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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:42 pm

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rereboy wrote:As usual, criticism towards this fan manga comes way too naturally.
An honest mistake was made and admitted to. There's no need to try and spin that as being telling of the criticize this manga receives as a whole.
You seem to think I based my comment on solely that one post. I didn't.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by mAcChaos » Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:02 pm

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rereboy wrote:As usual, criticism towards this fan manga comes way too naturally.
An honest mistake was made and admitted to. There's no need to try and spin that as being telling of the criticize this manga receives as a whole.
The thing is that it is telling. DBM gets harshly criticized many times by power-level/power-scaling afficionados - sometimes rightly but most of the time it stems from hearsay. A prime example is that it has become common knowledge by now that "Salagir has nerfed Freeza because he believed in a mistranslated edition of the manga". Only he didn't - in DBM Freeza's powerlevel is stated to be the same as in the manga and the only place where Salagir has addressed this French typo was on his website where he put an info saying "I know it's wrong but let's for a moment assume it could be right and downscale all the Freeza saga powerlevels accordingly".
I can easily see someone in this thread (some 40 pages from now) complaining (as it is so often the case here): "DBM's powerlevels are crap: do you remember that time when a kid survived a blast from King Cold?" because they remembered only the fact that it seemed so wrong and then they didn't bother to check whether they remember correctly. It's actually the same thing as with Brolly being the focus of this story...

And now for something completely different: the DBM facebook page has posted an announcement:
Dear DBM readers, this is an important message.
To continue our webcomic Dragon Ball Multiverse as long as posible, we need that good drawers join us. A "good" drawer is a drawer who can draws comics, or mangas, without problem, and withou copy the manga or anime dbz.

You will draw a special chapter (24 pages), about an univers you like. And you'll propose your ideas to Salagir for the scenario.

So, if you are a drawer, or if you know drawers who can be interested by our webcomic, please contact me, or contact us on dbmcontact@dragonball-multiverse.com

Thank you verry much.
Maybe someone will be interested.
It was mainly because the art was unclear. I thought he was just reaching out to grab the kid or something to save him, and the kid activated the shield on his own when I first read it.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Zephyr » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:08 pm

This is a fanmanga that's made several controversial decisions throughout. How are people not expecting constant knee-jerk criticism?

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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:20 pm

Zephyr wrote:This is a fanmanga that's made several controversial decisions throughout. How are people not expecting constant knee-jerk criticism?
Because knee-jerk reactions aren't really the best kind? We're all guilty of them, but it's not exactly the best judgement pattern to fall into.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Fionordequester » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:36 pm

This is a fanmanga that's made several controversial decisions throughout. How are people not expecting constant knee-jerk criticism?
Because, in addition to not being the best judgement pattern like Zephyrs said, but also makes the thread a whole lot less fun to read. I mean, I actually looked back on the very first pages of this thread, and...man, there's a real difference in the vibe. Everyone's so much more positive, and when there was criticism, it seemed a lot more balance. But now...the thread seems like it's fallen into this atmosphere of negativity that's just...unpleasant.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Zephyr » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:46 pm

I wasn't justifying the near constant negativity, I was just saying that it shouldn't come as a surprise.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Fionordequester » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:22 pm

Ah...I see. The way you phrased it though, you didn't seem to think it was a bad thing. So, my bad.
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Zephyr » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:34 pm

I could see that. No problem.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:17 am

Zephyr wrote:This is a fanmanga that's made several controversial decisions throughout. How are people not expecting constant knee-jerk criticism?
Actually, this is one of the better DB fanmangas out there. However, despite this, its also one of the most criticized, receiving constant criticism and negativity.

In fact, there are several other DB fan mangas out there, including several that have their own topic on this forum and that are not clearly superior to DBM at all, which do not receive anywhere near comparable criticism or negativity.

So, no, I see no reason to expect DBM to receive constant knee-jerk criticism. If anything, that negativity and criticism seems to be completely out of proportion and illogical.
Fionordequester wrote: I mean, I actually looked back on the very first pages of this thread, and...man, there's a real difference in the vibe. Everyone's so much more positive, and when there was criticism, it seemed a lot more balance. But now...the thread seems like it's fallen into this atmosphere of negativity that's just...unpleasant.
And on those first pages, all that people knew of DBM was Vegetto struggling against Broly in some sort of flashback without any other fight shown. The fact that people were more positive with that than they are now is VERY telling.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by mAcChaos » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:45 am

rereboy wrote:
Zephyr wrote:This is a fanmanga that's made several controversial decisions throughout. How are people not expecting constant knee-jerk criticism?
Actually, this is one of the better DB fanmangas out there. However, despite this, its also one of the most criticized, receiving constant criticism and negativity.

In fact, there are several other DB fan mangas out there, including several that have their own topic on this forum and that are not clearly superior to DBM at all, which do not receive anywhere near comparable criticism or negativity.

So, no, I see no reason to expect DBM to receive constant knee-jerk criticism. If anything, that negativity and criticism seems to be completely out of proportion and illogical.
It is probably because of expectations. If the fan manga looks like someone just drew it in their spare time for fun, then that's what everybody is going to take it as.

DBM looks more like a professional production though.
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Post by Rocketman » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:18 pm

rereboy wrote:Actually, this is one of the better DB fanmangas out there. However, despite this, its also one of the most criticized, receiving constant criticism and negativity.
Most DB fanmangas are AF horseshit and completely unworthy of anyone's time. DBM occasionally shows signs of being something greater.

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Post by Skar » Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:07 pm

rereboy wrote:
Zephyr wrote:This is a fanmanga that's made several controversial decisions throughout. How are people not expecting constant knee-jerk criticism?
Actually, this is one of the better DB fanmangas out there. However, despite this, its also one of the most criticized, receiving constant criticism and negativity.

In fact, there are several other DB fan mangas out there, including several that have their own topic on this forum and that are not clearly superior to DBM at all, which do not receive anywhere near comparable criticism or negativity.

So, no, I see no reason to expect DBM to receive constant knee-jerk criticism. If anything, that negativity and criticism seems to be completely out of proportion and illogical.
I'm starting to think most people who constantly criticize DBM are secretly huge fans but can't admit it for some odd reason. It's like some band wagon where it's uncool to like DBM or say anything positive about it. If they really hated the story as much as they claim then they probably would have stopped reading it years ago. I mean I've lost count how many times I've heard someone say "I've had it with this story!" or "If this happens I'll stop reading DBM!" and then come back anyway forgetting they ever said that. Criticism is helpful to the author but it would be nice if these people would make some suggests on how to improve the story and state what they find good about it from time to time. If you never have anything positive to say about the story then it would be hard to take your criticism seriously because you might just look for something else to complain about if they fixed what you didn't like.

Regarding why DBM gets more criticism than other fan mangas I think it's due to how different DBM is compared to them. I've noticed this thread is one of the most discussed on Kanzenshuu. Not just in the Fan Works section but the entire forum. In the usual DBZ or GT sequel with progressively stronger villains attacking the Earth out of no where the criticism is usually the same. Where did this villain come from and where was he this entire time? How come no one ever sensed him or ran into him before? Isn't he a rip-off of [insert name of former villain]? These stories are so similar that the criticism for them could pretty much apply to every story following the same format.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by coola » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:45 am

Regarding of shield, yes, it was Gast who put shield on kid (You can see it on 3rd panel) but, even if kid himself did it, Babidi was weakling, yet he could cast shield, that even withstand Vegeta suicide explosion attack.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by coola » Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:08 pm

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Cold look like Joker on 3rd panel :) I know i said it couple of times already, but art is really great, my only little nitpick, is that Gast already fought Freeza, and he was about to blew Namek up, he should figure out, that Acrosians are either A. Crazy enough to blew planets, when they are in peril. B. Can breath in space
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:16 pm

Rocketman wrote:
rereboy wrote:Actually, this is one of the better DB fanmangas out there. However, despite this, its also one of the most criticized, receiving constant criticism and negativity.
Most DB fanmangas are AF horseshit and completely unworthy of anyone's time. DBM occasionally shows signs of being something greater.
That's basically what I'm saying. And, despite this, DBM is mostly and constantly commented on with negativity and criticism, while other fan manga are not. Its kind of ridiculous actually.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:37 pm

rereboy wrote:That's basically what I'm saying. And, despite this, DBM is mostly and constantly commented on with negativity and criticism, while other fan manga are not. Its kind of ridiculous actually.
The "problem" is, DBM is more popular, and it gets updated much more often than the other fan mangas do.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by dbgtFO » Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:36 pm

coola wrote: Acrosians
Frost Demons :wink:

I wonder, if Gast will one shot King Cold.

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Post by coola » Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:10 pm

In lots of fanfictions i`ve read, Freeza race is called Acrosian, and that's kinda what i get used to :)
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Post by Marco Polo » Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:51 pm

rereboy wrote:That's basically what I'm saying. And, despite this, DBM is mostly and constantly commented on with negativity and criticism, while other fan manga are not. Its kind of ridiculous actually.
No one reads the other fan manga.

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:32 pm

Marco Polo wrote:
rereboy wrote:That's basically what I'm saying. And, despite this, DBM is mostly and constantly commented on with negativity and criticism, while other fan manga are not. Its kind of ridiculous actually.
No one reads the other fan manga.
I take it you haven't heard of Dragonball New Age?
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