Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[rereboy]

The "problem" is, DBM is more popular, and it gets updated much more often than the other fan mangas do.

That's a logical contradiction, which is pretty much what I'm talking about. Its one of the most popular fan mangas, its one of the better fan mangas, it even gets updated much more often which is positive, and it gets mostly criticism and negativity for it, unlike the others. Its precisely the opposite of what it should be. As the semi-popular saying goes, "that's why we can't have nice things".

[Skar]

Actually, this is one of the better DB fanmangas out there. However, despite this, its also one of the most criticized, receiving constant criticism and negativity.

Most DB fanmangas are AF horseshit and completely unworthy of anyone's time. DBM occasionally shows signs of being something greater.

I'm working on my own sequel fan manga. It will involve a lot of tracing of course. It's completely original and as far as I can tell these ideas have never been used before in Dragonball or any other fanfic/manga. Here's a general outline:

-Davey Jonas Saga
It turns out Bojack was merely the first matey of his pirate crew! The real Captain is none other than legendary pirate Davey Jonas! He was freed the same time as Bojack but for some reason just hung around space until he felt like attacking Earth many decades later. He's at least SSJ4 tier. We learn in the Buu saga that SSJ3 tier energy can be sensed all the way from Other World so the explanation was that he was simply suppressed this entire time. He also has a impeccable singing voices that allows him to lull his enemies into a false sense of security.

-Evil Wizard Saga
Bibidi's grandson attacks the Earth and possesses the Z fighters specifically Vegeta. His goal is to gather the Dragonballs and wish for Uub to be un-reincarnated back into Kid Buu.

-Frosti Saga
King Cold's third son finally comes to Earth for revenge. After the death of his family members Frosti decided to train until he was at least 1 million times stronger than Frieza. He unlocked a 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th form. Like Davey Jonas he was suppressed the entire time so no one could sense him.

-Shinjin Tree of Might Saga
Turles sneaks out of Hell and sneaks onto the sacred Kaioshin planet where he crossbreeds the Tree of Might with the Shinjin tree. He destroys all the Kai and Kaioshin fruits leaving only the Makaioshin and they all believe he's their father since he's also eaten from the Tree of Might.

-Brocco Saga
Broly, the legendary Super Saiyan, actually had a twin brother! Unlike his brother who was a mindless berserker in LSSJ Brocco masters the LSSJ form. Similar to every other evil Saiyan he has some beef with either Goku or Vegeta and goes to Earth for revenge. It took him a while to find it which is why he attacked so many years after his brother was killed. Of course he could have sensed the detectable-all-the-way-from-Other World energy being emitted from Earth during the Buu saga but he wasn't paying attention.

-Super Mega #17 Saga
Dr. Gero, Myuu, Raichi, Wheelo, the guy from Bio-Broly work together to develop yet another evil version of #17 (this time eviler) using the all the resources Hell has to offer which I guess is just blood and rocks. This new evil #17 fuses with Hell Fighter 17 and the original #17 and reopens the gates of hell for the third time in the series.

-Cellul'ar Saga
Gero's computer was secretly gathering the DNA of many warriors in case the original Cell failed to fufill his mission. He's composed of the DNA of Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Nappa, Raditz, Turles, Piccolo, Frieza, King Cold, Bojack, Dabura, Yakon, Buu, Hirudegarn, Baby, and Omega Shenron.

New Plot Devices
-The Z Saiyans unlock a few new transformations including SSJ5, 6, and 7.
-Goku trains to use Kaioken with SSJ4 and calls it Kaio-Saiyan x4.
-They develop the Fusion Dance to have a three and four-person fusion!
-They find a secret key for the Hyperbolic Time Chamber allowing them to train in there for years without any consequences.
-Piccolo travels to New Namek and fuses with a few more of his brethern.
-Dr. Briefs upgrades the gravity chamber to withstand 1,000,000x Earth's gravity.

N.A.Q. (Never Asked Questions)

Q: If Buu was the only SSJ3 level threat in over 5 million years then how are all these +SSJ3 tier villains showing up one after another in quick succession?
A: MOAR DRAGONBALL!!!

Q: Isn't that villain a rip-off of [insert name of previous villain]?
A: No he has some very minor differences therefore not 100% copy-paste.

Q: How the ***** is this considered better than DBM by some people?
A: DBM is attempting something different. LOL who wants that! Wouldn't you rather see this basic formula repeated over and over and over again in 99% of every Dragonball sequel you've ever read?

Q: What happened to Future Trunks?
A: Well since all this threats apparently exist in the main timeline it's safe to assume some of them exist in his timeline as well. While most other sequel fics fail to account for this I shall include a special showing Trunks encountering one of these threats and being killed because he's obviously too weak.

[dario03]

Acrosians

Frost Demons

I wonder, if Gast will one shot King Cold.

I'm leaning toward no.
He looks like he might actually be hurt.
Gast might not be any where near as powerful as he is at the tourney.
The cover page doesn't really show anybody else and we're only about half way through (unless this is a really short special)

[Pantalones]

He's definitely got some damage to his clothes, and he's clutching his arm and standing in a different position now than he was when he first braced himself for the blast... so yeah, I'd say that blast actually did some damage, albeit probably nothing serious (and definitely not enough to save Cold from getting stomped.)

I'm kind of expecting something sorta-similar to Goku vs. Freeza this time, with Gast being clearly superior but not by so much, so Cold still puts up a fight until 100% form's draining effect starts to catch up to him. I doubt it'll be another one-hit-kill though, assuming Gast isn't still holding back some higher level of suppressed power or something.

[Dbzfan94]

Actually, this is one of the better DB fanmangas out there. However, despite this, its also one of the most criticized, receiving constant criticism and negativity.

Most DB fanmangas are AF horseshit and completely unworthy of anyone's time. DBM occasionally shows signs of being something greater.

I'm working on my own sequel fan manga. It will involve a lot of tracing of course. It's completely original and as far as I can tell these ideas have never been used before in Dragonball or any other fanfic/manga. Here's a general outline:

-Davey Jonas Saga
It turns out Bojack was merely the first matey of his pirate crew! The real Captain is none other than legendary pirate Davey Jonas! He was freed the same time as Bojack but for some reason just hung around space until he felt like attacking Earth many decades later. He's at least SSJ4 tier. We learn in the Buu saga that SSJ3 tier energy can be sensed all the way from Other World so the explanation was that he was simply suppressed this entire time. He also has a impeccable singing voices that allows him to lull his enemies into a false sense of security.

-Evil Wizard Saga
Bibidi's grandson attacks the Earth and possesses the Z fighters specifically Vegeta. His goal is to gather the Dragonballs and wish for Uub to be un-reincarnated back into Kid Buu.

-Frosti Saga
King Cold's third son finally comes to Earth for revenge. After the death of his family members Frosti decided to train until he was at least 1 million times stronger than Freeza. He unlocked a 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th form. Like Davey Jonas he was suppressed the entire time so no one could sense him.

-Shinjin Tree of Might Saga
Tullece sneaks out of Hell and sneaks onto the sacred Kaioshin planet where he crossbreeds the Tree of Might with the Shinjin tree. He destroys all the Kai and Kaioshin fruits leaving only the Makaioshin and they all believe he's their father since he's also eaten from the Tree of Might.

-Brocco Saga
Broly, the legendary Super Saiyan, actually had a twin brother! Unlike his brother who was a mindless berserker in LSSJ Brocco masters the LSSJ form. Similar to every other evil Saiyan he has some beef with either Goku or Vegeta and goes to Earth for revenge. It took him a while to find it which is why he attacked so many years after his brother was killed. Of course he could have sensed the detectable-all-the-way-from-Other World energy being emitted from Earth during the Buu saga but he wasn't paying attention.

-Super Mega #17 Saga
Dr. Gero, Myuu, Raichi, Wheelo, the guy from Bio-Broly work together to develop yet another evil version of #17 (this time eviler) using the all the resources Hell has to offer which I guess is just blood and rocks. This new evil #17 fuses with Hell Fighter 17 and the original #17 and reopens the gates of hell for the third time in the series.

-Cellul'ar Saga
Gero's computer was secretly gathering the DNA of many warriors in case the original Cell failed to fufill his mission. He's composed of the DNA of Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Nappa, Raditz, Tullece, Piccolo, Freeza, King Cold, Bojack, Dabura, Yakon, Buu, Hirudegarn, Baby, and Omega Shenron.

New Plot Devices
-The Z Saiyans unlock a few new transformations including SSJ5, 6, and 7.
-Goku trains to use Kaioken with SSJ4 and calls it Kaio-Saiyan x4.
-They develop the Fusion Dance to have a three and four-person fusion!
-They find a secret key for the Hyperbolic Time Chamber allowing them to train in there for years without any consequences.
-Piccolo travels to New Namek and fuses with a few more of his brethern.
-Dr. Briefs upgrades the gravity chamber to withstand 1,000,000x Earth's gravity.

N.A.Q. (Never Asked Questios)

Q: If Buu was the only SSJ3 level threat in over 5 million years then how are all these +SSJ3 tier villains showing up one after another in quick succession?
A: MOAR DRAGONBALL!!!

Q: Isn't that villain a rip-off of [insert name of previous villain]?
A: No he has some very minor differences therefore not 100% copy-paste.

Q: How the ***** is this considered better than DBM by some people?
A: DBM is attempting something different. LOL who wants that! Wouldn't you rather see this basic formula repeated over and over and over again in 99% of every Dragonball sequel you've ever read?

Q: What happened to Future Trunks?
A: Well since all this threats apparently exist in the main timeline it's safe to assume some of them exist in his timeline as well. While most other sequel fics fail to account for this I shall include a special showing Trunks encountering one of these threats and being killed because he's obviously too weak.

I thought you were actually serious at first.

[Kamiccolo9]

-Davey Jonas Saga
It turns out Bojack was merely the first matey of his pirate crew! The real Captain is none other than legendary pirate Davey Jonas! He was freed the same time as Bojack but for some reason just hung around space until he felt like attacking Earth many decades later. He's at least SSJ4 tier. We learn in the Buu saga that SSJ3 tier energy can be sensed all the way from Other World so the explanation was that he was simply suppressed this entire time. He also has a impeccable singing voices that allows him to lull his enemies into a false sense of security.

I actually kinda like this one

[coola]

[Fulicer]

As always, Gast doesn't waste time posturing like certain other Dragon Ball characters. He goes for the kill. But I doubt it's over yet.

[Rocketman]

Are we in a butcher's shop? Cause that's a loooot of beef.

[RandomGuy96]

So Cold managed to inflict decent damage on Gast with a powerful blast and survive a couple of hits, despite not being at 100%. I suppose Gast must have done a lot of training to go from this weak to strong enough to defeat Dabra and, in the tournament, a Cell Jr said to be as strong as Perfect Cell at full power.

Also this art is still fucking awesome. I'm almost sad that we'll be getting back to normal Toriyama-esque art soon.

[Skar]

I thought you were actually serious at first.

About as serious as any writer who uses this format and acts like it's original .

[Doctor.]

I thought you were actually serious at first.

About as serious as any writer who uses this format and acts like it's original .

Oohhhh, harsh!

While I do admit when I was much much younger I did do a Chibi Buu returns with a stupid motive nobody bothered to question and now he's inexplicably SSJ20 tier type of fanfic (and now my masterpiece is lost somewhere in my hard drive), nowadays I still find those concepts somewhat amusing to read, especially if they're short stories. I do acknowledge the concepts are not original and very laughable, of course.

Regarding DBM, the only and the best Dragon Ball fan manga I'm currently reading. I think, though, some of the universes were a bit useless and I do find the Broly thing quite a bit nonsensical even if they did explain he's different from the original one. Regardless though, I think universe 2 could have been explored a bit (maybe characters from Chrono Trigger fighting?) and I would have loved to see a universe where Gohan had continued to train.

Wondering if it's possible that Super Saiyajin God might make an appearance. Even though the writers obviously did not have it in mind when they started.

[Saiga]

That's a logical contradiction, which is pretty much what I'm talking about. Its one of the most popular fan mangas, its one of the better fan mangas, it even gets updated much more often which is positive, and it gets mostly criticism and negativity for it, unlike the others. Its precisely the opposite of what it should be. As the semi-popular saying goes, "that's why we can't have nice things".

That's not a contradiction. What DBZGTKOSDH is saying is that because DBM is more popular and updates more frequently, it attracts more attention. And that includes negative attention.

For the other mangas, as Rocketman said, they're mostly AF-esque works, and also mostly horseshit. Which means that not only do they receive very little attention, but most people avoid them completely.

And I think that's the single biggest difference.

AF-esque works are unappealing to a lot of fans, especially around these parts, so the people who wouldn't like them generally don't check them out to begin with. You can clearly identify an AF-esque work before you've read it, and so most of the people who end up paying any attention to it are those who would like it.

It is one of the better fanmanga, but once again as Rocketman said, most of what it's being compared to is junk. It's really faint praise.

[testing223]

Still great artwork!

[Fionordequester]

Still, I will say one thing. I actually have some criticisms about this special myself...but then I realize that there's so much negative criticism that's happened in this thread already, that I'm afraid to say anything but good things about the comic. Because I'm worried if I DO voice my complaints, it's just going to open the flood gates to a whole nother wave of criticism that I believe is unfair and blown out of proportion.

I'm really not trying to insult the dudes who make that sort of criticism, but, I'm just saying, to me, if you go overboard with criticism, it reduces my ability to really TALK about this comic, you know? Because now I only want to emphasize the good rather than both the good AND the bad.

[Skar]

While I do admit when I was much much younger I did do a Chibi Buu returns with a stupid motive nobody bothered to question and now he's inexplicably SSJ20 tier type of fanfic (and now my masterpiece is lost somewhere in my hard drive), nowadays I still find those concepts somewhat amusing to read, especially if they're short stories. I do acknowledge the concepts are not original and very laughable, of course.

I'm guilty of writing a few AF-style stories myself . I was 13 or 14 when I watched the last episode of GT. I remember wanting more Dragonball so I thought it would be clever to write my own sequel with some implausibly powerful villains coming out of the woodwork. I shared it with some of my friends and they told me how it reminded them of a few stories they read online. They introduced me to fanfic.net and I learned how unoriginal mine was. It was merely another drop in the vast AF ocean. I have nothing against people who enjoy those types of stories but since I've read so many at this point I only enjoy alternate universes like DBM, Scarz DB Wasteland, Universe F, the one with Vegeta being sent to Earth instead of Goku, etc. I do still enjoy an AF story from time to time since they sometimes end up being unintentional parodies. Of course I'm not saying all of them are bad just that I've never encountered one that I found very engaging and that I was excited for the next page.

Regarding DBM, the only and the best Dragon Ball fan manga I'm currently reading. I think, though, some of the universes were a bit useless and I do find the Broly thing quite a bit nonsensical even if they did explain he's different from the original one. Regardless though, I think universe 2 could have been explored a bit (maybe characters from Chrono Trigger fighting?) and I would have loved to see a universe where Gohan had continued to train.

DBM isn't perfect and I would have also swapped some of the universes for others I would rather see. It is a big project so every fan is bound to have some complaints. I'm glad there was more thought put in than another AF sequel. Would all the people who constantly complain about DBM enjoy it more if it was another AF? Probably not. I honestly doubt this thread would have ever reached 100 pages if it was. I mean it probably would have been over by now and there wouldn't have been as much going on to discuss. Different people have different tastes so if they don't like the idea of it attempting something different then it's probably not the story for them.

Wondering if it's possible that Super Saiyajin God might make an appearance. Even though the writers obviously did not have it in mind when they started.

Yeah it did come out a few years after DBM had already began. In all the universes where a villain defeats the Z Fighters, Beerus would eventually wake up, and defeat them so he'd end up being the strongest contestant in most of the participating universes. From my understanding Salagir already has most of the story planned out so it would require an entire rewrite to incorporate Battle of Gods. Once this new movie comes out it would require yet another rewrite. I understand why some fanfics just stick with their own personal canon since it would be difficult to keep trying to incorporate all the new material that gets released.

[coola]

[rereboy]

That's not a contradiction. What DBZGTKOSDH is saying is that because DBM is more popular and updates more frequently, it attracts more attention. And that includes negative attention.

Not at all, because it doesn't seem to attract much positive attention, just negative attention, despite being one of the best fan mangas. That's why its a logical contradiction, because its one one of the best and on the most popular and yet it gets the worst comments with hardly any good or fair comments. Anyone thinking logically and fairly would consider all this and wouldn't resort to the type of comments DB constantly gets.

For the other mangas, as Rocketman said, they're mostly AF-esque works, and also mostly horseshit. Which means that not only do they receive very little attention, but most people avoid them completely.

And I think that's the single biggest difference.

AF-esque works are unappealing to a lot of fans, especially around these parts, so the people who wouldn't like them generally don't check them out to begin with. You can clearly identify an AF-esque work before you've read it, and so most of the people who end up paying any attention to it are those who would like it.

It is one of the better fanmanga, but once again as Rocketman said, most of what it's being compared to is junk. It's really faint praise.

That doesn't explain why and how its logical for those small fan mangas to receive way less negative comments and much more positive comments (proportionately) than DBM. At all. You know why? Because its not logical, its a logical contradiction for those fan mangas to receive mostly praise and DBM mostly negative comments, no matter how much attention either of them have or how popular they are, considering that they are not better than DBM.

And that's not all. Anyone logical and fair would recognize DBM as one of the best DB fan mangas out there and acknowledge its overall quality considering its a fan-made comic and not a professional work. Are most people actually logical and do this? Not really, most just comment what they don't like about it, often exaggerating and often reviewing it like its a professional and paid work and not a fan manga (forgetting that its incomparable to a professional work), and give nothing more than negativity and pessimism towards the fan manga.

So, no matter how we look at it, most really aren't very logical in their comments.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So what you are saying is that whoever disagrees with you is illogical?

[rereboy]

So what you are saying is that whoever disagrees with you is illogical?

No, I'm saying that its illogical for one of the best DB fan mangas to receive, proportionality, much more negative comments than other DB fan mangas that are not better than DBM, and that being more popular doesn't make this difference in treatment logical since the increase in attention doesn't logically justify this proportion.

And I'm also saying that someone thinking logically and fairly wouldn't just resort to negative and pessimistic comments since that person would notice that DBM is one of best DB fan mangas out there and that, as a fan-made work, its not really comparable to professional work, and thus that person would be compelled to make his comments also reflect this and not just a negative stance.

Of course you can disagree with DBM being one of the best DB fan mangas overall out there since that's a matter of opinion but I honestly think that most people would not disagree with that if they answered truthfully, hence why its DBM's treatment is not very logical.

And, obviously, you can also just miss my point entirely instead of understanding it and make it sound like I'm saying that "anyone who disagrees with me is illogical"...