Dragon Ball GT- Does It Deserve Your Attention?

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Post by Xeogran » Fri Aug 01, 2014 1:54 am

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Post by Cetra » Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:03 am

Comparing the Shadow Dragons as Main villains like they are all equal is like saying Babidi's minions are equal too Boo. Yi Xing Long is the real super villain. And Oceana and Nova even had a well defined character for their screen-time. All of them had to a point.
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Post by ABED » Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:09 am

The Para Para Brothers, Zoonama

With thoes kinds of names i hope i never remember who they are
Are they any sillier than ones that Toriyama came up with? Seriously, Lunch, Kakarotto, Buu, Piccolo, Pilaf, etc.
Baby Vegeta

The story : It's about a Tsufruian who wants revenge on the saiyans which was done in the ova plan to destroy the saiyans
the charecter : Him taking over vegeta is based on what babidi did to him and the fight between him and goku is trying to copy the first fight they had in the saiyan saga
Villains can only have so many motives, revenge is a good one.
Babidi didn't take over Vegeta's mind and body, and Vegeta didn't let Baby take him over. The fight isn't at all a copy of their Saiyan arc fight.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Aug 01, 2014 2:37 pm

The SSj4 Goku fight with Bebi did feel like a rehash of the Saiyan saga to me. Both Vegeta and Bebi Vegeta got their asses kick after Goku power up then they both transform into a Oozaru. Goku nearly gets himself nearly killed in both battles and was saved in both battles if it wasn't for his friends. They both try to use Garlic Gun to destroy the Earth and both failed.
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Post by Luke Groundwalker » Fri Aug 01, 2014 3:17 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:The SSj4 Goku fight with Bebi did feel like a rehash of the Saiyan saga to me. Both Veget and Bebi Vegeta got their asses kick after Goku power up then they both transform into a Oozaru. Goku nearly gets himself nearly killed in both battles and was saved in both battles if it wasn't for his friends. They both try to use Garlic Gun to destroy the Earth and both failed.
Oh yeah, definitely. I hated this about GT too, the constant rehashing of themes. It really wasn't till the Shadow Dragon arc where things kind of came together on their own really.

I personally thought some of the dragons being useless made perfect sense, considering the wishes they're based off of, lol. Everyone knew who the big boss was anyway.

Shadow Dragon arc is a concept I personally wish Toriyama himself would've included in the original series. Maybe set after the Boo arc with a GT style ending. Toriyama liked to throw curve-balls in Dragonball to suggest that there are "limitations" to using them, only to be rewritten by new rules like Namek dragonballs, or Dende recreating the dragonballs, etc. I always felt that was bullshit and needed to be addressed in the series, and the Shadow Dragon arc was a perfect fit for that conceptually.

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Post by dbboxkaifan » Fri Aug 01, 2014 3:46 pm

Boo is... well pink bubblegum. You aren't suppose to be taking them seriously.
Gum is accurate but I thought of him like strawberry ice cream, which is fitting too.
ABED wrote:Are they any sillier than ones that Toriyama came up with? Seriously, Lunch, Kakarotto, Buu, Piccolo, Pilaf, etc.
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Post by sintzu » Fri Aug 01, 2014 3:57 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:The SSj4 Goku fight with Bebi did feel like a rehash of the Saiyan saga to me. Both Veget and Bebi Vegeta got their asses kick after Goku power up then they both transform into a Oozaru. Goku nearly gets himself nearly killed in both battles and was saved in both battles if it wasn't for his friends. They both try to use Garlic Gun to destroy the Earth and both failed.
The diffrence is that with Vegeta Goku actually lost and things kept getting worse for him and the rest but with baby Goku was for the most part in control of the fight and eventually won
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Post by MCDaveG » Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:04 pm

I'm always repeating myself, but! As it ran originaly after DBZ, we kids took it as direct continuation, as the station ran it in the same fashion that it ran in Japan.
We didn't have any magazines or info available in our country, only what we found on the foreign web and such. No idea about the original manga.
We pretty much enjoyed it for what it was, were thrilled for next episodes and the new villains were awesome. Only that it was rather short. The ending caught us pretty bad, as we thought that the show will run nonstop.
That's why I like and prefer Z's ending over the GT one, as it is upbeat, happy and promises you another adventures. Shame that the Z ending wasn't done as definitive as it is in manga in the anime because of GT.

Nowadays, I think that GT wasn't so bad, being solely TOEI's creation. It retained the spirit and have it also had Shunsuke Kikuchi at the helm, it should have a lot more to it.
Bebi wasn't that bad villain, altough it's a pitty that it is recycled Plan to Destroy Saiyans, Super 17 arc is weird and bad with horrible execution and the last arc is great, only if the dragons weren't mostly retarded and if it included the other characters fighting. GT simply made useless characters as Tenshihan, Yamcha and Kuririn from all others except for Goku. Instead, he is teamed up with his granddaughter, that can't be on par with Trunks at all.

GT is fun show, with great design and atmosphere, but that's it. I don't take it as sequel, rather as AU like Gundam has. I will take SSJ God over SSJ4 anytime.
If you really wanna see a bad TOEI made sequel, go for Saint Seiya Omega. It doesn't have the original feeling, design, music nor even the Greek Pantheon, which is strangely swaped for Roman one (and Babylonian).

PS: and I hate the opening theme with all passion.
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Post by TheGreatness25 » Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:44 pm

As a kid, I looked forward to GT (the unknown), as an adult paid it absolutely no attention, but then came around to watching it. Honestly, I think it's worth fans' time just because it's Dragon Ball. It's a real show that existed and it's Dragon Ball related. Unlike Dragon Ball Evolution (jeez almighty), it continued the story and is pretty good for what it was. I like just knowing that life went on for the characters. I feel that the story itself is good, just paced horribly. If it was written better, it could have really been turned into something. The hunt for the Dragon Balls in space is kind of like the Namek arc and then Baby and Super 17 are pretty good villains. I think that the Dragon Balls creating villains in the end makes a lot of sense. Also, Super Saiyan 4. I think it's a good story, but honestly, running it down and describing it is better than sitting through it. Still, I prefer it to the movies, even the newer stuff coming out.

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Post by Valerius Dover » Fri Aug 01, 2014 7:34 pm

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PS: and I hate the opening theme with all passion.
:shock: Really? What's wrong with it? I know it doesn't have anything to with Dragon Ball, but how can anyone hate it that much?
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Post by Luke Groundwalker » Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:15 pm

Valerius Dover wrote: :shock: Really? What's wrong with it? I know it doesn't have anything to with Dragon Ball, but how can anyone hate it that much?
I love it. Not sure what's not-Dragon Ball-ish about it. I personally think it's the best opening in the entire series myself.

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Post by Valerius Dover » Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:22 pm

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Valerius Dover wrote: :shock: Really? What's wrong with it? I know it doesn't have anything to with Dragon Ball, but how can anyone hate it that much?
I love it. Not sure what's not-Dragon Ball-ish about it. I personally think it's the best opening in the entire series myself.
My sentiments exactly. I put it above all the other openings, too. What I meant is that the lyrics have nothing to do with the series.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:30 pm

Luke Groundwalker wrote:
Valerius Dover wrote: :shock: Really? What's wrong with it? I know it doesn't have anything to with Dragon Ball, but how can anyone hate it that much?
I love it. Not sure what's not-Dragon Ball-ish about it. I personally think it's the best opening in the entire series myself.
He means that the love song lyrics has nothing to do with Dragonball

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Post by Quebaz » Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:08 pm

Does it deserve my attention?
From the incredible animation quality (seriously, apart for those episodes form Last House and episode 43/54, every other episode looks gorgeous), the beautiful score, Super Saiyan 4, Bebi arc, some character designs (Goku/Vegeta/Trunks/Pan's clothes, Ledgic, Rildo, Myu, 4-star Dragon and 1-star Dragon), episode 64, some fights (Goku vs Ledgic is so good)...

YES! I have some incredible nostalgia for it (in my country, GT was a direct to video at first, only airing on TV later, and hey, I have the whole VHS collection(which share the covers with its Spanish equivalent) and have fond memories of them).

Some stuff kinda buggs me still (the lenght of Super 17 and Dark Dragons arc, one is too short, another is too long, SSJ4 Gogeta only appears in one episode, etc) but overall, It's worth watching if you already watched DB and DBZ.

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Post by trick007z » Fri Aug 01, 2014 11:11 pm

One thing I liked about GT was that it had a huge emphasis on the Dragonballs. The quest for the Black Star Balls, their ramifications in the Bebi saga, and the Shadow Dragon Saga really brought the story full circle. I agree that I wish Toriyama came up with it. It seems right up his alley, he could have had fun with it, and probably would have executed it better.

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Post by Flame Dragon » Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:12 am

I absolutely loathe the first arc, it's just... ugh.

The situations are not funny, the jokes feel terribly forced, all the heroes act terribly stupid, letting battles drag on against villains that could be one shotted, Pan is extremely unlikable, and Toei doesn't do a good job at making you care about Random Alien #32 for the heroes to bother save them.
It just feels all like pointless filler.

Honestly i don't like GT at all. Even the good points you brought up are really badly executed.
The fight against Freeza and Cell could've been epic instead it was awful...

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Post by MCDaveG » Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:36 am

Valerius Dover wrote:
MCDaveG wrote:
PS: and I hate the opening theme with all passion.
:shock: Really? What's wrong with it? I know it doesn't have anything to with Dragon Ball, but how can anyone hate it that much?
The singer's voice is annoying for me and it's a girly song. As I like Hard Rock and Heavy Metal aside from electronic music, not exactly up to my tastes.
No matter if I'm homophobe, that song is simply one of the first of Japanese ''Gay Wave'' as I call it. Those upbeat and fun anime openings are away, guys who look like girls are emerging,
doing even more horrible music than one would ever hope to hear from Japan after all that crazy and unlistenable techno music.

That sums it up, but everyone has different tastes. I like Dragon Soul little better, but that singer annoys me, Kuu Zen-whatever I hate and finally, the song I like is the original DB Kai Buu arc opening - Fight It Out.
I don't know if it is because I'm composer, or have weird tastes compared to general public, but from what I know around me in Europe, besides Otaku, no one likes J-Rock and J-Pop.
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Flame Dragon wrote:I absolutely loathe the first arc, it's just... ugh.

The situations are not funny, the jokes feel terribly forced, all the heroes act terribly stupid, letting battles drag on against villains that could be one shotted, Pan is extremely unlikable, and Toei doesn't do a good job at making you care about Random Alien #32 for the heroes to bother save them.
It just feels all like pointless filler.

Honestly i don't like GT at all. Even the good points you brought up are really badly executed.
The fight against Freeza and Cell could've been epic instead it was awful...
Why would the fight with Freeza and Cell have ever been epic? Trunks one shotted Freeza in the early Android arc. By the early Buu arc the weakest major character was Vegeta who was probably way passed Cell the moment he became Majin Vegeta. SSJ3 Goku, Ultimate Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks (and honestly probably SSJ Gotenks), and base Vegito could also one shot Cell. By the time Goku fought them he was at SSSJ 4 and could have quite literally poked them between the eyes and KO'd them.

I get people not liking big time villain getting jobbed out, but by the time we got to what was essentially a nostalgia tour to capitalize on more popular storylines, the narrative was already way passed them being relevant. It would be like expecting SSJ Goku after the Freeza arc to have had an epic fight with resurrected Raditz.

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Post by Flame Dragon » Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:50 pm

trick007z wrote:
Flame Dragon wrote:I absolutely loathe the first arc, it's just... ugh.

The situations are not funny, the jokes feel terribly forced, all the heroes act terribly stupid, letting battles drag on against villains that could be one shotted, Pan is extremely unlikable, and Toei doesn't do a good job at making you care about Random Alien #32 for the heroes to bother save them.
It just feels all like pointless filler.

Honestly i don't like GT at all. Even the good points you brought up are really badly executed.
The fight against Freeza and Cell could've been epic instead it was awful...
Why would the fight with Freeza and Cell have ever been epic? Trunks one shotted Freeza in the early Android arc. By the early Buu arc the weakest major character was Vegeta who was probably way passed Cell the moment he became Majin Vegeta. SSJ3 Goku, Ultimate Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks (and honestly probably SSJ Gotenks), and base Vegito could also one shot Cell. By the time Goku fought them he was at SSSJ 4 and could have quite literally poked them between the eyes and KO'd them.

I get people not liking big time villain getting jobbed out, but by the time we got to what was essentially a nostalgia tour to capitalize on more popular storylines, the narrative was already way passed them being relevant. It would be like expecting SSJ Goku after the Freeza arc to have had an epic fight with resurrected Raditz.
Not epic in the sense of grandeur, it could've been epic as a gag or funny fight. The one we got is not even funny... it's just there.

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Post by ABED » Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:11 pm

What's funny is a matter of taste. I didn't laugh out loud but I found it amusing. I even enjoyed the search for the black star DBs.
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