How much can Goku lift?

[OWmyDragonBallz]

I believe the SEG's state that the reason why Goku struggled with 40 tons was because his ki was reserved for flying. Without flying, how much do you think he can truly lift? Can he lift the earth like Superman? I doubt that.

[khalildh]

In the manga Goku didn't struggle with 40 Ton metal, and we have no idea what the Gravity on the planet was nor the special properties of the Katchin metal. We literally don't know the upper limits of Goku's lifting strength, we do know that he has to have an incredible striking force based on what is seen in Battle of Gods though. If Goku wanted to he could punch a hole clean through Earth, no problem.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

In the manga Goku didn't struggle with 40 Ton metal, and we have no idea what the Gravity on the planet was nor the special properties of the Katchin metal. We literally don't know the upper limits of Goku's lifting strength, we do know that he has to have an incredible striking force based on what is seen in Battle of Gods though. If Goku wanted to he could punch a hole clean through Earth, no problem.

Chapter: 428 (DBZ 234), P7.1-3
Context: South Kaio watches Goku train with some weights
South Kaio: “So he’s Son Goku, huh? The one said to have the #1 or #2 power in the North Area…Fufufufun…How much are those weights he’s wearing?”
North Kaio: “Oh, they’re not much. Each one is just 2 tons.”
South Kaio: “Tw-2 tons…?!”

Chapter: 428 (DBZ 234), P8.5-7, P9.1, P10.1-2
Context: after Kaio asks to change Goku’s weights to 10 tons
Goku: “10 tons!? I dunno, that might be a little too much even for me…I wouldn’t be able to move.”
[ ]
North Kaio: “You can become a Super Saiyan”
Goku: “Ah, well then it’s perfectly alright!”
[ ]
South Kaio: “Te-10 tons! That comes to 40 tons of weights in total! Is this really OK?”

Goku struggled in Base with that much, do you really think that as a SSJ3 his strength would increase to the point of lifting 13,170,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 pounds which is an estimate of the Earth's weight. Also, Goku punched through Kaio's planet which is the size of a backyard compared to the overly massive size of planet Earth.

[khalildh]

In the manga Goku didn't struggle with 40 Ton metal, and we have no idea what the Gravity on the planet was nor the special properties of the Katchin metal. We literally don't know the upper limits of Goku's lifting strength, we do know that he has to have an incredible striking force based on what is seen in Battle of Gods though. If Goku wanted to he could punch a hole clean through Earth, no problem.

Chapter: 428 (DBZ 234), P7.1-3
Context: South Kaio watches Goku train with some weights
South Kaio: “So he’s Son Goku, huh? The one said to have the #1 or #2 power in the North Area…Fufufufun…How much are those weights he’s wearing?”
North Kaio: “Oh, they’re not much. Each one is just 2 tons.”
South Kaio: “Tw-2 tons…?!”

Chapter: 428 (DBZ 234), P8.5-7, P9.1, P10.1-2
Context: after Kaio asks to change Goku’s weights to 10 tons
Goku: “10 tons!? I dunno, that might be a little too much even for me…I wouldn’t be able to move.”
[ ]
North Kaio: “You can become a Super Saiyan”
Goku: “Ah, well then it’s perfectly alright!”
[ ]
South Kaio: “Te-10 tons! That comes to 40 tons of weights in total! Is this really OK?”

Goku struggled in Base with that much, do you really think that as a SSJ3 his strength would increase to the point of lifting 13,170,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 pounds which is an estimate of the Earth's weight. Also, Goku punched through Kaio's planet which is the size of a backyard compared to the overly massive size of planet Earth.

Size doesn't matter, it is all about density. The Kaio planet is a lot smaller than Earth, but it also has a greater gravitational pull. Because that the Kaio plant would in fact be harder to punch through then Earth.

Super Saiyan Pokemon Man 1 Million wrote:

1. Has a more high end feat, when he threw that cube of katchin. Hardest metal is a dub error. In the original manga
it was the densest metal in the universe. That cube was at least 250 cubic feet. In the real world, the most dense metal is osmium which weights around 1250 lbs per square inch. So, to find out how much a 250 cubic foot of osmium is, we multiply 1250x, 12x, 250x. That gives us how many pounds. Then divide by 2,000 to see how many tons. This gives us 1,875 tons. It may seem wrong, but keep in mind this also. When Goku trained in 100x gravity you must factor in his weighted clothes with his body weight. His weighted clothes were stated to be 200 kilos or 400 pounds. Assuming Goku weighs 180 pounds, He would weigh 29 tons. But Goku wasn’t lifting that, he was living with it. His whole body, quite different than pulling a barbel. Goku was throwing rapid kicks and punches. If he weighed 29 tons, he was most likely moving 5-9 tons with each punch. That is like 5 punches per second, or at most 45 tons being moved every second. And he is doing it quickly. Goku never says it’s hard for him to lift 40 tons, he says it was hard to train with 40 tons, which are two different things.

2. The 40 tons feat actually proves Goku is class 100 very easily. If you look at the scan, SSJ Goku was lifting the 40 tons above his head, and was off the ground. Here is where it gets interesting. In order to be lifting something off the ground, you must be pulling with double the force it weighs. But, Goku isn’t standing, he was flying. Meaning Goku isn’t just pulling the object up, but also suspending it in the air. He is already spending 40 tons of force by flying. The fact that he was able to fold his arms up is actually like 80 tons. Because he was off the ground, already lifting the 40, and then moving the 40 tons.
But here is where it gets really interesting, See Goku was punching extremely fast again, with 40 tons on him. To accelerate a mass you must overcome it to reach a certain speed. Punching 5 times in one second, and his arm is like 2ft 10 inches long. He moving 40 tons almost 3 ft 5 times every second. Think of it like this, He is moving 40 tons, when it is already being lifted because he is flying, and moving 80 tons actually 5 times every second. And, laws of physics tell us, that after a punch is going it keeps moving with that force until an equal force stops it, a greater force will stop it. But to pull it back you will need to push back with greater force than what sent it. So, if he is flying already lifting 40 tons. Moving with it, moving actually 80 tons because that is the force pulling him down, but he is flying. And punching 80 tons 5 times per second, but needs to have double an opposing to be able to pull his punches back, Goku is moving 160 tons whenever he pulls his punch back. 160 tons every 5 seconds. What is weird is that this isn’t that far off from Goku’s high end feat, only its in base form when he threw katchin.

3. If we use pL’s Goku lifted 29 tons in 100x normal gravity. His max pL then was 180,000 when he fought Frieza his pL was 3 million. Roughly 16x higher, meaning he could theoretically lift 464 tons. But when Goku goes Kaiokenx20 his pL was 60 million, 20x more, meaning he could theoretically lift,9280 tons. But if keep going, We really do not how much stronger base Goku got. So 9,280 is out pL Goku’s physical LIFTING strength.

4.If you really thought about it, it doesn’t seem all that consistent. How is it that Goku could suplex a 200ft tall Piccolo if he couldn’t even lift 1 ton? How is it that Goku could almost stop an island thrown at him by frieza and survive getting sandwiched between two islands if he can’t lift 1 ton? That is what these insinuate, if 40 tons was SSJ Goku’s max, then your saying base Goku can’t lift 80 pounds.
Think about it, sure he said Vegeta would weigh 18 tons, but he never said exactly how much force he’d eventually encounter. Keep in mind his whole body weighed 18 tons, and he was flying and moving his body already overcoming 36 tons without being a Super Saiyan. So are saying base Vegeta = SSJ Goku?? It makes no sense. Featwise DBZ chars have proven they have strength, What about when SSJ Goku pushed apart a mountain? Or when Goku lifted that giant Glacier in the Android 19 movie? Its inconsistent. I am not saying Goku is super strong, and is the best ever, lol, no. All I’m saying is 40 tons is not his limit, and I highly doubt its consistent.

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[Doctor.]

More than 40 tons.

Piccolo Jr. weighted 116 tons if you want to use math to calculate a battle shounen. His lifting strength should co-relate somewhat with the strength from his punches. And he's able to hurt people who survive planet exploding attacks.

[Rocketman]

If Goku wanted to he could punch a hole clean through Earth, no problem.

Incorrect. it is not possible to punch a hole through a planet as big as Earth.

[khalildh]

If Goku wanted to he could punch a hole clean through Earth, no problem.

Incorrect. it is not possible to punch a hole through a planet as big as Earth.

That has more to do with the fact that the Earth is so large and also the fact that it isn't completely solid. The force would leave the epicenter and would spread outward at a rate that makes it unlikely that it would leave a clean hole.

But I don't know maybe DBZ is a fictional universe and controlling Ki is more important than physics. Your move.

[FoolsGil]

Well according to Death Battle, Goku, end of Z, at base level would be able to pick up 40 tons without ki. At SSJ3, he would be able to pick up 16,000 tons.

[Pantalones]

How much can Goku lift? There's no way to say for sure from what we've seen.

The 40 tons thing isn't really even a good guess, because it isn't in the context of "Goku standing and lifting something." It's pretty stupid when people peg that 40 ton number as Goku's maximum for base form and ignore that the scene isn't Goku trying to lift a 40-ton weight and failing. It's Goku, flying (Bukujutsu having been established as something that consumes ki much much more rapidly than just normal movement--so it takes more effort to do other stuff while flying than while standing on solid ground), with 10 tons on each of his limbs. "How much can you lift" is not the same as "how much can you handle suddenly materializing on your wrists, while already using some effort to stay up in the air, oh and you also have that much weight on your legs now too."

You also have to remember that going Super Saiyan didn't take him from "unable to lift 40 tons" to "able to lift 40 tons." It took him from "able to fly around punching with 2 tons of weight on each limb" to "able to fly around punching with 10 tons of weight on each limb, seemingly with even less effort than 2 tons per limb took in base form." Who even knows how much of a jump in weight-lifting ability SSj2 and SSj3 would give him, considering that lifting strength and power level don't seem to have a consistent "this much more power level points = this much more lifting" relation to each other.

And then there's the whole thing about how that's Goku before the Buu saga, and Goku gets stronger after that point--a lot stronger, what with Battle of Gods bumping him up from "SSj3 with punches that bust a hole through King Kai's planet can't even make Beerus flinch" to "base/Super Saiyan actually keeps up fairly well with Beerus for a while, at least at 70%." There is literally no way to accurately estimate what Goku's maximum lifting strength is at that point.

Incorrect. it is not possible to punch a hole through a planet as big as Earth.

Yep,that's right, real life science as we know it in 2014 TOTALLY applies to characters from a manga/anime from the early 90s who have thousands of times more power than the level required to shoot energy beams that destroy planets...

[Tectorman]

Well according to Death Battle, Goku, end of Z, at base level would be able to pick up 40 tons without ki. At SSJ3, he would be able to pick up 16,000 tons.

Disputing the Death Battle figure for Goku's lifting strength.

They equated Goku lifting 40 tons with him being able to withstand 586 Gs. First of all, it's actually 585 Gs. Goku weighs 137 lbs and has 40 tons, or 80,000 lbs. Since the last established figure for his clothes was King Kai saying that Goku's clothes were durable but not heavy (back when he was fighting Frieza) we cannot assume a figure for how much they weigh.

So, 80,137 divided by 137 is 584.941606.

So we can extrapolate backwards how much he could lift by moving backwards. When he had only mastered 100 Gs, his lifting strength must've been only 13,700 lbs, or less than seven tons. So he can accomplish more in a casual elbow jab against Recoome than Vegeta's more-than-Earth-busting Gallic Gun did, but he can only lift less than seven tons. Right.

Let's go back further. If Goku had only mastered 10 Gs, then his strength would cap out at less than one ton (1,370 lbs).

Let's go back further. If Goku hadn't even begun any gravity training, then his strength should've been limited to 137 lbs. Folks, please. I am vastly less physically fit than Goku and I can lift more than that (arguably, not while flying in midair). It's patently ridiculous to draw the conclusion that Death Battle does regarding his strength

Goku had trained briefly in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber before he faced Piccolo Junior. We know that's a 10 G environment. We also know he didn't master 10 Gs until he trained with King Kai. So we're supposed to accept that his strength versus Piccolo was between 137 lbs and 1,370 lbs. I disagree because I promise Piccolo weighed more when Goku judo-threw him by his finger.

Let's take a look at the boulder training Master Roshi puts Goku and Krillin through before the 21st Budokai. No, they're not lifting the boulder; they're merely shoved it across a field. But if anything, that's even more impressive because they were constantly fighting the friction between the boulder and the ground.

Heck, we can go back to the very first meeting between Goku and Bulma. He mistakes her and her car for a monster and picks them both up. Bulma plus her car weighed more than 137 lbs, so Goku's been surpassing the Death Battle estimate since day one.

Which isn't to say they were wrong to note that scene. It's just that they drew two conclusions from that datum (1. that Goku in base form had progressed to the equivalent of 585 Gs and 2. that Goku could only lift 40 tons), when it really should've only been the first. Goku being under 40 tons acting as high gravity would certainly make him unable to move, but that is not the same thing as his strength capping at 40 tons.

[Rocketman]

But I don't know maybe DBZ is a fictional universe and controlling Ki is more important than physics. Your move.

Then stop using physics to justify bullshit.

[rereboy]

I believe the SEG's state that the reason why Goku struggled with 40 tons was because his ki was reserved for flying. Without flying, how much do you think he can truly lift? Can he lift the earth like Superman? I doubt that.

Dragonball is pretty inconsistent regarding that.

In chapter one of Dragon Ball, Goku lifted a car that likely weighed around 1 ton and threw it and, just a few chapters later, Goku also lifted a rock that should also weigh around 1 ton and crushed it by "hugging" it.

However, in the Buu saga, where Goku is literally hundreds of millions times stronger than the first chapter in his base form, he struggles with 40 tons while flying? Doesn't make much sense honestly. We know for a fact that the author doesn't bother much with this kind of details so we can't really have a real and consistent answer.

Nonetheless, even if it was consistent, Superman probably would still lift more because his powers have always fluctuated immensely and as a general rule he can do whatever the author wants him to do, making his abilities absurd in magnitude.

[The Monkey King]

Dragon Ball has usually been funny regarding character strength. I mean like in the first chapter Goku lifts and throws a 1 ton car then a few chapters later he's like 'A 20kg turtle shell!?'. Then in the 23rd BT he shows off his 100kg+ clothes like it was a lot then goes on to casually throw giant Piccolo (who according to official suplementary information should weigh 116 tons), heck even Tao could casually lift stone pillars and throw them 2300km at hypersonic speeds. Then in the Freeza saga Goku describes the spirit bomb he's created as having enough force to crush/squash the entire planet and Freeza managed to slow down its desent with his physical strength alone and in the Buu saga Kid Buu was on the verge of completely overpowering an even stronger Spirit Bomb with his own physical strength.

[Mr.Judge]

Very Common Question that arises due to that training arc in Buu saga which questions or even doubts the strength of DB characters.

This Question was addressed in this thread.
The Physics of DB

Basic Conclusion is Akira Toriyama does not have good knowledge about mass/weights.

Well according to Death Battle, Goku, end of Z, at base level would be able to pick up 40 tons without ki. At SSJ3, he would be able to pick up 16,000 tons.

Death Battle gave a planetary durability to Goku while giving a planetary punch to Superman while Super Perfect Cell can destroy Solar System with his most powerful attack and in most cases, you are as strong as your strongest attack.
Based on analysis on what the characters are truly capable of, there is not a single character in Marvel/DC(except skyfathers and above) capable of destroying Planet Vegeta which has 10 times Earth's gravity with a single finger, indicates that Superman cannot faze Namek saga Goku or even First form Freeza with his planetary punches. Superman punches would be like mosquito bites to Freeza.

[Bullza]

How much can Goku lift?

Less than a 1000th of 1 percent of what Superman can lift.

[Mr.Judge]

How much can Goku lift?

Less than a 1000th of 1 percent of what Superman can lift.

based on?

I'll present multiple feats which put early DB part 1 characters is multiple Thousand to Million Ton Range.

[khalildh]

Superman has feats in the Quintillion ton range. Nobody should be saying that Goku can lift more than Superman. Goku's striking feats greatly surpass Superman's though.

[Mr.Judge]

Superman has feats in the Quintillion ton range. Nobody should be saying that Goku can lift more than Superman. Goku's striking feats greatly surpass Superman's though.

there is the concept of Ki augmenting in DB.

How much can Clark Kent lift with zero sun reserves , how much can Bruce Banner lift in non hulk mode. how much can Goku lift with zero ki reserves(definitely not 40 tons because Kid Goku feats lie in Million ton range)?

Superman gets thrown around by punches which are compared to Howitzer while Raditz stands unfazed by Piccolo's Attack while Freeza destroys planets with his finger.

[Bullza]

based on?

The fact Superman lifted 6 sextillion tons for 5 days straight and Goku couldn't even lift 40 tons. Sure he has the SSJ forms but even then he probably can't even lift 1 million tons.

[Mr.Judge]

based on?

The fact Superman lifted 6 sextillion tons for 5 days straight and Goku couldn't even lift 40 tons. Sure he has the SSJ forms but even then he probably can't even lift 1 million tons.

So I knew you would be using the 40 tons are the basis for your argument.

here are the feats.
a)Kid Goku jumps to sky after lifting 20kg shells which he finds hard to lift after lifting rocks and cars.(million ton to enter clouds at hypersonic Speed)
b)Kid Goku pushes a Boulder which is bigger than pine trees nearby.
c)Tao pai pai initial inertia after jumping is more than enough to send himself 4600 km considering he threw a stone pillar the size of his height across 2300km.(million ton strength at hypersonic Speed to throw pillar and double to send him across)
d)Bora throws Yajirobe and Goku combined mass above clouds.(million ton to enter clouds at hypersonic Speed)
e)Goku after his 100x gravity training (6 tons training) catches a ki ball from Freeza which crushes him against a small hill in namek. instead of tearing his 6 tons muscles , Goku is pushed through the rock displacing million tons of rock in the process.
f) Buu can destroy Earth with his breath alone

When it comes to number about weights, Then Akira Toriyama knowledge about weight is not as extensive as western comic writers but the feats In DB easily puts early Db character above Million Ton range instead of 40 ton.