"Established Facts" that have changed: By Saga.

[ABED]

Fair enough, Toriyama contradicted himself, I'm going with what he originally said, it makes a lot more sense. Also, Roshi tells Goku that Gohan found him when he was a baby. Either Toriyama doesn't consider the story canon, or he forgot about his own continuity.

Technically, he was a baby in DB Minus, only a baby of three years old (I checked the chapter to make sure, and three years old is still considered a baby *though a big one*), and not a newborn baby. Also, Saiyans grow weird (Goku just grew giant off screen somewhere, Goten and Trunks look about the same years after the end of the Buu Saga, etc), so it's all relative.

A three year old isn't considered a baby. At most, a baby could be two, but not three.

[nhienphan2808]

are we taking the words too seriously? Could have been a translate issue. I'd be great if someone confirm this with the original Japanese script. The manga translated and republished in my country has Roshi's word as "a little boy - a child", not "baby" . And i recall Gine call the same 3-year-old a "baby" in a online version of Minus.

[TheGmGoken]

Fair enough, Toriyama contradicted himself, I'm going with what he originally said, it makes a lot more sense. Also, Roshi tells Goku that Gohan found him when he was a baby. Either Toriyama doesn't consider the story canon, or he forgot about his own continuity.

Technically, he was a baby in DB Minus, only a baby of three years old (I checked the chapter to make sure, and three years old is still considered a baby *though a big one*), and not a newborn baby. Also, Saiyans grow weird (Goku just grew giant off screen somewhere, Goten and Trunks look about the same years after the end of the Buu Saga, etc), so it's all relative.

A three year old isn't considered a baby. At most, a baby could be two, but not three.

Depends on area or even the person themselves. Baby can range. Some people consider anyone under 6 or 7 a baby. It's not uncommon for a 3 year old or even 4 year to be called a baby.

[ABED]

are we taking the words too seriously? Could have been a translate issue. I'd be great if someone confirm this with the original Japanese script. The manga translated and republished in my country has Roshi's word as "a little boy - a child", not "baby" . And i recall Gine call the same 3-year-old a "baby" in a online version of Minus.

I'm taking them at face value. Maybe VIZ translated it wrong.

Baby's aren't 3 years old. He's a toddler. A 7 year old isn't a baby, and I would hope those people are being metaphorical. An infant/baby can't talk. I don't want to get sidetracked on the issue of what constitutes a baby and a toddler in the main thread. If you want to continue, then PM me.

[Super Sonic]

Things change in comics often. For example, pre-Crisis DC, there are several Batman stories that go back and forth on whether Martha Wayne was shot by the mugger, or did he only shoot her husband which led her to having a fatal heart attack at that happening. Also Wayne Manor was not Bruce's family home at all the time, and just a place he bought. Also in older Marvel stories Xavier wasn't too much older than the original X-Men at first. Only old enough to be their big brother, instead of nowadays where he's old enough to be their father.

[EXBadguy]

I'm surprised "you know who" didn't come to this thread yet. He would LOVE the shit this thread since we're talking about inconsistencies.*sarcasm* I kid, I kid.

But on a serious note, half of the stuff you said TC, I think those were plot twists. I mean hey, sometimes a super straightforward story isn't that fun.

[ABED]

Things change in comics often. For example, pre-Crisis DC, there are several Batman stories that go back and forth on whether Martha Wayne was shot by the mugger, or did he only shoot her husband which led her to having a fatal heart attack at that happening. Also Wayne Manor was not Bruce's family home at all the time, and just a place he bought. Also in older Marvel stories Xavier wasn't too much older than the original X-Men at first. Only old enough to be their big brother, instead of nowadays where he's old enough to be their father.

True enough, but you're talking about American comics that have a beginning and an infinite middle, told by many different authors. DB is one story told and drawn by one author (he had an assistant, but I digress), so it's different. It's not a case of different authors having different views on how they see the characters and stories, it's one author who often forgets his own continuity. This is more like FRIENDS where the writers can't seem to make up their mind about how old the characters are. Seriously, Chandler claims Rachel is 28 in season 3, but she doesn't turn 30 until season 7?

[Vegard Aune]

I just remembered while watching the first episode of the Demon King Piccolo arc... It's repeatedly stated that the Mafuuba kills the user. Mutaito died using it, Tenshinhan intends to use it fully knowing that he'll die from it...
Yet in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, God tries using the technique and everyone is like "Oh of course! That way he could have defeated Piccolo without harming himself at all!" I mean I guess one could say that if one is sufficiently strong, one can survive the technique, but the way they talk about it literally goes from "Use it and you'll die!" to "It's completely harmless to the user!"

[Marco Polo]

It's pointless to argue English terminology since the original statements were in Japanese anyway.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But it never states this in the manga about tailless Saiyans (at least, that I recall). Nothing about being "tailless 2nd generation Saiyan/Human hybrids" sounds like it should make them special easy Super Saiyans. Frankly, Toriyama was probably just done with the Giant Ape form and tail weakness and wanted them to turn SSJ quick, for a joke at Vegeta's expense.

Yeah, nothing is stated in the manga. Gohan & Vegeta are just WTF when they see SS Goten & Trunks, and that's it.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

I thought Prince Vegeta was named after His Father who named the planet after himself after they wiped out the Tuffles which is what made him king; before he met Freeza. Is none of this true? Isnt that how it works? If it doesnt than the filler than at least said this as well made more sense to me.