This scene made me cry?

[Bullza]

There's nothing wrong with having connections with the characters, liking them, disliking them, routing for them, not wanting them to die etc and if other people want to cry over it that's fine but for myself to physically cry over it when it's just a cartoon is just taking it way too seriously for it's own good. Maybe as I small kid I cried over a cartoon but as an adult in his twenties then no I'm not crying over DBZ.

I never even particularly felt sad about anything in the show. Pretty much every good guy (except #16) who died was just revived, even Bora came back.

From a plot POV you didn't know Krillin would come back. The first time She long was killed. The second time Krillin died twice and couldt be brought back.

I've read enough comics to know they'll always ass pull something so I did know he'd come back. Chiaotzu died twice and he was still in the show even while dead.

[TheGmGoken]

Chazou was shown while dead because he was in other world. Also hope you don't mean cry as it crying loudly and tears running down. It's just being teary eyed. Sometimes the tear don't even fall

[Bullza]

You didn't answer my question, Bullza. Why would it be any more "wimpy" for someone to cry or be touched by something fictional just because it's animated. Are we not meant to be emotionally connected with live action fiction either?

You can feel free to be emotionally connected to anything though I'd certainly not cry over a live action fiction either because it's still not real. There is a difference though because you can connect more to live action because it comes off far more realistically seeing real live human beings as opposed to something like DBZ with it's somewhat shoddy animation.

So...you...acknowledge that Dragon Ball is for kids in the sense that you can't be touched by it, but then are annoyed when something else for kids is put into one of the movies.

There is a difference between something being made for kids and then something being childish. Toy Story was made for kids but can be enjoyed by anyone and in that movie Buzz didn't spray a poo on the wall...

[TheGmGoken]

Dbz was made for kids too...

[DarkPrince_92]

I'm kinda with Bullza... can't really invest myself emotionally into things like that. It's easier to connect to actors... that are people... than animated characters. I wouldn't go as far as to call anyone a "sissy"... but c'mon guys... man up.

[Gyt Kaliba]

You can feel free to be emotionally connected to anything though I'd certainly not cry over a live action fiction either because it's still not real. There is a difference though because you can connect more to live action because it comes off far more realistically seeing real live human beings as opposed to something like DBZ with it's somewhat shoddy animation.

That's a matter of opinion, though. I have no problem connecting with an animated character just as much as I can a live-action performance. Heck, I can think of more animated characters that I do feel a connection with than I do live-action characters, same with written characters as well. With live action you have no choice but to see the actor in question, so it can be harder to separate the actor from the character than it is with other things. But, that's just my own opinion as well I suppose.

There is a difference between something being made for kids and then something being childish. Toy Story was made for kids but can be enjoyed by anyone and in that movie Buzz didn't spray a poo on the wall...

Perhaps not, but I again stress that Dragon Ball has always had this sort of potty-based humor in it's background. Maybe it fell by the wayside once we got into the Z era (though I distinctly remember a bathroom joke with Super Boo in filler), but that doesn't stop it from existing beforehand. If the childish humor isn't to your tastes, then it's hard to figure out what it is you like about Dragon Ball at all then. I've said it before, and I'll say it again - even at it's most grim serious, we're still watching a guy whose real name is a carrot pun, from an entire alien race named after vegetables, going blonde and beating up a refrigerator. If that doesn't strike you as being meant to be funny on some level, then...

I'm kinda with Bullza... can't really invest myself emotionally into things like that. It's easier to connect to actors... that are people... than animated characters. I wouldn't go as far as to call anyone a "sissy"... but c'mon guys... man up.

No offense meant, and I mean this as a comment on society in general, but I really resent this notion that being "manly" somehow means you have to be tough shit that isn't in touch with your emotions. To me, being manly is standing up for your beliefs, liking whatever it is that you like, and not caring what people think of you for it, rather than fitting into some silly societal norm.

[TheGmGoken]

I'm kinda with Bullza... can't really invest myself emotionally into things like that. It's easier to connect to actors... that are people... than animated characters. I wouldn't go as far as to call anyone a "sissy"... but c'mon guys... man up.

I'm an emotional person. It's my best quality. Though its not like we're pouring down in tears. Its being touched by a scene or watery eyes. Especially if you have some relatedness to it. Just like Goku I didn't see my Grandpa (well Goku did) and in the scene posted it's just me feeling bad for Goku. Most actors I can't experience with because they look and sound phony compared to animation IMO.

[Gaffer Tape]

Agreed. This notion that not expressing emotion is somehow more "manly" is ridiculous, sexist, and limiting to society in general. If Dragon Ball or any other piece of fiction fails to get you emotionally invested, then that's fine. Acting like that somehow makes you stronger or better or free to dish out insults (like sissy) to those who do is insulting... and incorrect.

[ABED]

I don't see how someone's a sissy because they get emotional over a piece of art. People have a profound need for art, even popular art. It reflects what the author believes to be important, it conveys a sense of life. People find it important to see something that reflects how they see the world or how they want the world to be.

[Valerius Dover]

I definitely prefer animation over live action in general. Far more expressive in their faces. I can't really get a read on real people. And in my case, I don't have a lack of expression to be manly. (I am not very manly at all). I simply am not capable of expressing or feeling any extreme emotions. I have learned to recognize them in others, though.

Anyway, it'd be really hard to mention one sad scene I liked best, but I remember the one with Yamcha's death at the hands of the Saibamen being very well done. Bulma was in a horrible state that we had not seen her in before. Krillin and Puar both had very tear jerking reactions as well. Also, Johnson's score was very good in this scene. I think he handled sad moments pretty well overall.

Master Roshi kind of ruined things when he groped Bulma in the next episode, though. I didn't have any problems with Oolong's earlier line when Puar fainted though. "Oh no, another one down!" Classic Oolong.

[DarkPrince_92]

I guess our backgrounds have a lot to do with it too. There are things in my life that happened that I wish didn't, but I was taught to tough it out and not bitch about it. Built myself tougher skin in response to a lot of unfortunate turns of events. I don't think I'm not in tune with my emotions, but rather use other emotions to replace "sad" ones I guess... or my sadness doesn't mean crying or whatever. I remember crying once a year ago when my mother was going through some heavy stress and she was crying herself, tore me up. Can't remember the last time before that... I was probably a kid.

So anyway, we're not all built the same way so if you cry, that's just what you do.

[Cure Dragon 255]

You get a pass. You've been taught that its best to stay calm and stoick. Nothing wrong with that. I personally never cried at Dragon Ball.

I am not, however, so keen on Bullza's arrogant and Pseudo Mature attitude.

[Bullza]

Perhaps not, but I again stress that Dragon Ball has always had this sort of potty-based humor in it's background.

Nah not always, it was more so in the early days of Dragon Ball. The series was always at it's worst when it had potty based humour. It was great that it eventually died off and was unfortunate for it to show up again in Battle of Gods though as I said I'm sure it was done only to appeal to the really small children.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - even at it's most grim serious, we're still watching a guy whose real name is a carrot pun, from an entire alien race named after vegetables, going blonde and beating up a refrigerator. If that doesn't strike you as being meant to be funny on some level, then...

Except what you just said is over exaggerating a point. They're just name puns they're not any worse than the names of the heroes and villains from Marvel or DC like most of Spider-man's enemies being animals. It's not silly and certainly not childish in the same way that drawing a poo is.

Dragon Ball had humour that wasn't potty based and actually was funny.

[Bullza]

I am not, however, so keen on Bullza's arrogant and Pseudo Mature attitude.

How is it being "Pseudo" mature? Just because I said I haven't cried or gotten teary eyed watching a kids cartoon? No that's just normal behaviour for an adult. Maybe some people here would cry which could be expected because they would of course take the show far more seriously than your average person but no adults generally don't cry over a cartoon.

[Kamiccolo9]

I am not, however, so keen on Bullza's arrogant and Pseudo Mature attitude.

How is it being "Pseudo" mature? Just because I said I haven't cried or gotten teary eyed watching a kids cartoon? No that's just normal behaviour for an adult. Maybe some people here would cry which could be expected because they would of course take the show far more seriously than your average person but no adults generally don't cry over a cartoon.

Who appointed you to speak for the "average" adult? All I see is someone who's determined to put on a "manly" front in front of an internet audience, which is the last kind of person that I'd want speaking for me.

If something is well written, well performed, or in some other way has managed to create some kind of attachment to the characters (which is, you know, what good fiction is supposed to do), why does it matter who the intended audience is or what medium the entertainment is conveyed through?

[TheGmGoken]

What's the average adult anyways? I don't take DB seriously. However unlike most Shouen who's emotional aspects are mostly forced. Db comes naturally and feels well thought out(which is coincidence seeing Toriyama writing style).

[Bullza]

All I see is someone who's determined to put on a "manly" front in front of an internet audience, which is the last kind of person that I'd want speaking for me.

See that you had to say that I'm trying to be manly just because I haven't cried watching a cartoon and find it a little strange for other adults to cry over a kids cartoon is a little bit laughable really.

If you got an average person in his twenties or thirties to sit down and watch DBZ then no he would not cry watching it. It has nothing to do with being manly or tough, grown adults just do not cry while watching a cartoon like DBZ. There is no arguing this.

However if you disagree then please feel free to make a video where you go up to a group of teenage boys and girls and tell them you cried watching DBZ. Let's see how many don't just laugh in your face.

[EXBadguy]

Goku defeating Piccolo, Piccolo's sacrifice for Gohan, Android 16's death, Father-son Kamehameha, and Majin Vegeta's sacrifice were pretty poignant, but I didn't cry at all. And even though Bulza's being a meanie right now, I agree with him. No need to cry over an anime. Heck, even One Piece doesn't make me cry neither, and it has a bit more emotional parts than DB(not that it's a good thing though. It can be too much).

[Gyt Kaliba]

However if you disagree then please feel free to make a video where you go up to a group of teenage boys and girls and tell them you cried watching DBZ. Let's see how many don't just laugh in your face.

I see a larger problem with the fact that a lot of people would react this way, than I do with the select few who can be touched in some way by a good story or character, animated or no.

[TheGmGoken]

All I see is someone who's determined to put on a "manly" front in front of an internet audience, which is the last kind of person that I'd want speaking for me.

See that you had to say that I'm trying to be manly just because I haven't cried watching a cartoon and find it a little strange for other adults to cry over a kids cartoon is a little bit laughable really.

If you got an average person in his twenties or thirties to sit down and watch DBZ then no he would not cry watching it. It has nothing to do with being manly or tough, grown adults just do not cry while watching a cartoon like DBZ. There is no arguing this.

However if you disagree then please feel free to make a video where you go up to a group of teenage boys and girls and tell them you cried watching DBZ. Let's see how many don't just laugh in your face.

Hope you don't think we're drowning in tears. But people know I easily teary eyed. No many has an issue. Most admit they have a soft spot for something too. So no video but I can show you text messages if you like. Here's some other examples
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/inde ... 827AAiy9kV
http://dbocom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4270

Most cry because they can relate to the scene. Like the grandpa Gohan scene. I cry litteraly on that one because I myself didn't meet my grandpa.

Some people cried litteraly(not teary eyed but cried) when The Rock and Lesnar returned to WWF....WWE.

Most adults wouldt cry which is true. It just didn't touch them. That's all. Doesn't did with "manly" at all