Kid Buu wrote:Oh, I thought you were trying to say Daimao Arc was going to be 1, and you at least second switched it with whatever was 2. So Daimao was 3, but you switched it with whatever arc was 2?
Yep!
TheGmGoken wrote:I believe Piccolo taking over the world was supposed to be a slow burn. A slown dangerous burn.
I don't mind a slow burn. In fact, that would have been a great idea and built a lot of suspense. It's just that it never actually happens. It's as if someone lights the candle... and then immediately blows it out.
Hope you don't think I'm bashing RRA cause it's your favorite.
You don't have to worry about hurting my feelings. It's just an opinion on a piece of fiction. Bash away if you'd like.
But I believe RRA got the worst villains in DB. Besides Blue and Tao who was good? They were wasted especially Blue. Blue was built up great. Then he got ROFL stomp by Arale and Tao. Wasted potential. Tao was the only decent one. Here's my issue. RRA was all hyped up to be the baddest and strongest in Army ever. Instead they was taken out easily and all of them turnt out to be lame and "pussies".
Besides Blue and Tao Pai Pai, who was good? Well, Murasaki. Black and Red were both interesting surprises. I don't think Blue getting beaten by Arale was a waste. I thought that was hilarious. So I don't mind that they were taken out easily. It was telling a different kind of story than Piccolo was. In the Red Ribbon Army, it was more about Goku's adventures and the humor of seeing people continually underestimate him. I mean, I even made the comparison during this arc and praised the Piccolo Arc for finally giving Goku a good threat, but, while they did overdo it at times in the RRA Arc (mainly just during Muscle Tower), I think overall it was quite effective and still gave Goku several challenges to overcome (Buyon, Blue, Tao Pai Pai).
About Ten. Does he really matter? He's one the worst characters Toriyama came up with. Zero personality and charisma. No potential. Just NOTHING to work with.
Well, yeah, since he was presented as a main character in both the last arc and this one, it really does matter for the purposes of this discussion (ie. how effectively characters are used).
Pu'erh was another one who's consistently pretty damned boring and underdeveloped, but I still have to talk about him and express my wish that something had been done with him.
But knowing Ten he would fuck that up too .
Well, considering Tenshinhan isn't real, a lot of that blame has to go to Toriyama for not writing the character or the story properly, right?
Even though I can't stress this enough. Not being strong enough or not a fighter doesn't make you useless. You showed Bulma during Tenkaichi budokais. How would she be useful in a fair 1v1 fight? She's part if audience. Yamcha in this arc leg was broken. What was Oolong or Puar supposed to do here? Every character needed was used .
I'm not sure what side of the point you're arguing here. You say that not being a fighter doesn't make you useless (which I agree with) but then go on to describe just how none of those characters could have been useful.
Though Piccolo and...."Kami" life are the same their bodies aren't. So Piccolo wishing for Youth shouldn't effect Kami. Now wishing for immortality would. Unless you think Piccolo Jr should be born old like Kami..or Kami turning into a baby
I'm also not sure what you're saying here. It certainly doesn't sound like anything I said in my video. I never said Piccolo wishing for youth should affect Kami. In fact, that's my point. If Piccolo becomes young, Kami-sama is still old. So when Kami-sama's lifespan runs out, Piccolo still dies just as soon as he would have if he'd still been old. The only way it could have made a difference is if Kami-sama's life is already divinely extended because he's a god, a perk Piccolo obviously wouldn't have, but that's just something I pulled out of my ass.
RandomGuy96 wrote:Really? Not even Goku punching through Piccolo? I'm surprised, most people rate that as one of the best and most iconic moments in Dragon Ball, if not the best.
It's a very iconic image. I even said so at the time. And I think it's really cool. But it's definitely not something that, when I'm trying to find an episode I really want to see, I think, "Ooh, I really want to watch that." It's iconic, and it's good, don't me wrong. It just doesn't do all that much for me. Maybe that's partly because I find the fight as a whole to be rather lackluster. I dunno.
I don't think it's always a fault for a villain to not have a deep personality. If you're just going for a villain to be a threat and an obstacle rather than an interesting character in their own right, that's fine. Which is why Piccolo senior is one of my favorite Dragon Ball bad guys; he's an effective threat, he's really evil, and he's badass and cool, even if he lacks any sort of depth. He works especially well after a series of nothing but comically ineffectual villains.
I don't necessarily need them to be deep either. I don't need them to be brooding or tragic or even sympathetic (although all of those things are nice). But I do need them to have a personality. Otherwise, the hero might as well just fight a wall. Vegeta. Zarbon. Freeza. All of those guys are filled to the brim with personality, and that's what makes them memorable. Most people don't really talk about Tambourine or Cymbal. And honestly, I don't think the original Piccolo would be remembered that well if he wasn't directly connected to a much more interesting version of himself. The comical villains might have been ineffectual but... well, there's a reason Battle of Gods featured Pilaf and Co. so prominently after all...
You made surprisingly little mention of the whole Kami-Piccolo fiasco.
I did briefly mention it, but this arc was already going on for far too long for my tastes, and it seemed more relevant to cover in the next arc anyway since that's when God really becomes active. So don't worry. I'll definitely be getting into it.
What else would he wish for? I thought that getting a power boost was the primary point of the wish, along with maybe just feeling better in general, rather than a desire to actually live longer.
Yes, there is indeed that. However, it's not like he really needed the power. He was already stronger than anyone else on the planet. If he had just made sure Goku was dead, he wouldn't have had a problem. Besides, what's the point of taking over the world if you aren't going to get to enjoy it for very long? After all, he has to last at least another 42 years just for his plan to work out. So while I agree the power was definitely a motivating factor, it just seems rather silly and kind of a waste to wish for youth that's not really going to last. Well, not silly, just indicative that Toriyama hadn't considered it.
Saiga wrote:I see the Daimao arc as the RRA done
well, so I can excuse those similarities.
Haha, and I'm the opposite. I see the Daimao arc as the RRA done poorly, so it makes the repetition seem even worse!
