don't really have any way of knowing how fast she was flying.

Add that to the fact that she is the daughter of Goten and stronger the parent at time of conception = stronger the child (as shown with Goten compared to Gohan), I think its safe to say Pan is at the least within the 100 thousands range.

That's for half-Saiyans. Pan has less Saiyan blood than Gohan, Goten, or Trunks. We don't know how strong a quarter-Saiyan would be.

[RandomGuy96]

I doubt she's weaker than Goten or Trunks were at that age. I'd guess that she's over ten million, in battle power terms.

[Kamiccolo9]

I doubt she's weaker than Goten or Trunks were at that age.

There's nothing backing that up. We just don't have enough information. And using the other kids as a baseline to determine Pan's strength doesn't work, since she's not a half-Saiyan like they are. Her Saiyan genes are more diluted.

Plus, we don't know how strong Goten and Trunks were at that age, anyway.

[RandomGuy96]

I doubt she's weaker than Goten or Trunks were at that age.

There's nothing backing that up. We just don't have enough information. And using the other kids as a baseline to determine Pan's strength doesn't work, since she's not a half-Saiyan like they are. Her Saiyan genes are more diluted.

Plus, we don't know how strong Goten and Trunks were at that age, anyway.

We don't have enough information either way, but that's just my preference, as it's a common practice throughout the manga to have new generations surpass the last (Crane Hermit/Ten, Roshi/Goku, Piccolo/Piccolo, Goku/Gohan, Freeza/Cold, etc.) and Pan seemed to be built up for great things.

Considering they were in the tens of millions at seven, we can make a pretty good guess.

[Kamiccolo9]

I doubt she's weaker than Goten or Trunks were at that age.

There's nothing backing that up. We just don't have enough information. And using the other kids as a baseline to determine Pan's strength doesn't work, since she's not a half-Saiyan like they are. Her Saiyan genes are more diluted.

Plus, we don't know how strong Goten and Trunks were at that age, anyway.

We don't have enough information either way, but that's just my preference, as it's a common practice throughout the manga to have new generations surpass the last, and Pan seemed to be built up for great things.

Considering they were in the tens of millions at seven, we can make a pretty good guess.

Fair enough. As long as no one is going around saying that she HAS to be such-and-such strong because of reasons.

Personally, I don't like her being in the millions. I feel that a four year old (I think she's four, right?) would not have the discipline to keep constant control over that kind of power. It would be like Goku accidentally slapping Chi-Chi through the wall, only much, much worse. I would personally place her, from what information we actually have, anywhere from slightly stronger than Goku at the beginning of the story to anything that's not celestial-body busting. Maybe 22nd Budokai Goku and Tien level. That's way more than enough needed to "go far" in a tournament consisting of mostly "normal" people (Captain Chicken notwithstanding.)

[RandomGuy96]

Fair enough. As long as no one is going around saying that she HAS to be such-and-such strong because of reasons.

Personally, I don't like her being in the millions. I feel that a four year old (I think she's four, right?) would not have the discipline to keep constant control over that kind of power. It would be like Goku accidentally slapping Chi-Chi through the wall, only much, much worse. I would personally place her, from what information we actually have, anywhere from slightly stronger than Goku at the beginning of the story to anything that's not celestial-body busting. Maybe 22nd Budokai Goku and Tenshinhan level. That's way more than enough needed to "go far" in a tournament consisting of mostly "normal" people (Captain Chicken notwithstanding.)

Goten and Trunks had far more than that, and they didn't bust the Earth. Every fighter can control and condense their ki into a small area, they only destroy planets if they want to. Even Gohan, at age 4-5, could make the surface of the Earth a lifeless, barren rock if he chose to do so. I don't like Pan being inexplicably weaker than the other hybrids, especially given the point of her character and the minor build-up she gets.

[Kamiccolo9]

Fair enough. As long as no one is going around saying that she HAS to be such-and-such strong because of reasons.

Personally, I don't like her being in the millions. I feel that a four year old (I think she's four, right?) would not have the discipline to keep constant control over that kind of power. It would be like Goku accidentally slapping Chi-Chi through the wall, only much, much worse. I would personally place her, from what information we actually have, anywhere from slightly stronger than Goku at the beginning of the story to anything that's not celestial-body busting. Maybe 22nd Budokai Goku and Tenshinhan level. That's way more than enough needed to "go far" in a tournament consisting of mostly "normal" people (Captain Chicken notwithstanding.)

Goten and Trunks had far more than that, and they didn't bust the Earth. Every fighter can control and condense their ki into a small area, they only destroy planets if they want to. Even Gohan, at age 4-5, could make the surface of the Earth a lifeless, barren rock if he chose to do so. I don't like Pan being inexplicably weaker than the other hybrids, especially given the point of her character and the minor build-up she gets.

Pan's not a fighter; she's a small child playing with toys. Only these toys happen to be large, strong "normal" people. And people dressed as chickens.
We don't know how strong Goten and Trunks were at 4-5. And personally, I wouldn't be all surprised if Goten and Trunk's powers had spiked fairly recently, considering how none of the people who really should have known better seemed to know how strong they were. That would also explain Goten's issue with ki control (Trunks had Vegeta training him, and was a bit older; Goten just had Chi-Chi, who wouldn't know any better.)

Gohan, at 4-5, had been through abusive training specifically designed for him to control and harness his power, and after said training, aside from some relapses in the fight with Nappa, did not act like a 4-5 year old. He was forced to grow up quickly. Pan is obviously still a child, with the mindset of one.

And like I said before, Pan isn't comparable to the other hybrids. They are all half-Saiyans. Pan is a quarter-Saiyan. For all we know, that could be at the whole other end of the spectrum from how strong half-Saiyans tend to be. Pan is obviously stronger than the average Earthling, but she doesn't actually do anything that I couldn't see Goku do in his first appearance, aside from the flying thing, which, seeing as Videl is capable of flying, seems to be more an issue with controlling and efficiently utilizing ki to that effect, rather than just having a lot of it.

I don't really see the "point" of her character. She's not really made out to be the next generation of here; that's what Uub is for. And the minor build-up she gets is just that-minor. Goku says that she'll go far in the tournament. That's it. And she is almost certainly stronger than the 5 "normal" people who were still in the budokai, and if she beats them, then she goes far. That doesn't really require her to be all that strong, in the grand scheme of things.

[xmysticgohanx]

Pan has better ki control than pre King Kai training Goku

[FoolsGil]

Pan = Kaioken x20 Goku-Freeza Saga


That sounds about right.

[xmysticgohanx]

That's crazy high, I have Pan at 1000.

[Kroni_Hunter]

I don't like putting the saiyan kids very high on the power scale. I tend to stick with low end estimates because I feel the higher ones undermine the training of the more experienced fighters.

[Hugo Boss]

Personally, I have Pan well above 30,000, something expected from a kid that has the potential to become a Super Saiyan. She looks the kind of character that would play a good role at Namek Saga. Circle an Earth-sized planet by flying is something Kuririn (from early Namek Saga) would need some rest during the process, but I believe Freeza's capsule could do it in a not-so-long period of time since it can travel great distances at extraordinary speeds. Maybe Pan can compete with it.

Judging from her GT performance against Dr. Gero, it is a little more difficult to say. She could easily be at the same level of Pre-RoSaT Gohan.

[ZombieVito]

That's crazy high, I have Pan at 1000.

That's pathetically low.

[Pantalones]

She's definitely way above beginning-of-Z Goku at the very least, since flying all the way around the world doesn't really wear her out (whereas Goku was still relying on the cloud for long-distance transportation at that point because flying too much did wear him out.)

Then again, there's a possibility that she isn't using regular Bukujutsu at all, but rather whatever technique Piccolo uses (which Gohan presumably learned from him and then taught to Videl--explaining how she can fly decent lengths without immediately passing out unconscious afterward even though she doesn't seem to be beyond the level of the Budokai fighters we saw back in Dragonball, and some of the strongest among them could only fly briefly using Bukujutsu if they could use it at all.) She would have to be way beyond Videl's level of course (Videl didn't seem like she could fly across the Earth without getting worn out, let alone do it so fast, and she's definitely not doing it 4 times in a row), but it's hard to say exactly how strong she is... partly because it's hard to even say how strong Videl is, besides "stronger than Mr. Satan."

Eh... probably safe to assume she's at least in the hundred-thousands range at her age, considering that Goten and Trunks were able to reach a vague place somewhere in the low millions (...high one-digit millions? low double-digit millions? nobody knows!) by the time they were 8ish years old. She'll probably be in the millions too by that age, though probably not quite as high as Goten and Trunks got unless she ends up actually fighting more. She doesn't play-fight with another part-Saiyan kid her own age all the time as far as we're aware, and I'm pretty sure Goten/Trunks' constant play-fighting from a young age is a big part of why they ended up so strong at 7/8 years old. So she may have higher potential/faster growth than them, but just hasn't brought as much of it out yet.