Watching DB series Japanese (1st time) COMPLETE

[Kamiccolo9]

Damn, this is all fascinating to me. I've never really thought to sit down and try and work out exactly how Dragon Ball works! Please don't take all of those questions as me trying to poke at you or anything; you've just awakened a real interest for me and I'm now really interested to hear what you have to think!

I might have to go away for a bit and think about how this would all work. It's hard!

I agree. Maybe this deserves its own thread?

[Ajay]

Yeah, I'm planning to post one up when I finish writing up my own thoughts on the matter.

Unless one of you cheeky fuckers sneaks in there before me.

[DarkPrince_92]

Maybe this deserves its own thread?

Yes. Yes it does.

[Valerius Dover]

Maybe this deserves its own thread?

Yes. Yes it does.

So, back on topic. Where in the series are you now? You seem to have been moving at a pretty fast pace.

[DarkPrince_92]

I'm at the episode where Bulma alerts Trunks that there was a second Time Machine. Cell is coming! Can't wait for Wakamoto!

[Valerius Dover]

Oh, yeah, Cell is great stuff. Actually, I'm pretty curious as to what Cell sounds like.

[DarkPrince_92]

Oh, yeah, Cell is great stuff. Actually, I'm pretty curious as to what Cell sounds like.

Really? I was under the impression you've seen DBZ in japanese already.

I have an idea of what Cell sounds like from the random clips I've seen, and Kai. But I haven't really seen much of him in Z, and am really excited.

[Valerius Dover]

Oh, yeah, Cell is great stuff. Actually, I'm pretty curious as to what Cell sounds like.

Really? I was under the impression you've seen DBZ in japanese already.

I have an idea of what Cell sounds like from the random clips I've seen, and Kai. But I haven't really seen much of him in Z, and am really excited.

Nope. I haven't even finished seeing it in English. I'm a bit new to it.
I started by seeing all 5 Dragon Ball Seasons, then I saw the 4 movies before moving onto Z, which I have now seen Seasons 1-6 of.

[DarkPrince_92]

Wow. Hope you're enjoying it as much as we have.

For me, hypothetically, if I started watching DBZ at this age, especially Funimation 1999 dub, I'd probably hate it if not for the action. A couple months ago, my roommate and I were watching DBZ's Funimation english dub (Orange Bricks ) from start to finish while we worked on thesis for school. Completely forgot how ridiculous some of the lines were. At least watching the japanese version is a much more refreshing experience so far.

[Valerius Dover]

To be fair, the only 1999 stuff is the non-redubbed stuff in late Season 2 and Season 3. Plus, my only prior experience with anime dubs (that wasn't Studio Ghibli) was 4Kids. So, that was all I had to compare to. Even now, I still wouldn't say I've seen a whole lot of anime. I can see why people don't like the dub, but I'm usually far more accepting of all these minor issues. The occasional awkward line doesn't really affect my overall experience. And I actually like the re-scores as well.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

This isn't that at all. Vegeta isn't a mole working on the inside. He's gone rogue.

No, it is like that. During the Saiyan arc, he was working for Freeza (taking over planets) while at the same time he is working for himself against Freeza (find the Dragon Balls to become immortal & kill him). It isn't until after he heals and goes to Namek that he defects from Freeza's organization and betrays him openly.

And no he doesn't care for the actions of his race. I meant he didn't approve of them.

He doesn't approve their actions (he even said that they deserved what Freeza did to them), but he still fought to avenge them. I don't understand why we are even debating about this, Goku said it clearly.

[DarkPrince_92]

To be fair, the only 1999 stuff is the non-redubbed stuff in late Season 2 and Season 3. Plus, my only prior experience with anime dubs (that wasn't Studio Ghibli) was 4Kids. So, that was all I had to compare to. Even now, I still wouldn't say I've seen a whole lot of anime. I can see why people don't like the dub, but I'm usually far more accepting of all these minor issues. The occasional awkward line doesn't really affect my overall experience. And I actually like the re-scores as well.

That's actually great to hear. I was much more forgiving back then than I am now, but I still like the Funimation Z dub for nostalgia purposes, along with the Faulconer score. I can actually queue a music score before it comes in watching the Z dub lol.

You should try Yu Yu Hakusho if you haven't seen it already.

[ABED]

No, it is like that. During the Saiyan arc, he was working for Freeza (taking over planets) while at the same time he is working for himself against Freeza (find the Dragon Balls to become immortal & kill him). It isn't until after he heals and goes to Namek that he defects from Freeza's organization and betrays him openly.

He is already openly betraying them. He's going against Freeza's orders, he's not working for him at all, he wants the DBs to wish for immortality so he can eventually defeat Freeza. If he's working for himself against Freeza, he's not an underling anymore. It's its own arc. The story has a beginning, a middle, and a resolution.

[Valerius Dover]

To be fair, the only 1999 stuff is the non-redubbed stuff in late Season 2 and Season 3. Plus, my only prior experience with anime dubs (that wasn't Studio Ghibli) was 4Kids. So, that was all I had to compare to. Even now, I still wouldn't say I've seen a whole lot of anime. I can see why people don't like the dub, but I'm usually far more accepting of all these minor issues. The occasional awkward line doesn't really affect my overall experience. And I actually like the re-scores as well.

That's actually great to hear. I was much more forgiving back then than I am now, but I still like the Funimation Z dub for nostalgia purposes, along with the Faulconer score. I can actually queue a music score before it comes in watching the Z dub lol.

You should try Yu Yu Hakusho if you haven't seen it already.

I even like the Johnson score in the earlier episodes.
Come to think of it, Yu Yu Hakusho actually is one of the anime I plan on expanding to soon.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

He is already openly betraying them. He's going against Freeza's orders, he's not working for him at all, he wants the DBs to wish for immortality so he can eventually defeat Freeza. If he's working for himself against Freeza, he's not an underling anymore. It's its own arc. The story has a beginning, a middle, and a resolution.

How was he openly betraying him in Saiyan arc? If that was the case, he wouldn't get healed in Freeza's base, he would have been executed. He was working behind Freeza's back at that point, but he was still working for Freeza as well. He openly betrayed Freeza in the Freeza arc.

[ABED]

I'm creating another thread so as to no longer divert this thread anymore.

[DarkPrince_92]

So, I'm at the episode where Cell does Piccolo in, before trying to absorb 17 and 18. Android 16 is about to fight and he said something that caught my eye. The Funimation Dub made him sound like he enjoyed his time with the twins, which he did. But he said something like "You guys did not kill humans or animals for the fun of it...". It had not occurred to me they haven't really killed any human, aside from roughing up cops and gangs since they fought the Z Warriors the first time. Why is that? Is it because Goku was their main focus they didn't even consider a different game such as killing humans? They seem to love doing so in Trunks' timeline.

[Valerius Dover]

So, I'm at the episode where Cell does Piccolo in, before trying to absorb 17 and 18. Android 16 is about to fight and he said something that caught my eye. The Funimation Dub made him sound like he enjoyed his time with the twins, which he did. But he said something like "You guys did not kill humans or animals for the fun of it...". It had not occurred to me they haven't really killed any human, aside from roughing up cops and gangs since they fought the Z Warriors the first time. Why is that? Is it because Goku was their main focus they didn't even consider a different game such as killing humans? They seem to love doing so in Trunks' timeline.

Don't know. I think there have been a lot of various theories regarding how differently things turned out. I'm mostly wondering whatever happened to the other Androids, though. I think the alternate timeline ones were simply programmed to be more destructive and blood thirsty, while the others just didn't care what they did.

[trick007z]

So, I'm at the episode where Cell does Piccolo in, before trying to absorb 17 and 18. Android 16 is about to fight and he said something that caught my eye. The Funimation Dub made him sound like he enjoyed his time with the twins, which he did. But he said something like "You guys did not kill humans or animals for the fun of it...". It had not occurred to me they haven't really killed any human, aside from roughing up cops and gangs since they fought the Z Warriors the first time. Why is that? Is it because Goku was their main focus they didn't even consider a different game such as killing humans? They seem to love doing so in Trunks' timeline.

Don't know. I think there have been a lot of various theories regarding how differently things turned out. I'm mostly wondering whatever happened to the other Androids, though. I think the alternate timeline ones were simply programmed to be more destructive and blood thirsty, while the others just didn't care what they did.

I just tend to think that once Toriyama knew he was making the switch from 17 and 18 to Cell, he just decided to make them less evil and more endearing to the audience so he could build up sympathy for when they were absorbed. You kind of felt bad for them.

[DarkPrince_92]

I do have a soft spot for the twins lol. I guess it would be needless for them to be evil considering Cell was on the up rise.