Dragon Ball GT- Does It Deserve Your Attention?

[Kid Buu]

The diffence is that the original DB didn't have any other big charecters to use like Gt did

It had Kuririn, Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Chaozu, Yajirobe and Kame-sennin.

Another difference is that Goku in DB is Mr. Perfect. He is always the one to get miraculously stronger than everyone, and the only that wins every single fight, except if he is hungry, tired, or if it's the first fight with Taopaipai. In GT, Goku lost many times, and even needed help from others to defeat his enemies, and he also made stupid decisions like not transforming when he should.

Who did he lose to besides Rildo, Bebi, and the tournament kid?

In DB he lost to Yamcha & Puar, Jackie Chun, Mercenary Tao, Piccolo Daimao, Mr. Popo, and Kami.

Anyhoo the difference is that in regular the DB the humans got to have cool moments in the tournaments, but in GT they supporting cast just shows up to job straight away.

[sintzu]

If Toei Animation had wanted to end the Z series by the Cell arc they could've and then for the rest it'd be named the sequel as "Dragon Ball Z2" (or X) or something as the content of the later arcs works quite well by itself.

The buu arc has one of if not the best fight in the series Goku vs Vegeta,It had epic moments like Vegeta's sacrifice and Goku's ssj3,It introduced new elements such as the 2 fusions and the kaioshins,It tied up lose ends like Goku and Vegeta's rivalry,The funny moments it has are funny,It had strong writing

Gt has nothing close to that so having it be in the same tital as it wouldn't make sense

[Hellspawn28]

I don't think Bebi would work in the original manga. His character does not feel like something that Akira Toriyama would have created. The Shadow Dragons maybe, but I think Toriyama would have done the saga differently then Toei would have done. He would have other fighters have a chance instead just Goku. Toriyama's version of GT would have been better. No stupid rehashes of old stuff and I would imagine he would have Ubb get a bigger role before becoming a jobber.

[sintzu]

Toriyama's version of GT would have been better.

I think if he had made it back in the day it would have been close to BOG and whatever else he's making

[ABED]

His character does not feel like something that Akira Toriyama would have created.

Because he's less comedic?

[sintzu]

His character does not feel like something that Akira Toriyama would have created.

Because he's less comedic?

He doesn't have the Toriyama feel that Vegeta,Frieza,Cell,Buu and Beerus have

[Luke Groundwalker]

His character does not feel like something that Akira Toriyama would have created.

Because he's less comedic?

He doesn't have the Toriyama feel that Vegeta,Freeza,Cell,Buu and Beerus have

He doesn't? I always felt he did for the most part. Though he looks like a Toriyama villain his editors would force him to make ala Androids 16-18, Cell and Super Boo.

[ABED]

His character does not feel like something that Akira Toriyama would have created.

Because he's less comedic?

He doesn't have the Toriyama feel that Vegeta,Freeza,Cell,Buu and Beerus have

That's very vague.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Well the show seems to have everyone job in front of Goku. Everyone got their asses kick in front of Super 17 and yet Goku fights him as a normal SSj pretty easy. Goku also kills every main bad guy in the show. With DBZ, Vegeta became good, Freeza died from Trunks and Cell died from Gohan. DBZ give other chances a chance to win besides Goku.

Of course Goku will kill the bad guys, he is the main character, like he was in the manga. Vegeta was mostly beaten up by him, Freeza was defeated by him, and by the time he was killed, he wasn't the main villain anymore, and Gohan killed Cell because he had replaced Goku as the main character at that point. Against the villains that he was the main character (Pilaf, Black, Piccolo Daimao, Vegeta, Freeza, Majin Boo), it was Goku that defeated them in the finale of each arc.

Who did he lose to besides Rildo, Bebi, and the tournament kid?

In DB he lost to Yamcha & Puar, Jackie Chun, Mercenary Tao, Piccolo Daimao, Mr. Popo, and Kami.

Anyhoo the difference is that in regular the DB the humans got to have cool moments in the tournaments, but in GT they supporting cast just shows up to job straight away.

He was losing to Mutchi, until Trunks saved him by killing Mutchi, he couldn't beat Llood on his own, he was losing to Oozaru Baby, until the other Saiyans came for help, he was losing to Super #17, until #18 came for help, he was losing to Wu Xing Long, until rain came for help, he was losing to base/Super Yi Xing Long, until the others came for help. He won those battles eventually, but he would have lost if he was alone.

In DB, he lost to Yamcha because he was hungry, and he lost to Jackie Chun because he was unlucky (he had short legs). Mr. Popo & Kami didn't "beat" him, since they never had a real fight, they only showed him how superior they were to him... until he surpassed them shortly after (well, in chapters that is). And while the humans do have cool moments in the tournaments, Goku always came and overshadowed them by being cooler.

Of course, I'm not saying that GT is better than DB, I love DB, and I enjoy it more than GT. I just feel that it's unfair to call it as "Goku Time" as if the manga was centered around the others (specifically the DB portion). Goku defeated his most important fights through team work in GT, even if the supporting characters were poorly used due to bad writing.

[Kid Buu]

Jackie Chun kicked Goku's ass the entire time, the fight was only a close one because Jackie Chun wasted his energy blowing up the moon. I was referring to when Goku was Oozaru against Yamcha and Puar. He didn't win against General Blue or Piccolo Daimao clean either.

Anyway, I think the difference is that the supporting casts did get some decent battles in DB/Z, while no one really got that in GT. That's what I was referring to.

[dbboxkaifan]

The buu arc has one of if not the best fight in the series Goku vs Vegeta

Saiyan Vegeta Vs. Goku, Freeza Vs. Goku and Gohan Vs. Cell all these were better and more entertaining than Majin Vegeta Vs. Goku.

It had epic moments like Vegeta's sacrifice

Maybe I never really liked Vegeta much but I feel Gohan's SSJ2 awakening was far superior and more emotional.

Goku's ssj3

Was it cool yes? But nothing impressive.

It introduced new elements such as the 2 fusions and the kaioshins

That's where Toriyama was being creative by fusing the two characters in to one, I'll give you that. As for the Kaioshin members, eh..

It tied up lose ends like Goku and Vegeta's rivalry

Vegeta admits that Goku's better than him but they didn't actually finish their own battle.

The funny moments it has are funny

Which is why out of all arcs in Dragon Ball Z the Majin Boo portion is the best, in terms of comedy.

It had strong writing

Freeza's and Cell's arc seemed better to me, I thought it wasn't good as the previous arcs nor the animation at times.

Gt has nothing close to that so having it be in the same tital as it wouldn't make sense

You're belittling Dragon Ball GT saying it has nothing in comparison to it.

Have you forgotten the comedic times it had, as well as the Para Para Brothers, Zoonama, Baby Vegeta, Gogeta SSJ4, Goku SSJ4 and Vegeta SSJ4?

My all-time favourite transformation/fusion is...

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Jackie Chun kicked Goku's ass the entire time, the fight was only a close one because Jackie Chun wasted his energy blowing up the moon. I was referring to when Goku was Oozaru against Yamcha and Puar. He didn't win against General Blue or Piccolo Daimao clean either.

The fight with Jackie Chun & Goku was even, and even he admitted that he won because, as a grown man, he had longer legs. And as for against Oozaru Goku... that wasn't really a fight.

Anyway, I think the difference is that the supporting casts did get some decent battles in DB/Z, while no one really got that in GT. That's what I was referring to.

Oh yeah, that's true.

[Kid Buu]

Jackie Chun was on the verge of beating Goku until Bulma said it was time for dinner which woke him up and later Jackie Chun wasted energy blowing up the moon. Barring size differences, it did see that Chun came across as the stronger fighter there.

As for GT itself, I like a production values (score, voice acting, animation) but the writing felt a bit of a rehash of previous ideas.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Jackie Chun was on the verge of beating Goku until Bulma said it was time for dinner which woke him up and later Jackie Chun wasted energy blowing up the moon. Barring size differences, it did see that Chun came across as the stronger fighter there.

Well, it was because of his skills, not his raw power. In raw power, they were even.

But I'll agree, his skills made him more powerful.

[Kid Buu]

To be fair, I didn't really provide an answer to the OP, so I should probably do that.

Here's what I liked:
1.) The Music
2.) Pan as a sidekick
3.) The Bebi Arc
4.) The Art Direction
3.) Heartfelt moments (Piccolo/Gohan, the end, etc.)

So yeah, I'd say it is worth a look into, even if it isn't as good as Toriyama's manga.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Haha! The story is PISS & its execution is shitty.

Wouldn't say Animation was even Average. Outta 64 episodes, only 9~10 episodes had the rich, High-quality look. Which is trash when compared to Z. Even during its weakest portion (stuffed with filler), Buu saga had minimum 4 to 5 episodes outta 10 which were done well.

As much as Baby & Super 17 was good, Shadow Dragon saga turned everything to steaming pile of shit. Green Toad, Pig & Duck as FUCKING Villains?!!! Are u kidding me? Not to mention Buu Arc rip-off. Fusion, Subsequent Defused entities fighting, GenkiDama as Finale.

GT's Hate is justified IMO. The Music is Cool, which brings nostalgic, which is cheap considering how it cashes-in on Z & even DB's appeal.

Did you even bother reading my post? The point of this thread is to convince the people to watch GT in a new light. I think you are being extremely close-minded.

You are in minority about the Evil Dragons arc, then. So what if they are toad, pig, and duck? Freeza is lizard, Cell is bug, and Boo is... well pink bubblegum. You aren't suppose to be taking them seriously.

[TheGmGoken]

Haha! The story is PISS & its execution is shitty.

Wouldn't say Animation was even Average. Outta 64 episodes, only 9~10 episodes had the rich, High-quality look. Which is trash when compared to Z. Even during its weakest portion (stuffed with filler), Buu saga had minimum 4 to 5 episodes outta 10 which were done well.

As much as Baby & Super 17 was good, Shadow Dragon saga turned everything to steaming pile of shit. Green Toad, Pig & Duck as FUCKING Villains?!!! Are u kidding me? Not to mention Buu Arc rip-off. Fusion, Subsequent Defused entities fighting, GenkiDama as Finale.

GT's Hate is justified IMO. The Music is Cool, which brings nostalgic, which is cheap considering how it cashes-in on Z & even DB's appeal.

Did you even bother reading my post? The point of this thread is to convince the people to watch GT in a new light. I think you are being extremely close-minded.

You are in minority about the Evil Dragons arc, then. So what if they are toad, pig, and duck? Freeza is lizard, Cell is bug, and Boo is... well pink bubblegum. You aren't suppose to be taking them seriously.

OK so the point of the thread is to not to anything bad about GT? I wasn't going to comment and like you said to this guy I thought it was to make GT seem good. If so I won't write a post since I don't have anything positive about GT except the music and SSJ4 Design(not the form itself). So I did want to derail thread

[ABED]

Vegeta admits that Goku's better than him but they didn't actually finish their own battle.

Which is kinda the point. They don't have to finish it because Vegeta is man enough to admit who the better man is. If they do fight again, it will be on much friendlier terms.

[sintzu]

Saiyan Vegeta Vs. Goku, Freeza Vs. Goku and Gohan Vs. Cell all these were better and more entertaining than Majin Vegeta Vs. Goku.

Maybe I never really liked Vegeta much but I feel Gohan's SSJ2 awakening was far superior and more emotional.

Was it cool yes? But nothing impressive.

Freeza's and Cell's arc seemed better to me, I thought it wasn't good as the previous arcs nor the animation at times.

My point was that the buu arc like the rest of Z had it's epic moments sure a lot of fans like you might not think they were the best but they still stand among the best of what the series has to offer

Vegeta admits that Goku's better than him but they didn't actually finish their own battle.

Sure they will have more fights but they won't be based on hate like before

You're belittling Dragon Ball GT saying it has nothing in comparison to it.

Have you forgotten the comedic times it had

Yes and for good reasons

The Para Para Brothers, Zoonama

With thoes kinds of names i hope i never remember who they are

Baby Vegeta

The story : It's about a Tsufruian who wants revenge on the saiyans which was done in the ova plan to destroy the saiyans
the charecter : Him taking over vegeta is based on what babidi did to him and the fight between him and goku is trying to copy the first fight they had in the saiyan saga

Gogeta SSJ4, Goku SSJ4 and Vegeta SSJ4?

In terms of designs they are among the best the series has to offer but i can't say the same about how they used them

[Vijay]

Haha! The story is PISS & its execution is shitty.

Wouldn't say Animation was even Average. Outta 64 episodes, only 9~10 episodes had the rich, High-quality look. Which is trash when compared to Z. Even during its weakest portion (stuffed with filler), Buu saga had minimum 4 to 5 episodes outta 10 which were done well.

As much as Baby & Super 17 was good, Shadow Dragon saga turned everything to steaming pile of shit. Green Toad, Pig & Duck as FUCKING Villains?!!! Are u kidding me? Not to mention Buu Arc rip-off. Fusion, Subsequent Defused entities fighting, GenkiDama as Finale.

GT's Hate is justified IMO. The Music is Cool, which brings nostalgic, which is cheap considering how it cashes-in on Z & even DB's appeal.

Did you even bother reading my post? The point of this thread is to convince the people to watch GT in a new light. I think you are being extremely close-minded.

You are in minority about the Evil Dragons arc, then. So what if they are toad, pig, and duck? Freeza is lizard, Cell is bug, and Boo is... well pink bubblegum. You aren't suppose to be taking them seriously.

I wouldn't have replied, but since u said "extremely" close-minded...Here I come.

Opinions are subjective. You can't shove down the throat something you like/admire upon others. Likewise, dont expect others to have similar taste as ya.

Besides, just think how easily you dismissed my points. Guys like Frieza, Cell, Buu had CHARACTERS. Single-dimensional or multi, they're craze for pain & death are intimidating at some point. You ever felt that with GT's Glorified TOAD, Pig & Fucking Duck (which gets killed by fuckin Rain)?

I respect ur opinion. But looking at pile of corpses & saying its Gem isn't gonna make it look better in ANY light.

Count me in as ex-GT fan. Defended GT sayin stuffs like its Potential gets destroyed by TOEI's execution & epic ending and whatnot. Nope.

There are a ton of anime that'll put GT to shame in terms of character development, production values & even VA.

I wonder who's the seiyuu's of GT's Shadow Dragons? Omega Shenron sound like fucking 70+ Chain-smoker, Nuova Shenron sound too "soft" to even be considered villain, while TOAD, Pig & Duck voices were plain irritating.