Worst Wish In History - Speculation

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Re: Worst Wish In History - Speculation

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:37 am

SSJ3_Zack wrote:It'd be awesome if the wish was to revive a Unicron/Galactus-esque villain.
That would be pretty cool. Moving on from simply selling planets, to destroying them now to a god that eats them.
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Re: Worst Wish In History - Speculation

Post by UpFromTheSkies » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:36 am

If the one year rule applies to Dende's dragon balls, which I had forgotten about, then the person being resurrected must be a God, an android, or from another universe, because Goku would have sensed the ki of anyone else, and if they were that powerful, he would have sought them out.

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Re: Worst Wish In History - Speculation

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:01 pm

UpFromTheSkies wrote:If the one year rule applies to Dende's dragon balls, which I had forgotten about, then the person being resurrected must be a God, an android, or from another universe, because Goku would have sensed the ki of anyone else, and if they were that powerful, he would have sought them out.
I feel like this is the billionth time I've said this in regards to this worst wish topic, the 1 year limit on reviving people from the dead is only mentioned once and that was in regards to reviving a large group of people. Even this may have been a special case though, because they were wishing to restore those who were killed by Freeza and his men. This wish wouldn't just revive those who died on Namek, but anyone killed by the organization across the universe. Obviously, this would be a huge undertaking, so Shenlong had to put a limit on it somewhere, but said limit may not exist of a individual or even a more concentrated group of people.

That said, I do believe most of us assume that characters who have been reincarnated cannot be revived, because the soul has been repurposed into a new life, This would mean that the longer someone has been dead, typically the more unlikely it is that they can be brought back. We'll have to see what happens in the film though, because Toriyama can make whatever rules he wants. He's good at contradicting not only fan assumptions, but his own official information as well.
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Re: Worst Wish In History - Speculation

Post by CordonBloo » Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:52 pm

Yeah it's pretty much anyone's guess, I'm of the belief that the revival will be related to a new character entirely.
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Re: Worst Wish In History - Speculation

Post by UpFromTheSkies » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:32 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
UpFromTheSkies wrote:If the one year rule applies to Dende's dragon balls, which I had forgotten about, then the person being resurrected must be a God, an android, or from another universe, because Goku would have sensed the ki of anyone else, and if they were that powerful, he would have sought them out.
I feel like this is the billionth time I've said this in regards to this worst wish topic, the 1 year limit on reviving people from the dead is only mentioned once and that was in regards to reviving a large group of people. Even this may have been a special case though, because they were wishing to restore those who were killed by Freeza and his men. This wish wouldn't just revive those who died on Namek, but anyone killed by the organization across the universe. Obviously, this would be a huge undertaking, so Shenlong had to put a limit on it somewhere, but said limit may not exist of a individual or even a more concentrated group of people.

That said, I do believe most of us assume that characters who have been reincarnated cannot be revived, because the soul has been repurposed into a new life, This would mean that the longer someone has been dead, typically the more unlikely it is that they can be brought back. We'll have to see what happens in the film though, because Toriyama can make whatever rules he wants. He's good at contradicting not only fan assumptions, but his own official information as well.
Souls in Dragon Ball reincarnate within a few years (ie Buu and Uub), so to be resurrected, this person would have had to have died within the past few years, which means Goku would have sensed their ki, unless they were a God, an android, or from another universe... or maybe not, because Toriyama usually doesn't put that much thought into it and just makes things up as he goes along.

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Re: Worst Wish In History - Speculation

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:58 pm

No, we have absolutely nothing in the series to give us a time frame on normal soul reincarnation. The only information we have to go off of is Buu being reincarnated almost immediately and Toriyama recently revealing that was because since Pure Buu was pure evil, it was easy to purify him. But even with that said, the whole Buu to Uub reincarnation has been stated to be a special favor from Enma. So since it's already stated to be a special case, it can't be used as evidence for anything on the subject,

The only other bit that can kinda work on the issue is the Episode of Bardock Q&A with Toriyama where when asked if we might be able to see Bardock in action, he responded by saying:
Unfortunately, Bardock has been dead for quite some time, so you probably won’t be able to see him in action except in stories of the past. There is the trick of having Shenlong bring him back to life, but by this point, his battle power isn’t high enough, so methinks it’d be a bit difficult.
Note that he doesn't mention anything about having been reincarnated here, despite dying more than a couple decades prior to when most of our new stories are set. The only thing preventing Bardock from being written into new current era stories is that he'd be too weak to be relevant.
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Re: Worst Wish In History - Speculation

Post by Low Tone G » Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:29 am

The only other bit that can kinda work on the issue is the Episode of Bardock Q&A with Toriyama where when asked if we might be able to see Bardock in action, he responded by saying:
Unfortunately, Bardock has been dead for quite some time, so you probably won’t be able to see him in action except in stories of the past. There is the trick of having Shenlong bring him back to life, but by this point, his battle power isn’t high enough, so methinks it’d be a bit difficult.

Note that he doesn't mention anything about having been reincarnated here, despite dying more than a couple decades prior to when most of our new stories are set. The only thing preventing Bardock from being written into new current era stories is that he'd be too weak to be relevant.
Could it not be that Toriyama mentiones a trick to resurrect Bardock, and that trick may be for the case that Bardock has been reicarnated in the period? Why would Shenlon need a trick to resurrect anyone if he is simply dead? He would need a trick is the case is not so simple... Just like a reincarnated soul... Only speculating....
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Re: Worst Wish In History - Speculation

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:58 am

I'm fairly certain it doesn't mean Shenlong would have to use a trick or whatever to revive Bardock, but that using Shenlong to get Bardock back into a story would be a trick/option he could use as the author.
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Re: Worst Wish In History - Speculation

Post by Son Edo » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:03 am

I like the idea of Beerus training Goku.

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