Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

[JulieYBM]

Toei Animation Philippines has been providing numerous episodes themselves for HappinessCharge PreCure!. The bank animation by in-house animators also have not been up to their usual standards. This is clearly thanks to the busy schedules everyone at Toei Animation is leading, although it could be the shortage of talented key animators is due to work on the 11 October release of the tenth anniversary movie. Series Director Nagamine Tatsuya is directing that film himself, so I wouldn't be surprised if he has talented in-house Toei Animation animators running back-and-forth between the film and TV series. Francis Caneda and Joey Calangian have acted as the animation supervisors for both Episode #7 and Episode #14 together, each time using over a dozen key animators from TAP and two or four key animators from Japan. Francis Caneda and Paul Ano-nuevo are actually pretty talented animators, so it's a shame they're not always able to do their best due to a lack of drawings or good directing.

[coola]

They even made Ashita no Nadja. That`s actually make me more sad, to think how beautifully current shows would look, if Toei weren`t such a greedy who.. who wanted to cash-in with too many projects at once

[dbboxkaifan]

If it wasn't for the cash-cow that it is Dragon Ball Z Toei Animation probably wouldn't be able to handle so much as they've been doing and quite a shame that a high quality company such as Studio Ghibli closes down while Toei Animation continues with their half-assed anime series.

[JulieYBM]

If it wasn't for the cash-cow that it is Dragon Ball Z Toei Animation probably wouldn't be able to handle so much as they've been doing and quite a shame that a high quality company such as Studio Ghibli closes down while Toei Animation continues with their half-assed anime series.

Ghibli is not closing down, that was a misinterpretation.

Toei Animation is making so many animated series and films because they have partners who want to sell merchandise. These partners need to be placated so that they don't run off to other studios.

[Blade]

Ghibli is not closing down, that was a misinterpretation.

No, but the statement did say that all options will be considered, including the halting of production of future original animated works. Whilst the company itself isn't going away, it's quite possible they wont be making any new stuff.

[Tatakae!!Ramenman]

If it wasn't for the cash-cow that it is Dragon Ball Z Toei Animation probably wouldn't be able to handle so much as they've been doing and quite a shame that a high quality company such as Studio Ghibli closes down while Toei Animation continues with their half-assed anime series.

I would take toei animation over studio Ghibli any day. I have never understood all the love for studio Ghibli.

[Ajay]

What have you seen from Ghibli and what exactly do you think about them if you fail to understand the praise?

[Valerius Dover]

I would take toei animation over studio Ghibli any day. I have never understood all the love for studio Ghibli.

I hope you're not using Warriors of the Wind as your basis for this...

[KentalSSJ6]

If it wasn't for the cash-cow that it is Dragon Ball Z Toei Animation probably wouldn't be able to handle so much as they've been doing and quite a shame that a high quality company such as Studio Ghibli closes down while Toei Animation continues with their half-assed anime series.

I would take toei animation over studio Ghibli any day. I have never understood all the love for studio Ghibli.

If you need a example of the studio's talent, watch Ponyo. Every scene where water is animated? Miyazaki hand drew every single bit of it.

[Ajay]

Princess Mononoke, Spirited Away, and Howl's Moving Castle are three masterpieces in terms of both the fantasy genre and animation as a whole. Their stories are timeless and the animation is on such a high level that it'll take a long time to ever feel dated if at all.

Grave of the Fireflies is easily one of the most grounding and poignant pieces of animation I've ever seen. It's heartbreaking and it's thought provoking. It's one of the films that came to mind when I lost my cool over a certain forum member's reaction to crying at animation.

They may be somewhat formulaic in their set-up but each film features something unique and is accompanied by absolutely beautiful soundtracks. Hisaishi's work with Miyazaki is breathtaking.

The fact that two animated films from Japan were up for Oscars for Best Animated Picture is a heck of feat let alone actually winning one.

The praise for the company and its films are absolutely founded. It shouldn't be hard to understand why they're so well loved. They're truly beautiful and touching tales and only the recent work on Makoto Shinkai has come close to hitting that level of quality for me.

[JulieYBM]

The studio doesn't really matter, the core staff and the amount of time and money provided by the production committee does. Higher a talented series director with plenty of connections with freelancers and allow him some good money and time and you can have a well animated series. This is how Naruto Shippuuden has turned out so good, the production committee members allows it the time and money to produce high quality episodes. Series Director Date Hayato has connections with talented directors who have their own connections with talented animators. That's what Dragon Ball would need. Bring in a series director like Nagamine Tatsuya and give each episode a relatively length schedule (three-to-six months per episode) and you should have solid episodes, especially if there is the money to produce the sort of higher-quality cuts talented freelancers want to make.

[sangofe]

The studio doesn't really matter, the core staff and the amount of time and money provided by the production committee does. Higher a talented series director with plenty of connections with freelancers and allow him some good money and time and you can have a well animated series. This is how Naruto Shippuuden has turned out so good, the production committee members allows it the time and money to produce high quality episodes. Series Director Date Hayato has connections with talented directors who have their own connections with talented animators. That's what Dragon Ball would need. Bring in a series director like Nagamine Tatsuya and give each episode a relatively length schedule (three-to-six months per episode) and you should have solid episodes, especially if there is the money to produce the sort of higher-quality cuts talented freelancers want to make.

Which episodes looked so good? I haven't seen it since eps 30 something and I honestly can't remember much looking so good.

[Kid Buu]

So far i like Crystal, and with 3rd episode, it is almost 100% certain we gonna get closest manga adaptation so far.

I would have liked it more if they kept the humor from the manga. Like the failed Sailor V kick or Mamoru trying to talk to Luna.

[JulieYBM]

The studio doesn't really matter, the core staff and the amount of time and money provided by the production committee does. Higher a talented series director with plenty of connections with freelancers and allow him some good money and time and you can have a well animated series. This is how Naruto Shippuuden has turned out so good, the production committee members allows it the time and money to produce high quality episodes. Series Director Date Hayato has connections with talented directors who have their own connections with talented animators. That's what Dragon Ball would need. Bring in a series director like Nagamine Tatsuya and give each episode a relatively length schedule (three-to-six months per episode) and you should have solid episodes, especially if there is the money to produce the sort of higher-quality cuts talented freelancers want to make.

Which episodes looked so good? I haven't seen it since eps 30 something and I honestly can't remember much looking so good.

Episodes #82, #85, #120, #123, #131, #135, #143, #166, #167, #180, #194, #217, #234, #248, #252, #290-295, and #322 are the main episodes I can think of off hand with superb directing and animation. Plenty of other episodes have really good animation sprinkled through them but I cannot remember them all. My personal favorites are Episode #167 (Wakabayashi Atsushi directs and storyboards), #194 (wall-to-wall superb animation and directing from Sessha Gorou and numerous big name animators), and #322 (Yamashita Hiroyuki's directing debut and filled to the brim with wild key animation from Kouda Masayuki and Fujisawa Ken'ichi).

I suggest checking out Sakugabooru and AnimeBlue's animator AMVs for in-depth looks at the individual key animators. Talented key animators like Yamashita Hiroyuki (who is directing the upcoming Episode #375 and acting as animation supervisor), Kouda Masayuki, Sessha Gorou, Fujisawa Ken'ichi, Kutsuna Ken'ichi, Kobayashi Naoki, Matsumoto Norio, Yamashita Shingo, and plenty of others have contributed quite a bit of wonderful animation for the series. You can find two long AMVs with various animators here and here.

Kobayashi Naoki only recently received the promotion to key animation, but his skills and his trust amongst the talented directors for the series has allowed him to begin providing action cuts that use a high number of drawings. For Episode #353 Episode Director Kumagi Masa'aki asked Kobayashi to do this lengthy action sequence. Before that he did a few cuts for Yamashita Hiroyuki's Episode #322, another early sign he was becoming an important resource for Date Hayato and friends.

[Tatakae!!Ramenman]

What have you seen from Ghibli and what exactly do you think about them if you fail to understand the praise?

I have seen "Spirirted Away", "The cat returns", and "Howl's Moving Castle". First off, I like the actual animation for all of these movies, but how the stories play out is where I have problems. "Spirited Away" was okay, but I can't understand people calling it a masterpiece. It was okay, but I never really saw anything story wise that jumped out at me and made me think "Wow, this movie is amazing!". I thought "The Cat Returns" was good. And I didn't like anything about "Howl's Moving Castle". I saw a trailer for it on Toonami, that made it look really good, which interested me, so I bought the DVD and I was extremely disappointed. I liked the concept based on the description and the commercial I saw, but I didn't see anything in the movie that I liked. I never developed any attachment to any of the characters. I didn't like how the plot unfolded and there were a lot of scenes with neat designs, but none of the characters were actually interesting. Nothing about how the story unfolded actually seemed "timeless" to me. Obviously Studio Ghibli wins in animation quality, but I just don't like the story telling of their movies.
I like the actual animation and character designs, it's just everything else that happens in the movies that I don't get much out of.

[Kid Buu]

So Episode 4 actually made things interesting by making a manga alteration (keeping Jadeite alive), but the humor keeps getting removed.

Would you have liked to see a DBZ remake alter things? I would, like removing one of Freeza's form.

[Metalwario64]

Would you have liked to see a DBZ remake alter things? I would, like removing one of Freeza's form.

Not removing all of the humor and such. It would be very dull (which is how I feel about Crystal).

[Kid Buu]

Well not that, I mean storyline changes (like how in this remake Jadeite doesn't die). I'd probably make a few minor altercations, like removing Kaioshin saying I'D NEVER FORGET FAT BUU'S HORRIBLE FACE only later to say I'D NEVER NEVER FORGET KID BUU'S HORRIBLE FACE.

[Metalwario64]

Well not that, I mean storyline changes (like how in this remake Jadeite doesn't die). I'd probably make a few minor altercations, like removing Kaioshin saying I'D NEVER FORGET FAT BUU'S HORRIBLE FACE only later to say I'D NEVER NEVER FORGET KID BUU'S HORRIBLE FACE.

I guess I wouldn't mind, but I'm happy with it keeping things as they are. I remember Penguintruth said he wished Kai would have removed Freeza's second and third transformations.

[coola]

It was confirmed, that Crystal is adaptation of Manga, that have added things Ms. Takeuchi didn't include at Manga, i still really like Crystal, despite a few animation issues, and i will take it over Kai, with it's cheap redrawn scenes, and poorly balanced pace (Add things from filler, and remove stuff from manga, Vegeta able to see SSJ Goku on Namek, closer to manga my a..) and tired voice actors, who are mostly shadows of their Z performance at any time. At least here it is something new, new animation, and different story. (Even Rei is different, in this adaptation, she seem to be more shy and wish for friend then Ami, that scene at game center, when Rei and Ami played Sailor V was really adorable) If i come out as fanboy, I'm sorry, I'm not, i can clearly see animation errors, but i still have lot of fun watching it.