The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by White Oni » Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:22 am

Darkron2151 wrote:Now Let's do: Super Saiyan 2 Gohan (Buu Saga) vs.

1. Full Power Perfect Cell
2. Swole Perfect Cell
3. Super Perfect Cell

1) Gohan takes this somewhat easily.
2) Not sure what swole cell is.
3) Cell completely stomps Gohan.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:25 am

Swole is basically Ssj Grade 3 but Cell version.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:05 am

1. Cell loses, but puts up a really good fight before he goes down.

2. Cell loses pretty easily. His durability and speed IMO wouldn't be increased, just his attack power. His speed would actually go down.

3. Cell wins. Imagine SS2 Gohan vs LSS Broly in movie 10, except with Broly winning the final beam struggle.
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Post by Kid Buu » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:40 am

Krillin Vs Cymbal
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Post by White Oni » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:42 am

To further clarify:

Full power perfect cell: 8
Gohan ssj2 (Buu saga): 10
Super perfect Cell: 14
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:29 am

Kid Buu wrote:Krillin Vs Cymbal
I've pretty much given up on trying to rate Cymbal. Goku says Yajirobe's the toughest guy he's ever met, which would make him stronger than Tenshinhan. He and Goku have a very short but even fight.

Chapter: 138, P12.4-5
Context: after the two fight a bit
Yajirobe: “I’ve never met anyone so strong before…”
Goku: “I’ve never met anyone so resilient…”

Cymbal manages to give some trouble to Yajirobe in hand to hand combat and land some hits. Yet Piccolo not only sends Tambourine against Cymbal's killer (who, despite supposedly being equal to the guy who had trouble with Cymbal, stomps him immediately with no trouble) and states that Tambourine is many times stronger than Cymbal.

Chapter: 140, P10.6
Piccolo: “Immediately go and take care of whoever killed Cymbal! You’re many times stronger than Cymbal, but don’t get caught off guard. We don’t know the nature of this enemy…”
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kid Buu » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:46 am

Well, being resilient/tough doesn't make you just strong right? It can just mean durable. Like Pure Buu being more durable than SSJ3 Goku, despite rivaling in power.

Out-of-Universe Real Answer: Toriyama probably realized early on he wouldn't do much with the Yajirobe character, and retconned his strength.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Darkron2151 » Tue Jul 22, 2014 8:35 pm

SSJ Future Trunks (3 Years After Killing Androids) vs.

1. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Cell Games)
2. Super Saiyan Gohan (Buu Arc)
3. Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games)
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Jul 22, 2014 8:51 pm

Darkron2151 wrote:SSJ Future Trunks (3 Years After Killing Androids) vs.

1. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Cell Games)
2. Super Saiyan Gohan (Buu Arc)
3. Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games)
He loses against all of them. He has nobody to train with in the future, and I would think that he would spend more time helping out with restoring his world than he would working out.
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Post by mysticboy » Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:58 pm

Darkron2151 wrote:SSJ Future Trunks (3 Years After Killing Androids) vs.

1. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Cell Games)
2. Super Saiyan Gohan (Buu Arc)
3. Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games)
Assuming he trained, he can beat all three unless they gang up on him.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:52 pm

Darkron2151 wrote:SSJ Future Trunks (3 Years After Killing Androids) vs.

1. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Cell Games)
2. Super Saiyan Gohan (Buu Arc)
3. Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games)
I have him beating only Vegeta. Goku and Gohan are just too far ahead of him.
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Post by xmysticgohanx » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:31 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:He loses against all of them. He has nobody to train with in the future, and I would think that he would spend more time helping out with restoring his world than he would working out.
I'm pretty sure Trunks would continue training just so a repeat of what happened with the Androids doesn't happen again. Bulma probably made another gravity chamber for him.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:35 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Darkron2151 wrote:SSJ Future Trunks (3 Years After Killing Androids) vs.

1. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Cell Games)
2. Super Saiyan Gohan (Buu Arc)
3. Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games)
He loses against all of them. He has nobody to train with in the future, and I would think that he would spend more time helping out with restoring his world than he would working out.
Agreed, He's not going to get any stronger; if anything, his fighting skills will dull, making him an easier fight, and he will start to lose power when he gets middle-aged or so.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by mysticboy » Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:48 pm

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Kamiccolo9 wrote:He loses against all of them. He has nobody to train with in the future, and I would think that he would spend more time helping out with restoring his world than he would working out.
I'm pretty sure Trunks would continue training just so a repeat of what happened with the Androids doesn't happen again. Bulma probably made another gravity chamber for him.
So many things could happen. I'd like to think that one of the Z fighters made contact with him form Otherworld through King Kai, instructing him on where New Namek is so he can wish back Piccolo/Kami and bring Dende back to earth, then wish everyone else back.
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Post by Kid Buu » Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:08 pm

SSj Future Gohan with both arms Vs Android Arc Piccolo pre-Kami fusion.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:45 pm

Kid Buu wrote:SSj Future Gohan with both arms Vs Android Arc Piccolo pre-Kami fusion.
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Post by Kid Buu » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:09 pm

Both.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:18 pm

Kid Buu wrote:SSj Future Gohan with both arms Vs Android Arc Piccolo pre-Kami fusion.
Gohan uses one arm, and he still beats him.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:50 pm

I don't think two-armed Gohan is anything special. At the absolute minimum, I think Piccolo would be just strong enough to win. But, more likely, Piccolo kills him with one finger.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:56 pm

Future Gohan gets one shoted.
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