Shenron and Porunga "Rules"

[Dbzfan94]

Ok so hypothetically, Goku was revived originally by Porunga instead of Shenron in the Saiyan Saga.
(Yes I know story-wise it doesn't make sense, but it's just an example.)

So if Goku was revived by Porunga, could he still be revived by Shenron? He died before but Shenron wasn't the one to revive him, so would it still count?

[Kamiccolo9]

Ok so hypothetically, Goku was revived originally by Porunga instead of Shenron in the Saiyan Saga.
(Yes I know story-wise it doesn't make sense, but it's just an example.)

So if Goku was revived by Porunga, could he still be revived by Shenron? He died before but Shenron wasn't the one to revive him, so would it still count?

Yep. The "can't make the same wish twice" rule applies to each dragon separately. That's how Vegeta and Krillin, among others, were both brought back twice.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Yep. The "can't make the same wish twice" rule applies to each dragon separately. That's how Vegeta and Krillin, among others, were both brought back twice.

No it doesn't. Porunga just doesn't have that limit.

To answer your topic question, we already see this with Yamcha. He was only revived by Porunga, but was scared of dying in the Cell Arc because Shenlong wouldn't be able to revive him.

[Kamiccolo9]

Yep. The "can't make the same wish twice" rule applies to each dragon separately. That's how Vegeta and Krillin, among others, were both brought back twice.

No it doesn't. Porunga just doesn't have that limit.

To answer your topic question, we already see this with Yamcha. He was only revived by Porunga, but was scared of dying in the Cell Arc because Shenlong wouldn't be able to revive him.

D'oh. I forgot about Dende's line. Oops.
Does Yamcha say that Shenron wouldn't be able to revive him? And even if he did, how would Yamcha know that, anyway?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Yamcha is just scared of dying in general because he know Shenlong can't revive you more than once (who knows if he's even thinking that he was revived by Porunga).

It's while everyone is getting their asses kicked by the mini Cells at the Cell Games, Gohan (who I presume talked to Dende) says that only Trunks can be revived with the Dragon Balls because everyone else has already died before.

[trick007z]

The way I viewed it, Porunga and Shenron were remade when Kame and Guru died. (Dende gave Shenron a new set of rules during the Android arc, and Porunga was clearly improved sometime after the Namek arc). The change in guardians and the change in the Dragons actually meant they were different and reset the only one revival rule. Of course it's also perfectly valid that Porunga may have never had that rule.

My real question is why couldn't Shenron make the Androids human. It seemed like a pretty easy request. Replace their robot parts with their old human parts.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The change in guardians and the change in the Dragons actually meant they were different and reset the only one revival rule. Of course it's also perfectly valid that Porunga may have never had that rule.

That doesn't really workl. We were told directly in the Freeza Arc before Porunga ever died that he can revive someone as many times as he wants, but only one person at a time. Shenlong also tells us after the Cell Arc that he still can't revive Goku, even though he had just been upgraded by Dende.

My real question is why couldn't Shenron make the Androids human. It seemed like a pretty easy request. Replace their robot parts with their old human parts.

They have like two cybernetic parts: the piece for the deactivation controller and the their self-destruction device. All other modifications are organic, which is why they can be absorbed by Cell the way they are.

[Darkprince410]

The way I viewed it, Porunga and Shenron were remade when Kame and Guru died. (Dende gave Shenron a new set of rules during the Android arc, and Porunga was clearly improved sometime after the Namek arc). The change in guardians and the change in the Dragons actually meant they were different and reset the only one revival rule. Of course it's also perfectly valid that Porunga may have never had that rule.

It's established that Porunga's only real limitation, while they're still being tied to Saichorou and well before Muuri had them tied to him, is that he cannot revive multiple people with a single wish. He has no known limitation on how many times he can revive the same person, but at the time, reviving multiple people required a wish used for each. When Muuri became the new Elder, he upgraded them to allow them to revive multiple people with a single wish, thereby removing the one major weakness they originally had.

When Shenlon, Dende specifically says that since they used the same template as the old one tied to Kami, the general rules from them still applied, and any previous wishes made when they were tied to Kami still counted towards affecting his wishes. While Dende was able to alter it so that he could grant three wishes rather than one (dropping down to two wishes if one of them was sufficiently "large" enough), the dragon as a whole was identical to the way it was before. Since Goku had been revived by him in the Saiya-jin Saga, Shenlon was unable to bring him back to life when the wish was made to bring those back who had been killed by Cell.

[Tyro]

Podcast #354 has a nice in-depth breakdown of all the sets of Dragon Balls including their rules and limitations.