I have the kids at end of namek saga Goku.Zombie wrote:SSJ Goten (Buu) vs Kaioshin
SSJ Trunks (Buu) vs Kaioshin
No magic and the kids are pre RoSaT.
His power didn't decrease. His stamina decreased, he couldn't use Shunkan Ido properly, and he could only stay as a Super Saiyan 3 for less than a minute. Maybe not being able to use his God power became another issue?Luke Groundwalker wrote:doesn't Goku lose a lot of his power when Pilaf turned him into a child via the dragonballs?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Were the soldiers of the King shown to have the artillery the Red Ribbon had when Goku stormed their base?Son Edo wrote:King Castle Soldiers vs Red Ribbon Army Soldiers.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
Piccolo's egg hits Yamcha in the head, killing him instantly.Kid Buu wrote:So if Daimao didn't explode when he spat out Piccolo, and no one caught Goku when he was falling causing him to die....
Dying Daimao with a hole in his chest Vs. Broken-Leg Yamcha with a pair of Nunchecks
Most intense fight ever, I think it would be a draw.
Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
I know. Somehow, that egg manages to bonk Yamcha on the head by the time the fight starts. I guess it just hovers around until then.Kid Buu wrote:He already spat out the egg in this situation, though.
Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
The green guy hugs Yamcha and then explodes.Kid Buu wrote:Dying Daimao with a hole in his chest Vs. Broken-Leg Yamcha with a pair of Nunchecks
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Piccolo was scared to fight Kaioshin and I have Piccolo be around FPSSj level during the Buu saga via power scaling since he likely kept on training to get stronger after the Cell games. Goten and Trunks stand no chance.Zombie wrote:SSJ Goten (Buu) vs Kaioshin
SSJ Trunks (Buu) vs Kaioshin
No magic and the kids are pre RoSaT.
That's easy - it bounces back from where it lands.Kamiccolo9 wrote:I know. Somehow, that egg manages to bonk Yamcha on the head by the time the fight starts. I guess it just hovers around until then.Kid Buu wrote:He already spat out the egg in this situation, though.
That is an interesting point. I wonder if Piccolo could have won against Kaio-Shin though, or if he just chose not to fight out of respect?Hellspawn28 wrote:Piccolo was scared to fight Kaioshin and I have Piccolo be around FPSSj level during the Buu saga via power scaling since he likely kept on training to get stronger after the Cell games. Goten and Trunks stand no chance.Zombie wrote:SSJ Goten (Buu) vs Kaioshin
SSJ Trunks (Buu) vs Kaioshin
No magic and the kids are pre RoSaT.
How can Piccolo be close to the Super Saiyans when he said that Kaioshin was much stronger than him, and then we see that the Super Saiyans are much stronger than Kaioshin? On the other hand, Goten & Trunks are the ones shown to be close to the adult Super Saiyans.CordonBloo wrote:Piccolo was scared to fight Kaioshin and I have Piccolo be around FPSSj level during the Buu saga via power scaling since he likely kept on training to get stronger after the Cell games. Goten and Trunks stand no chance.
Piccolo said that "their dimensions are too different", which is a way to say "he is much stronger than me". Piccolo would have lost if he had fought him.CordonBloo wrote:I wonder if Piccolo could have won against Kaio-Shin though, or if he just chose not to fight out of respect?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Piccolo said that "their dimensions are too different", which is a way to say "he is a being of far higher status than I".CordonBloo wrote:That is an interesting point. I wonder if Piccolo could have won against Kaio-Shin though, or if he just chose not to fight out of respect?Hellspawn28 wrote:Piccolo was scared to fight Kaioshin and I have Piccolo be around FPSSj level during the Buu saga via power scaling since he likely kept on training to get stronger after the Cell games. Goten and Trunks stand no chance.Zombie wrote:SSJ Goten (Buu) vs Kaioshin
SSJ Trunks (Buu) vs Kaioshin
No magic and the kids are pre RoSaT.
The Saiyans are his friends, Kaioshin was a strange powerful guy that he suspected to be Dai Kaio. If it was out of respect, why did Kuririn panic?White Oni wrote:Clearly it's out of respect, if Piccolo was going to quite the tourni because of a gap in strength, he'd have never joined in the first place. (The saiyans being far stronger than him)
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
