Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by Kid Buu » Sat Aug 16, 2014 9:00 am

I'd take Sailor Moon Crystal over DB Kai too, but mostly because I inherently just like SM better in general.
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by coola » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:07 am

Closest to Crystal i can think, can be Path of Power, rewriting of same story, but with some differences here and there, i actually liked Path of Power, and would love to see more movies, as re tell of old story, in new animation and some tweaks in scenario.
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by JulieYBM » Sat Aug 16, 2014 11:27 am

Yeah, I do think the next animated series for Dragon Ball ought to play around with the story more. Mention Gokuu's ability to grow stronger from near-death earlier on in the story or try to tackle some of the weaker loose-ends you would see mentioned in Dragon Ball Dissection. Changing a few characters' purposes would be nice, too.
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by Tatakae!!Ramenman » Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:11 pm

I would want to see Frieza kill Gohan instead of Kuririn to to cause Goku to turn SSJ, because I think that would add more emotional weight to the scene if goku's son dying caused him to turn SSJ instead of his best friend.
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by Kid Buu » Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:15 pm

Toriyama's lack of planning really stuck out in later arcs. There needed to be more foreshadowing of events, such as Gohan's hesitance to fight at the Cell Games, to make the plot structure feel more organic. A remake could have easily helped change this, but Toei really messed up with Kai.
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by Valerius Dover » Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:30 pm

Tatakae!!Ramenman wrote:I would want to see Freeza kill Gohan instead of Kuririn to to cause Goku to turn SSJ, because I think that would add more emotional weight to the scene if goku's son dying caused him to turn SSJ instead of his best friend.
I don't think a 5 year old being killed on screen would be something most fans would want to see.
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by Kid Buu » Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:38 pm

Oh and agree with coola that I really like Path to Power as well.
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Tatakae!!Ramenman wrote:I would want to see Freeza kill Gohan instead of Kuririn to to cause Goku to turn SSJ, because I think that would add more emotional weight to the scene if goku's son dying caused him to turn SSJ instead of his best friend.
I don't think a 5 year old being killed on screen would be something most fans would want to see.
Well, in Act 15 of the Sailor Moon, which is most likely going to be adapted to Crystal:
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by Valerius Dover » Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:05 pm

:shock: I hear Sailor Moon does have quite a few gruesome death scenes, rather surprisingly since I thought it had a mostly upbeat tone. I never would've imagined this happening to a child, though. Since we know Crystal actually does deviate from the manga, I get the feeling they may change gruesome stuff like that. Unless it's absolutely important, like Darth Vader getting burned.

Also, I like mixture of light and dark, so this makes me want to check it out even more. :D
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by Kid Buu » Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:20 pm

Well the context of that scene is in a dream, so I can see them taking it out. Actually one of the biggest complaints regarding Crystal is that it is too sombre, the manga was more balanced in that regard.

I mean, imagine if Kai removed all the humor, how awful would that be?
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Post by JulieYBM » Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:23 pm

Cargo and Dende were killed on-screen. I don't think killing Gohan would be any less of a problem.
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Post by Kid Buu » Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:25 pm

Wasn't Cargo's death altered in the anime or something along those lines? But yes, I agree with you.
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by B » Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:27 pm

Kid Buu wrote:Wasn't Cargo's death altered in the anime or something along those lines? But yes, I agree with you.
Dodoria kills him instead of Freeza, but he still fries pretty gruesomely.
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by Valerius Dover » Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:25 pm

JulieYBM wrote:Cargo and Dende were killed on-screen. I don't think killing Gohan would be any less of a problem.
Oh, I completely forgot about that for some reason. Well, then my case is rested.
Kid Buu wrote:Well the context of that scene is in a dream, so I can see them taking it out. Actually one of the biggest complaints regarding Crystal is that it is too sombre, the manga was more balanced in that regard.

I mean, imagine if Kai removed all the humor, how awful would that be?
Actually, it seems they can do whatever they want in dream sequences. Gohan died in one of those, and Chi-Chi died in pretty much every dream scene. :(
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by Chuquita » Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:44 pm

Kid Buu wrote:Well the context of that scene is in a dream, so I can see them taking it out. Actually one of the biggest complaints regarding Crystal is that it is too sombre, the manga was more balanced in that regard.

I mean, imagine if Kai removed all the humor, how awful would that be?
Crystal's loss of humor is depressing. I don't know why they did it. Two of the things Crystal is missing that make it a less interesting show are them getting rid of the humor and the sd expressions.

Third thing, loss of the 2-D transformation sequences.
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by Kid Buu » Sun Aug 17, 2014 7:06 am

Yeah, no idea why they are making this so grim. What if Toei made a series Dragon Ball series without all any humor? Although I would personally dislike that, a lot of people seem to like the darker aspect of the series such as Piccolo Daimao and History of Trunks, so it might be popular.

Also, I noticed we haven't gotten a voice actor for Artemis yet. I'd laugh if Kappei Yamaguchi returns to play him again.
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by Saiga » Sun Aug 17, 2014 7:40 am

Episode 4 at least seemed to keep more humour than the ones before it, but even the scenes they kept were noticeably downplayed.
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by Valerius Dover » Sun Aug 17, 2014 2:30 pm

Tatakae!!Ramenman wrote:I would want to see Freeza kill Gohan instead of Kuririn to to cause Goku to turn SSJ, because I think that would add more emotional weight to the scene if goku's son dying caused him to turn SSJ instead of his best friend.
Sorry to quote this again, but I just realized what bugged me about this. It's not just that he's 5. He's also the audience surrogate character for this part of the series. Goku may be the main character, but a good portion of this story seems to be told from Gohan's point of view.
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Re: Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

Post by linkdude20002001 » Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:48 pm

Chuquita wrote:Crystal's loss of humor is depressing. I don't know why they did it. Two of the things Crystal is missing that make it a less interesting show are them getting rid of the humor and the sd expressions.
Was that stuff in the comic? I constantly see people complaining that Crystal is terrible because they compare it to the other anime and not the comic.
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Post by Metalwario64 » Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:02 pm

linkdude20002001 wrote:Was that stuff in the comic?
I don't know much about Sailor Moon, but I've seen posted examples of manga pages with goofy, humorous expressions that were completely altered in Crystal.
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Post by Kid Buu » Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:06 pm

linkdude20002001 wrote:
Chuquita wrote:Crystal's loss of humor is depressing. I don't know why they did it. Two of the things Crystal is missing that make it a less interesting show are them getting rid of the humor and the sd expressions.
Was that stuff in the comic? I constantly see people complaining that Crystal is terrible because they compare it to the other anime and not the comic.
The facial expressions were more livlier in the comic, where as Rei comes across as lifeless.

Think about it like this. remember when Goku usually acts goofy he usually puts his hand behind his back and laughs with his eyes closed? Well imagine him having the same dialogue but without any expressions like that.
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