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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:08 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:I haven't seen the DB movies, but Slug wasn't Demon Clan, was he? I thought he was just a big bad Namekian.
His henchmen were definitely Demon Clansmen, but I don't remember about him. I would assume that he is though, since Piccolo Daimao was one because he was evil. It seems that every evil Namekian is a Demon Clansman.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:12 pm

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Kamiccolo9 wrote:I haven't seen the DB movies, but Slug wasn't Demon Clan, was he? I thought he was just a big bad Namekian.
His henchmen were definitely Demon Clansmen, but I don't remember about him. I would assume that he is though, since Piccolo Daimao was one because he was evil. It seems that every evil Namekian is a Demon Clansman.
Daimao was literally made out of pure evil, though. Slug was just, to my knowledge, a bad Namekian.

Where is it said that Slug's henchmen were Demon Clansmen? They're not even Namekian.
Nevermind, just saw that in Herms' Demon Guide.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:24 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:Daimao was literally made out of pure evil, though. Slug was just, to my knowledge, a bad Namekian.
Slug was also pure evil. He was born like Daimao from what we know though.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:25 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Daimao was literally made out of pure evil, though. Slug was just, to my knowledge, a bad Namekian.
Slug was also pure evil. He was born like Daimao from what we know though.
According to what? I don't remember this.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:31 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Daimao was literally made out of pure evil, though. Slug was just, to my knowledge, a bad Namekian.
Slug was also pure evil. He was born like Daimao from what we know though.
According to what? I don't remember this.
At the very least, it was stated in Daizenshuu 6.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:38 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote: At the very least, it was stated in Daizenshuu 6.
In which it said.....? I don't have a copy of the Daizenshuu on me, nor can I read Japanese.
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:57 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:At the very least, it was stated in Daizenshuu 6.
In which it said.....? I don't have a copy of the Daizenshuu on me, nor can I read Japanese.
It says his heart is pure evil, but not that he was created from evil like Piccolo Daimao:
  • Slug
    A Super Namekian with a heart of pure evil. With his youth restored by the dragonballs, he plots to conquer the universe.

    A natural mutant! The evil Namekian
    Slug posses a heart that is 100% evil, a rare thing among Namekians. His strength is incomparable to the likes of Piccolo, who has split with Kami. He escaped from Planet Namek's natural disaster, and was raised on Planet Slug. His power as a Super Namekian exceeds even the super warriors.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:58 pm

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RandomGuy96 wrote:At the very least, it was stated in Daizenshuu 6.
In which it said.....? I don't have a copy of the Daizenshuu on me, nor can I read Japanese.
It says his heart is pure evil, but not that he was created from evil like Piccolo Daimao:
  • Slug
    A Super Namekian with a heart of pure evil. With his youth restored by the dragonballs, he plots to conquer the universe.

    A natural mutant! The evil Namekian
    Slug posses a heart that is 100% evil, a rare thing among Namekians. His strength is incomparable to the likes of Piccolo, who has split with Kami. He escaped from Planet Namek's natural disaster, and was raised on Planet Slug. His power as a Super Namekian exceeds even the super warriors.
Cool. So there's nothing about him being a demon, then, just a really bad Namekian.
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:10 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:Cool. So there's nothing about him being a demon, then, just a really bad Namekian.
Checked Daizenshu #7 too, just in case. Nothing there either:
  • Slug
    Appears in the movie "Super Saiyan Son Goku". He's a Namekian who grew up possessing nothing but a heart of pure evil. He was extremely old, but had his wish to regain his youth granted by the Dragon Balls. He plotted to rule the entire universe, and tried to convert the Earth into his own personal vehicle, the "Planet Cruiser". He blotted out the sunlight in order to make it easier for the Demon Clan to move around. Utilizing the power of evil to its greatest extent, he boasts battle power that could be called that of a Super Namekian. He has the power to make himself gigantic.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:15 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Cool. So there's nothing about him being a demon, then, just a really bad Namekian.
Checked Daizenshu #7 too, just in case. Nothing there either:
  • Slug
    Appears in the movie "Super Saiyan Son Goku". He's a Namekian who grew up possessing nothing but a heart of pure evil. He was extremely old, but had his wish to regain his youth granted by the Dragon Balls. He plotted to rule the entire universe, and tried to convert the Earth into his own personal vehicle, the "Planet Cruiser". He blotted out the sunlight in order to make it easier for the Demon Clan to move around. Utilizing the power of evil to its greatest extent, he boasts battle power that could be called that of a Super Namekian. He has the power to make himself gigantic.
That's about what I figured. Nothing in Herms' Demon Guide mentioned anything about Slug himself being a demon, which would have been an odd thing to leave out, considering that he did bring up his henchmen.
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Post by Doctor. » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:12 am

I really hope we see Piccolo & the humans do something again. I mean, it's Toriyama's work, he could give them massive power boosts, more techniques, Kaioken-like power-ups, and yet he seems to forget he has more characters than Vegeta and Goku. It's unlikely they'll get any action but I would love to see something new.

Goku himself hasn't learned any new techniques or developed any variations to his techniques since the Cell Games.

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Doctor. wrote:I really hope we see Piccolo & the humans do something again. I mean, it's Toriyama's work, he could give them massive power boosts, more techniques, Kaioken-like power-ups, and yet he seems to forget he has more characters than Vegeta and Goku. It's unlikely they'll get any action but I would love to see something new.
I don't think he forgot about anyone it's more like there's no way to make them as strong as someone like Beerus and whoever we get next who will probably be even stronger.

The only way i can see the story move forward in a big way is to leave them and the rest of the Saiyans in the back and keep the focus on Goku&Vegeta
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Post by Doctor. » Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:29 am

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Doctor. wrote:I really hope we see Piccolo & the humans do something again. I mean, it's Toriyama's work, he could give them massive power boosts, more techniques, Kaioken-like power-ups, and yet he seems to forget he has more characters than Vegeta and Goku. It's unlikely they'll get any action but I would love to see something new.
I don't think he forgot about anyone it's more like there's no way to make them as strong as someone like Beerus and whoever we get next who will probably be even stronger.

The only way i can see the story move forward in a big way is to leave them and the rest of the Saiyans in the back and keep the focus on Goku&Vegeta
Where's the rule that every new movie now only has to have one villain? Couldn't the main big bad have multiple minions that the other characters can take care of?

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Post by sintzu » Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:35 am

Doctor. wrote:Where's the rule that every new movie now only has to have one villain? Couldn't the main big bad have multiple minions that the other characters can take care of?
If we get minions they will probably be as strong as a ssj3 which will give Gohan and Gotenks someone to fight but minions as weak as the humans is very unlikely.
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Post by Doctor. » Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:37 am

There is no limitation to the minions. Freeza had a powerlevel of 120 million and Ginyu, his strongest minion, only had 120k, while the Freeza soldiers didn't even have 2k. The minions of the new villains could range from Freeza level up to SSJ3 level, it depends on how Toriyama and Toei wants. Plus, not to mention Piccolo and the humans could get some power boosts through potential unlocks, training and Kaioken-like power-ups.

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Post by sintzu » Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:45 am

Doctor. wrote: It depends on how Toriyama and Toei wants.

Plus, not to mention Piccolo and the humans could get some power boosts through potential unlocks, training and Kaioken-like power-ups.
If BOG was any indication then the only 2 that will get screen time will be Goku&Vegeta.

The only 1 i can see getting a big power boost is piccolo but the humans i don't think can even stay in the room of spirit and time for a whole day let alone get a power boost that will put them at the level of any big threat.
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Post by nhienphan2808 » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:18 am

I feel like this movie would exploit something about Vegeta and Vegetasei's past even more. The one that would be revived can be connected with Vegeta somehow. Jaco and Minus brought up so many questions about everyone. Haven't had any say about Vegeta's role as main, but at least i feel he would be the second main this time.
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Post by Low Tone G » Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:10 am

nhienphan2808 wrote:I feel like this movie would exploit something about Vegeta and Vegetasei's past even more. The one that would be revived can be connected with Vegeta somehow. Jaco and Minus brought up so many questions about everyone. Haven't had any say about Vegeta's role as main, but at least i feel he would be the second main this time.

Yeah, maybe the new film has some connection with the Jaco story. I'd really expect that, so maybe it has something with the Galactic Lord, or something.
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Post by sintzu » Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:20 am

Low Tone G wrote:aybe the new film has some connection with the Jaco story. I'd really expect that, so maybe it has something with the Galactic Lord, or something.
If it does then hopefully the manga will get animated
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:39 am

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Hellspawn28 wrote:I still hope for another demonic villain. Our only demon villains we have Dabra and Janemba. I hardly counts Akkuman as a villain.
Daimao and his clan? Garlic Jr.?
I assume he meant something that's...for lack of a better way to describe it, actually a demon in origin, rather than Dragon Ball's somewhat odd description of it almost being more of a 'state', or whatever. Daimao has origins in Kami, who is Namekian, not a demon; and the Garlic Jr. filler arc seems to raise the question of if they're not aliens as well, given the Makyo Star debacle. That's just me guessing though.
Pretty much this. Janemba was our last demon villain we had. I totally forgot about Garlic Jr though.
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