Will FUNimation stop using Faulconer for future Z releases?

[TheKingOfKamehamehas]

I think they should include every soundtrack and every type of dub and put them all in one set, then you can adjust which one of each you can view.
For example:
Jap voice w/ Faulconer track
Green dub w/Falconer track or Jap track
ETC ETC ETC

Also, include a brand new soundtrack. Maybe Jap Rock Pop or whatever its called. (The rock music like in Bleach, Naruto, etc.)

I am sorry dude but the chances of all of that happening will be 0%. Very few people want to see all this so Funimation won't care and I don't think they would go out their way to create a new soundtrack.

I also hope they will not stop using Faulconer for Dragon Ball Z. Sure they had problems with him, but the sales would go down at least 25% because of all the fans. The only reason why the Dragon Boxes sold was because it had great picture quality compared to the Orange Bricks and it was the first time for 4:3 for the whole series.

[Valerius Dover]

I think they should include every soundtrack and every type of dub and put them all in one set, then you can adjust which one of each you can view.
For example:
Jap voice w/ Faulconer track
Green dub w/Falconer track or Jap track
ETC ETC ETC

Also, include a brand new soundtrack. Maybe Jap Rock Pop or whatever its called. (The rock music like in Bleach, Naruto, etc.)

There's no way to put the US score with the JP audio, due to the separate masters having been wiped ages ago. Plus, there'd be absolutely no reason to do that. Also, the Big Green dub didn't cover the series, only the movies, which didn't have Faulconer.

[LordCrumb]

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As much as I'd LOVE to see the US scores gone for good, I'm sure we'll see it on the next set of Blu-Rays a couple years down the road. That's right, FUNimation will milk that cow again with another Blu-Ray remastering down the road.

FUNimation did make the right choice with the Dragon Boxes though, only having one English track on there. As a product touted for the "hardcore, true-to-the-original-version fan", it made perfect sense to have the English dub with Japanese score on there only. One of the reasons I bought that release right away and dumped off my Orange Bricks and single DVDs.

I'd rather see FUNimation use the money they're paying Faulconer for the music royalties, and instead put that towards producing and releasing high-quality products with faithful localizations.

No one is forcing you to listen to it. You now how to switch audio tracks eh?

The English music hate on this forum is pathetic. It's like none of you respect what other fans enjoy and just let it be.

As for the Dragon Box, it doesn't make any sense to just have the English and Jap audio, because if it was truly designed as a "hardcore fan" product, it wouldn't have had an English dialog track at all, as those "hardcore" fans despise the English track.

[VegettoEX]

The English music hate on this forum is pathetic.

One user's opinion, neither here nor anywhere else, necessarily represents a non-existent "hivemind" for everyone else.

Furthermore, being rude toward the opinions you don't like certainly isn't going to bring anyone around.

[LordCrumb]

Being rude? I guess there is a big difference in what I consider rude and what you might then. Let's refine it to 'certain' members constantly belittle the Faulconer music.

[VegettoEX]

I agree with theoriginalbilis in that I think the inclusion of the replacement score is contrary to the furthering of the franchise in this country (something the company has worked really hard at). I apparently disagree with you, who thinks it should always and forever be included.

We have a difference of opinion at a very base level. I wouldn't consider either side "pathetic" and yes, I do consider it unbelievably rude to start calling people out that way.

theoriginalbilis made no judgement call on you personally; he made a judgement call on the artistic value of the music. If you can't agree to disagree at this base level without resorting to attacking people, I don't think this is the best place for you.

[TheGmGoken]

because if it was truly designed as a "hardcore fan" product, it wouldn't have had an English dialog track at all, as those "hardcore" fans despise the English track.

Wasn't the Funimation dragon box originally wasn't supposed to have the Dub? I thought it was a last minute decision. Also don't say "Jap" its offensive. I personally believe that that Bruce Production score shouldn't be used. I believe it will though for nostalgia fans as people love him. Though I can see about 10-20 Years from now that MAYBE he won't be there. I personally despise all his music except in Boo arc. I grew up with the Korean dub but when I came to USA there was a rerun of the entire series on Toonami and On-Demand. It's bad how they ruined the whole music and atmosphere of the show just by music alone. It got better with Boo arc as it least sounded Dragonball. Not before though. So the disliking is justified in most cases.

[Zephyr]

I think they should include every soundtrack and every type of dub and put them all in one set, then you can adjust which one of each you can view.
For example:
Jap voice w/ Faulconer track

I would actually enjoy watching this. But I doubt they would take the time to do it.

[dbboxkaifan]

I think they should include every soundtrack and every type of dub and put them all in one set, then you can adjust which one of each you can view.
For example:
Jap voice w/ Faulconer track

I would actually enjoy watching this. But I doubt they would take the time to do it.

They'd need the original audio files which they don't have any more and they'd have to properly do the music placements where on the FUNimation dub that didn't go very well at all.

[Fizzer]

The Faulconer track certainly shouldn't be the primary audio track (then again, neither should that disgrace of an English dub at all) but there's no harm in including it. I wouldn't buy another release that didn't have it despite usually watching in Japanese, and I know that an awful lot of people wouldn't buy a release that didn't have the Faulconer track. Did you see the comments on the Dragon Boxes, Kai and BoG?

[DarkPrince_92]

I'd miss it, but only for nostalgia purposes. If Funimation were to not include it in later releases, I wouldn't "Not Buy It" because it lacks that score if they did a good enough job with the release.

[Valerius Dover]

Like I said, I'm happy with my Season Sets, but what would've happened if they had never included the US score in the sets at all? As in, not even secondary? They probably would've lost a lot of dub fans along the way. I would've been pretty bummed, too.

As for Kai, that's a separate series. There's no reason to complain about the lack of something that was never there in the first place.

[theoriginalbilis]

No one is forcing you to listen to it. You know how to switch audio tracks eh?

I sure do. I learned how DVD menus work by buying FUNi's Dragon Ball Z DVDs and immediately switching to the Japanese track.

The English music hate on this forum is pathetic. It's like none of you respect what other fans enjoy and just let it be.

I absolutely respect the vast majority of the users on this forum. Most of the users here bring interesting analysis, opinions, and discussion to the forum, even if I don't always agree with it. For the record, I don't hate the Faulconer score. There are some decent pieces in there, I guess. I'm even okay with someone loving the US version and despising the Japanese version, so long they're respectful towards other members and can actually hold a civil conversation. Which happens a heck of a lot more on here than say... Youtube.

I mostly dislike the Eng track w. US music track because of what it represents: A time when anime licensors didn't have enough faith in the merits of the original show, and felt they had to chop/rewrite/rescore/retool the show, VERY CHEAPLY, mind you, to appeal to US children. The fact that most of the dub rewrites and inaccuracies are treated as facts that overshadow even sites that go out of their way to give information about the franchise like this one irks me to this day. Look at DBZ Kai's dub: even the TV edited versions are more faithful than Z's uncut dub ever was. The dialogue still gets the intended point across, the music isn't changed to "enhance" the goofy/silly moments or "enhance" the epic "badass" scenes. And it's still popular.

There's no reason why the 1999-2002 FUNi Z dub couldn't have at least been as respectful as their DragonBall dub, with minimal editing as required by American TV standards. At least FUNimation learned their lesson with the video games, the "Season" releases, and Kai's localization (which is wonderful). Harmony Gold still won't let go of their edited/localized "Robotech" version of Macross until the company goes belly-up.

As for the Dragon Box, it doesn't make any sense to just have the English and Jap audio, because if it was truly designed as a "hardcore fan" product, it wouldn't have had an English dialog track at all, as those "hardcore" fans despise the English track.

Sure it makes sense to have an English audio track on the Dragon Boxes. Despite FUNi adding the English w. JPN music track as a last minute addition, it still fit with the mentality they were selling it towards: As faithful to the original show as possible. And at the time, that English track was the most faithful version they had of the Z TV series in English (at least music-wise.) Keep in mind, this was before Kai was licensed, re-dubbed, and changed the game for a faithful "Z-era" dub. I'm pretty confident that the US Dragon Boxes wouldn't have sold nearly as well if it was sub-only, so for that, I'm grateful the included the most respectful English track they had at the time. Sub-only anime DVDs don't do near the sales numbers that bilingual DVDs do.

Besides, there's no reason to be mad about what I said. I conceded that FUNimation will most likely continue including the Faulconer track on future releases.

Anyway, I finished that can of worms.

[Valerius Dover]

I agree that every single re-score in history is done for the wrong reasons. To me, it's a bit pointless to hate on it just for that. I don't know about other people, but I find that the more different a dub is, the more it makes me want to see the original.

[theoriginalbilis]

I agree that every single re-score in history is done for the wrong reasons. To me, it's a bit pointless to hate on it just for that. I don't know about other people, but I find that the more different a dub is, the more it makes me want to see the original.

I respect you for being that open-minded; most people aren't.

They'll see an English dub for a show on TV and judge the series based on that exposure alone. In my experience, I've legitimately tried to introduce folks to One Piece. Many of those folks never gave the uncut version of the show a proper chance because they watched maybe an episode of the 4Kids dub, and told me: "that show is for babies." Luckily, FUNimation has done right by One Piece and managed to bring it back here into a mildly successful property. The thing about "reversioned" dubs is that it's such a double-edged sword. Good thing they don't happen nearly as much anymore outside of a few exceptions.

If it's a dub that is poorly produced or perhaps wildly divergent from the original version, it can allow for initial viewers to make an unfair judgement on the series.

I will admit that at least with dubs like Robotech, Sailor Moon, and Dragon Ball Z, just enough the essence of what made those programs popular initially squeezed through intact after all of the edits, rewrites, and cuts, and they became popular. Don't get me wrong, either. I'm a big fan of the anime dubs produced in L.A. during the 90's and 2000's. Companies like Animaze and Bang Zoom! Entertainment really knew what they were doing, and most of those dubs hold up today. I also dig much of the work done by Canadian outfits like Ocean Studios. Their work on productions like Galaxy Express 999, Death Note, the Gundam franchise, and even the first three Dragon Ball Z movies are really strong work IMO.

[Valerius Dover]

They'll see an English dub for a show on TV and judge the series based on that exposure alone. In my experience, I've legitimately tried to introduce folks to One Piece. Many of those folks never gave the uncut version of the show a proper chance because they watched maybe an episode of the 4Kids dub, and told me: "that show is for babies." Luckily, FUNimation has done right by One Piece and managed to bring it back here into a mildly successful property. The thing about "reversioned" dubs is that it's such a double-edged sword. Good thing they don't happen nearly as much anymore outside of a few exceptions.

That's the downside to it all, I suppose. The only thing I'm really opposed to is all this "Edited Only" nonsense that prevents the original from being legally available.

[TheBalishChannel]

The Faulconer score seems to be getting quieter and quieter with each release it seems like, almost to the point of being completely inaudible in some cases. To be honest, I actually wouldn't be too surprised if it was gone by the next release. They hardly ever use clips that have it in their little promo videos and special features for their DVD's/Blu-Rays.

[Valerius Dover]

The Faulconer score seems to be getting quieter and quieter with each release it seems like, almost to the point of being completely inaudible in some cases. To be honest, I actually wouldn't be too surprised if it was gone by the next release. They hardly ever use clips that have it in their little promo videos and special features for their DVD's/Blu-Rays.

Well, it's mostly the Captain Ginyu Saga and the earlier Frieza Saga episodes that are too quiet. I did actually notice the music was quieter than I expected in those episodes. One exception was Episode 70, which apparently had it's entire placement altered from what I've heard.

There wouldn't really be any reason to feature the US scores in promos, since it's kind of only included as a bonus for the fans who like it.

[Fizzer]

The Faulconer score seems to be getting quieter and quieter with each release it seems like, almost to the point of being completely inaudible in some cases. To be honest, I actually wouldn't be too surprised if it was gone by the next release. They hardly ever use clips that have it in their little promo videos and special features for their DVD's/Blu-Rays.

They're actually altering it to make the music too quiet? (Compared to what they originally wanted from that track) Why would they do that?

[90sDBZ]

The Faulconer score seems to be getting quieter and quieter with each release it seems like, almost to the point of being completely inaudible in some cases. To be honest, I actually wouldn't be too surprised if it was gone by the next release. They hardly ever use clips that have it in their little promo videos and special features for their DVD's/Blu-Rays.

I thought it sounded a bit quieter on Season 2 of the Orange Bricks when it was first introduced. Is it actually quieter still on the Blu-ray sets?