Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Did he said something like that about B.o.G? I'm asking that because for me it's not the same to say that a new story was born in the original history in the lost decade aka Battle of Gods, like to say: a story as a continuation of the original manga.... For me it's a pretty good difference between the two statements. Was ever Battle of Gods considered a continuation of the manga? I do not think so..... It was a new untold story just like the 2008 special. Isn't it?

You made me to think about it? Let me interpret once again:

[As with the last movie], I thought up the new story for the next Dragon Ball theatrical movie as though it were a continuation of the manga when it was in serialization.

So Toriyama's comparing the situation to of Battle of Gods'. So he treats Battle of Gods a continuation?

Yes, he did say that about Battle of Gods. More than once. Here's an example:

Apparently, it’s been 17 whole years since the last animated Dragon Ball movie! To be able to have a new work made after so many years and months have passed, I have to thank all the people who have given their support. For all the animation up to now, I’ve basically just left everything up [to the staff], so this is my first try at being involved starting from the story’s creation. At any rate, it was quite a long time ago that I drew Dragon Ball, so I had to start by working to remember it. I pulled out the comics [i.e., the tankōbon] of my own work, which it’s fair to say I never look at; and as I flipped through it, even though I’ve gotten older, as you’d expect of the original creator, I was quickly able to recapture the feeling from back then. The keywords this time, “God of Destruction Beerus” and “Super Saiyan God”, were suggestions from the scriptwriter, but they were good ideas for presenting a crisis for the main characters, who had grown so strong that they’d reached a point where there was nothing higher. I borrowed these ideas, and after first deciding on Beerus’ character design and background, I tried thinking up an original story, imagining it as though [the manga's] serialization had continued. The God of Destruction Beerus, who I drew the design for myself (something I don’t usually do), is a terrifying opponent so overwhelmingly strong that he surpasses the dimension of the previous enemies. But it’s my trademark to not let things get too dark. At the very least, I’m satisfied that it’s been finished up as a very entertaining piece of work.

By the way, the battle scenes in the second half are particularly overwhelming! I was moved because the presentation exceeded my expectations. While I had expected, “It probably won’t be any good,” it was greatly different from a certain country’s live-action movie, which really was no good. Just as you’d expect, Japan’s animation is superb! Everyone on the staff, you really did a great job!!

Well, please enjoy the first Dragon Ball in a long time!

[sintzu]

it was greatly different from a certain country’s live-action movie, which really was no good. Just as you’d expect, Japan’s animation is superb!

Finally someone official said it.

[Low Tone G]

Did he said something like that about B.o.G? I'm asking that because for me it's not the same to say that a new story was born in the original history in the lost decade aka Battle of Gods, like to say: a story as a continuation of the original manga.... For me it's a pretty good difference between the two statements. Was ever Battle of Gods considered a continuation of the manga? I do not think so..... It was a new untold story just like the 2008 special. Isn't it?

You made me to think about it? Let me interpret once again:

[As with the last movie], I thought up the new story for the next Dragon Ball theatrical movie as though it were a continuation of the manga when it was in serialization.

So Toriyama's comparing the situation to of Battle of Gods'. So he treats Battle of Gods a continuation?

Yes, he did say that about Battle of Gods. More than once. Here's an example:

Apparently, it’s been 17 whole years since the last animated Dragon Ball movie! To be able to have a new work made after so many years and months have passed, I have to thank all the people who have given their support. For all the animation up to now, I’ve basically just left everything up [to the staff], so this is my first try at being involved starting from the story’s creation. At any rate, it was quite a long time ago that I drew Dragon Ball, so I had to start by working to remember it. I pulled out the comics [i.e., the tankōbon] of my own work, which it’s fair to say I never look at; and as I flipped through it, even though I’ve gotten older, as you’d expect of the original creator, I was quickly able to recapture the feeling from back then. The keywords this time, “God of Destruction Beerus” and “Super Saiyan God”, were suggestions from the scriptwriter, but they were good ideas for presenting a crisis for the main characters, who had grown so strong that they’d reached a point where there was nothing higher. I borrowed these ideas, and after first deciding on Beerus’ character design and background, I tried thinking up an original story, imagining it as though [the manga's] serialization had continued. The God of Destruction Beerus, who I drew the design for myself (something I don’t usually do), is a terrifying opponent so overwhelmingly strong that he surpasses the dimension of the previous enemies. But it’s my trademark to not let things get too dark. At the very least, I’m satisfied that it’s been finished up as a very entertaining piece of work.

By the way, the battle scenes in the second half are particularly overwhelming! I was moved because the presentation exceeded my expectations. While I had expected, “It probably won’t be any good,” it was greatly different from a certain country’s live-action movie, which really was no good. Just as you’d expect, Japan’s animation is superb! Everyone on the staff, you really did a great job!!

Well, please enjoy the first Dragon Ball in a long time!

Yeah you're right. So Uub's appearing is totally excluded?

[AnimeMaakuo]

So if the movie it's a continuation of the original manga, then it suppose to mean the movie's taking place after Goku taking Uub as his disciple.

I'm going to stop you right here. All Toriyama said is that he's writing the story for this film as if he were continuing the manga during serialization. That doesn't mean it's taking place after Uub and the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai though, as he said the same thing about Battle of Gods.

Did he said something like that about B.o.G? I'm asking that because for me it's not the same to say that a new story was born in the original history in the lost decade aka Battle of Gods, like to say: a story as a continuation of the original manga.... For me it's a pretty good difference between the two statements. Was ever Battle of Gods considered a continuation of the manga? I do not think so..... It was a new untold story just like the 2008 special. Isn't it?

You made me to think about it? Let me interpret once again:

[As with the last movie], I thought up the new story for the next Dragon Ball theatrical movie as though it were a continuation of the manga when it was in serialization.

So Toriyama's comparing the situation to of Battle of Gods'. So he treats Battle of Gods a continuation? Couldn't it be that the text from the brackets was added by somebody else? Those brackets really bother me...

I refuse to believe that Battle of Gods is an official continuation of the original manga. To me, that seems like a horrible idea. Dragon Ball ended quite some time ago.

[Cetra]

I refuse to believe that Battle of Gods is an official continuation of the original manga. To me, that seems like a horrible idea. Dragon Ball ended quite some time ago.

To be perfectly technical he only said he thought of it as such when he wrote it, not that it really is one, however I am pretty sure that he still means it.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Yeah you're right. So Uub's appearing is totally excluded?

All I can say is that Toriyama made the same statement about Battle of Gods being written as if he had continued the manga during serialization and that he picked the gap between Buu and Uub because he thought everyone would be to old if he placed it after the latter. This movie could take place after Uub, but I do think the chances of that aren't very good.

I refuse to believe that Battle of Gods is an official continuation of the original manga. That's a horrible idea. Dragon Ball ended quite some time ago.

No one is forcing you to accept Battle of Gods as the continuation. You can believe whatever you want, just like Mike and his Buffy/Angel example from a few pages back. That, however, does not change the fact that Toriyama himself is writing these films with that intent.

[hleV]

So what are we supposed to disregard? The things in the original manga that contradict BOG, or the things in BOG that contradict the manga? Toriyama doesn't seem to realize that this continuation thing doesn't really work too well.

I'll probably stick with "Toriyama said he made a new story imagining as if he continued the manga, but never stated that it is a continuation of the manga's story". I do like certain aspects and new information BOG provides, however it's not about preference but about coming to a logical conclusion about whether it works or not.

[FortuneSSJ]

I'm interesting to see the new characters. Beerus was a great addition to the series.
I'm happy Toriyama created him because he's different from any other.

This movie hype just made me want to rewatch the series once again. Just finishing Blue Dragon (which has Toriyama art style) and wil start rewatching this.

Yeah that error by Anime News Network is really thowin people off. Been trying to rectify it via youtube comments.

By the time we finally got ANN to correct that error, it was a little too late for the internet to catch up. I can't exactly say it's been fun doing damage control, but you know how people just take things and run with 'em these days.

Believe me I know. Been playin mop up on youtube with as many "Battle of Gods 2 Spring 2015 Confirmed!!!" videos as I can find. Was even told to kill myself when I posted a comment rectifying the ANN error. Fun times, fun times.

Dont bother and be happy. In the end, a lot of people will just say the movie is the worst thing ever and should never existed.
Between that comments will be ones like:
"I'm a DBZ fan but this sucks."
"Toriyama is ruining the series."
"The movie was predictable."
"There was no plot."
"Stop the milking."
"Broly is the best."
and others.

[Low Tone G]

Yeah you're right. So Uub's appearing is totally excluded?

All I can say is that Toriyama made the same statement about Battle of Gods being written as if he had continued the manga during serialization and that he picked the gap between Buu and Uub because he thought everyone would be to old if he placed it after the latter. This movie could take place after Uub, but I do think the chances of that aren't very good.

THX. I would love if it would turn to have a true continuation of the manga. But if Toriyama still intends to close up the manga with Goku's departure with Uub that isn't a big problem either.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

So what are we supposed to disregard? The things in the original manga that contradict BOG, or the things in BOG that contradict the manga? Toriyama doesn't seem to realize that this continuation thing doesn't really work too well.

I'll probably stick with "Toriyama said he made a new story imagining as if he continued the manga, but never stated that it is a continuation of the manga's story". I do like certain aspects and new information BOG provides, however it's not about preference but about coming to a logical conclusion about whether it works or not.

A lot of people have problems with the content of BOG based on their personal interpretations and such, but objectively speaking, there is very little in the movie that actually contradicts anything from the manga. Certainly nothing grander in scale than the plotholes the manga itself already contains within its pages.

So, you either accept the original author's new additions to the story and try to sort out any inconsistencies the same as you would with the ones present in the manga itself, or you don't care about his additions and disregard them. If you choose the former, it's typically the retcon that takes precedence over the older information, but you can do whatever you like or makes the most sense. Again, no canon. So, freedom...

[sintzu]

So what are we supposed to disregard? The things in the original manga that contradict BOG, or the things in BOG that contradict the manga? Toriyama doesn't seem to realize that this continuation thing doesn't really work too well.

Is there any contradiction other then some charecters looking younger then they should that can't be explained ?

I read that it takes place 5 years after the fight with buu,where did this come from ? cause i can only find it in the wiki

[AnimeMaakuo]

No one is forcing you to accept Battle of Gods as the continuation.

You're right. Nobody is forcing me. Thanks.

You can believe whatever you want, just like Mike and his Buffy/Angel example from a few pages back.

You're right. I will believe whatever I want. Thanks.

That, however, does not change the fact that Toriyama himself is writing these films with that intent.

You're right, my opinion doesn't change his feelings. Thanks for telling me that. But did he write the script for Battle of Gods? No. Did he come up with every character design by himself? No, he most certainly did not. This is why I choose not to accept this movie as being an official continuation of the original manga. The only reason Toriyama is doing this is because of money. I don't think he cares about Dragon Ball as much as you think he does.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Is there any contradiction other then some charecters looking younger then they should that can't be explained ?

I read that it takes place 5 years after the fight with buu,where did this come from ? cause i can only find it in the wiki

Marron is the only one who is actually weird in terms of appearance, but there there have been plenty of instances of teens being pint-sized in Dragon Ball too with Kuririn and Chi Chi for example. Saiyans hybrids are an exception I would say. I mean, there isn't any consistency with Gohan/Future Trunks and Goten/Trunks, but maybe Goten and present Trunks ended up with the stunted growth genes that pure Saiyans have. It's disappointing that none of the kids are changing, but not exactly wrong either...

Chozenshu timeline places it in AGE 778, 4 years after Buu.

You're right, my opinion doesn't change his feelings. Thanks for telling me that. But did he write the script for Battle of Gods? No. Did he come up with every character design by himself? No, he most certainly did not. This is why I choose not to accept this movie as being an official continuation of the original manga. The only reason Toriyama is doing this is because of money. I don't think he cares about Dragon Ball as much as you think.

I don't doubt that Toei could get hype raised to maximum by having Toriyama say whatever they want and that money is probably a big part of this (especially when he doesn't have to do as much work as he used to), but we've also seen that he seems to have taken a genuinely renewed interest after the failure that was Dragon Ball Evolution. But I think you have a bit of a misconception if you think Toriyama did the original serialization of Dragon Ball for any real reason other than money. He's made it very clear that was why he got into the manga industry, so I don't see what the difference would be here if he he's revisiting the franchise for the same reason he started it in the first place.

For everything else though? Yes, he did write the script and yes, he did do almost every character design himself. Beerus, Whis, Goku, Vegeta, Bluma, Chi Chi, Gyumao, etc. All the main cast favorites down to Bluma's mother and father. The only ones he didn't do were the background characters, like the chefs, caterers, pedestrians and the two cameo characters (police girl and the sushi chef).

[Cetra]

"Broly is the best."

Even without Broly in the movie. This would be the most kickass comment.

[AnimeMaakuo]

Is there any contradiction other then some charecters looking younger then they should that can't be explained ?

I read that it takes place 5 years after the fight with buu,where did this come from ? cause i can only find it in the wiki

Marron is the only one who is actually weird in terms of appearance, but there there have been plenty of instances of teens being pint-sized in Dragon Ball too with Kuririn and Chi Chi for example. Saiyans hybrids are an exception I would say. I mean, there isn't any consistency with Gohan/Future Trunks and Goten/Trunks, but maybe Goten and present Trunks ended up with the stunted growth genes that pure Saiyans have. It's disappointing that none of the kids are changing, but not exactly wrong either...

Chozenshu timeline places it in AGE 778, 4 years after Buu.

You're right, my opinion doesn't change his feelings. Thanks for telling me that. But did he write the script for Battle of Gods? No. Did he come up with every character design by himself? No, he most certainly did not. This is why I choose not to accept this movie as being an official continuation of the original manga. The only reason Toriyama is doing this is because of money. I don't think he cares about Dragon Ball as much as you think.

I don't doubt that Toei could get hype raised to maximum by having Toriyama say whatever they want and that money is probably a big part of this (especially when he doesn't have to do as much work as he used to), but we've also seen that he seems to have taken a genuinely renewed interest after the failure that was Dragon Ball Evolution.

For everything else though? Yes, he did write the script and yes, he did do almost every character design himself. Beerus, Whis, Goku, Vegeta, Bluma, Chi Chi, Gyumao, etc. All the main cast favorites down to Bluma's mother and father. The only ones he didn't do were the background characters, like the chefs, caterers, pedestrians and the two cameo characters (police girl and the sushi chef).

Toriyama did not write the script for Battle of Gods. He may be involved, but it's Yūsuke Watanabe who is literally writing it.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Toriyama did not write the script for Battle of Gods. He may be involved, but it's Yūsuke Watanabe who is literally writing it.

Toriyama has repeatedly gone on record saying he wrote the entire script himself (including dialogue), with the exception of the fight choreography. From the looks of all the interviews, it seems the only thing Watanabe did was adapt Toriyama's story to an official script structure and then insert the the Dragon Ball theft plot, which Toriyama changed as well to include Pilaf.

[Cetra]

Toriyama has repeatedly gone on record saying he wrote the entire script himself (including dialogue),...

He said he checked the plot and then ended up writing it himself so that means he did not have the idea and did not write the plot at first.

[dbgtFO]

Chozenshu timeline places it in AGE 778, 4 years after Buu.

So in other words Pan was born in 779 and should be nearing 5 by the end of Z right? If we assume that 1/4 saiyan, 3/4 earthling kids take ~9 months to be born like regular earthlings do, that is.

[hleV]

So what are we supposed to disregard? The things in the original manga that contradict BOG, or the things in BOG that contradict the manga? Toriyama doesn't seem to realize that this continuation thing doesn't really work too well.

Is there any contradiction other then some charecters looking younger then they should that can't be explained ?

I read that it takes place 5 years after the fight with buu,where did this come from ? cause i can only find it in the wiki

The major one would be the fact that Goku was excited about Oob during the 28th TB and said that he might even be the victor. Toriyama confirmed that Goku had absorbed the godly power and it had become his own, so Goku being excited about Oob and Oob being a potential winner of the TB can't work. Then there's Mr. Satan having no idea who Dende is. There's also Tarble mentioned, and Tarble comes from a movie with which Toriyama was only involved partially. Also Gohan going SS, Gotenks seemingly not having SS3, Boo getting KO'd without having his body destroyed, etc. I may be forgetting something else, but that should be enough to clearly see that it simply doesn't work.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

What would folks like this to be called (assuming it'll expand on the God stuff).
Simple, Battle of Gods 2 or Part 2.
Or Rise/Revenge/Birth of(insert villain name) or something else as that's all I can see the movie being named or maybe something like "super destruction from the awesome mega God"

I'd prefer BoG:Part 2.