How much can Goku lift?

[Bullza]

I never said the number made sense but that's the number that was given.

Krillin trained with a 40kg shell as a kid then grew stronger by the time he was a teenager but couldn't believe the weight of Goku's boots which weighed 18kg each and said he was amazed Goku could even move with them on.

[Mr.Judge]

I never said the number made sense but that's the number that was given.

Krillin trained with a 40kg shell as a kid then grew stronger by the time he was a teenager but couldn't believe the weight of Goku's boots which weighed 18kg each and said he was amazed Goku could even move with them on.

Those are the number presented by Akira Toriyama, but the feats prove otherwise. this discussion is had on the Physics of DB thread which concluded that Akira Toriyama knowledge about weights is definitely not upto par with western comics writer.

[Saiyan007]

as if lifting matters in a fight lmao

Just ask the flash :^)

[dario03]

I don't think Goku actually lifts all that much. At least compared to his destructive power.
I also don't think they have physical attacks any where near as powerful as their energy blasts. People say that their punches are capable of destroying planets but I don't think so, up until BOG they never really did that (and I think the planet is just different since its in another dimension). I think they are like mages in a D&D style game, where they can do more damage with energy attacks and also withstand more from energy attacks.

I never said the number made sense but that's the number that was given.

Krillin trained with a 40kg shell as a kid then grew stronger by the time he was a teenager but couldn't believe the weight of Goku's boots which weighed 18kg each and said he was amazed Goku could even move with them on.

Those are the number presented by Akira Toriyama, but the feats prove otherwise. this discussion is had on the Physics of DB thread which concluded that Akira Toriyama knowledge about weights is definitely not upto par with western comics writer.

Who says western writers know or care about weights and physics? Sure they throw a bunch of physic sounding stuff in at times but a lot of times it doesn't make sense or isn't consistent either. Like my favorite example of them saying the flash evacuated a city by moving just under the speed of light. But doing what they described, he would have to have been doing well over ~8,000,000,000,000x the speed of light.

[Tsufuru]

Lmao.

Goku in dragonball had better feats.

Heck even tao's feat is better.
Also you guys need to understand that goku hurts ppl with planet level durability on a daily basis physicaly.

Dbz is not a comic you dont need feats to see how strong some1 is.
Example: frieza survived a planet explosion while low on ki and cut in half yet teen gohan casualy destroys the cell jr. Physicaly which are so much above frieza its not even funny.

Potency matters more.

[Rocketman]

Dbz is not a comic

Shut down the forums, we have a winner.

[Tsufuru]

Dbz is not a comic

Shut down the forums, we have a winner.

Lol what i meant was dbz is not a comic book like superman and other chars in comic books where they throw feats at you with all that explainations , narrator and shit-_-

[dbgtFO]

Lol what i meant was dbz is not a comic book like superman and other chars in comic books where they throw feats at you with all that explainations , narrator and shit-_-

That kind of story telling really is annoying and a contributing factor to why I didn't get on board with Superman comics. Of course it maks it harder to define Dragon Ball characters' strength, when their feats aren't explicitly spelled out for you like in those comics.

[Tsufuru]

Lol what i meant was dbz is not a comic book like superman and other chars in comic books where they throw feats at you with all that explainations , narrator and shit-_-

That kind of story telling really is annoying and a contributing factor to why I didn't get on board with Superman comics. Of course it maks it harder to define Dragon Ball characters' strength, when their feats aren't explicitly spelled out for you like in those comics.

For me its not realy hard to scale dbz chars power.

[xmysticgohanx]

The 40 tons feat is stupid lol. No vs forum has been taking it seriously for a long time now. Goku has a much much much better feat in the same Arc when he threw a katchin cube which was a decent percentage of Goku's height, denser than Osmium, Goku was in base, Goku only used one hand, and it was thrown at, at least hypersonic speeds. Btw lifting strength doesn't matter in fights anyway especially since DBZ has amazing striking power feats.

[Rocketman]

"This part of the original work doesn't fit my masturbatory NUMBERS HNNNNGH list so i'm gonna ignore it".

"Excuse me while i write 50,000 words about the numbers i invented whole cloth from analyzing one line in one panel proving goku is superdupersonic at age 3"

[rereboy]

"This part of the original work doesn't fit my masturbatory NUMBERS HNNNNGH list so i'm gonna ignore it".

"Excuse me while i write 50,000 words about the numbers i invented whole cloth from analyzing one line in one panel proving goku is superdupersonic at age 3"

When two things contradict each other, we either disregard both of them or just one of them. This is the case with the 40 tons example since its easily contradicted by a lot of things in the show and thus easily disregarded.

[The Monkey King]

"This part of the original work doesn't fit my masturbatory NUMBERS HNNNNGH list so i'm gonna ignore it".

"Excuse me while i write 50,000 words about the numbers i invented whole cloth from analyzing one line in one panel proving goku is superdupersonic at age 3"

Coming from the guy who regularly argues that the DB moon is tiny and super close to the DB Earth when Toriyama himself has directly stated that that is not the case.

[Rocketman]

Coming from the guy who regularly argues that the DB moon is tiny and super close to the DB Earth when Toriyama himself has directly stated that that is not the case.

When two things contradict each other, we either disregard both of them or just one of them. This is the case with the Toriyama-given lunar distance since it's easily contradicted by a lot of things in the show and thus easily disregarded.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

"This part of the original work doesn't fit my masturbatory NUMBERS HNNNNGH list so i'm gonna ignore it".

"Excuse me while i write 50,000 words about the numbers i invented whole cloth from analyzing one line in one panel proving goku is superdupersonic at age 3"

When two things contradict each other, we either disregard both of them or just one of them. This is the case with the 40 tons example since its easily contradicted by a lot of things in the show and thus easily disregarded.

The 40 tons example is already explained in the SEG's is it not? That Goku was struggling with it because of his ki reserve from flying.

[rereboy]

When two things contradict each other, we either disregard both of them or just one of them. This is the case with the Toriyama-given lunar distance since it's easily contradicted by a lot of things in the show and thus easily disregarded.

If you agree with what I stated, then you are basically saying that some of your past posts, namely your last, don't have much ground to stand on.

[xmysticgohanx]

"This part of the original work doesn't fit my masturbatory NUMBERS HNNNNGH list so i'm gonna ignore it".

"Excuse me while i write 50,000 words about the numbers i invented whole cloth from analyzing one line in one panel proving goku is superdupersonic at age 3"

Nice ad hominem bruh lol, like the people above me said 40 tons is crazy inconsistent.

[Hitiro]

When two things contradict each other, we either disregard both of them or just one of them. This is the case with the Toriyama-given lunar distance since it's easily contradicted by a lot of things in the show and thus easily disregarded.

What "things" in the show disregard Toriyama's statement on lunar distance? The only thing that does that I'm aware of is the art. But you can't say that it contradicts his statement because it is all artistic vision. I mean Kuririn's head is giant if you look at it and his neck is a twig. Much more than a human's head should be, I think. Nobody complains about that though because that is just the artistic style. Just because he doesn't draw it very accurately doesn't make it an adamant contradiction. Now if in the manga or the anime there were lines stating a different lunar distance then I would agree with you. But I don't recall it every being explicitly stated how far away the moon is. I don't get where there are "a lot" of things that contradict his lunar distance statement.

Going to the main point. People keep saying it is inconsistent because Goku has lifted more than 40 tons before. I keep with the fact that Heaven has more gravity than Earth. Purely because Heaven is a world which should be able to contain all the possible souls from the living realm(If there were ever the case that life were to be wiped out from the living realm). A bigger planet with a similar density to Earth's is going to have a larger pull. And for those who say that it can't be because the souls wouldn't be able to live there. They are souls. They weigh nothing. 0 kg x 10 is still 0 kg. The only people who would be under the effects of the gravity would be people who keep their bodies, like Goku. And the Kaio's. It's also been established that the martial artists would have to have achieved a great deal to be permitted such a opportunity. So it is more than likely that all of the martial artists there have trained to the point that they can withstand at least the gravity on the Kaio's planet.

Furthermore, if nobody likes this opinion then that is there own decision. It's up to you to decide on what sounds right. But my opinion isn't the only possible reason why Goku is struggling with 40 tons. As has been pointed out and has been said in the SEG, Goku was struggling because he was attempting to fly while training with the wait which put a greater strain on him. That is another plausible option. Don't see why anyone should be complaining about this 40 tons when there a multiple conclusions we can make of it as to why.

[Mr.Judge]

I don't think Goku actually lifts all that much. At least compared to his destructive power.
I also don't think they have physical attacks any where near as powerful as their energy blasts. People say that their punches are capable of destroying planets but I don't think so, up until BOG they never really did that (and I think the planet is just different since its in another dimension). I think they are like mages in a D&D style game, where they can do more damage with energy attacks and also withstand more from energy attacks.

I never said the number made sense but that's the number that was given.

Krillin trained with a 40kg shell as a kid then grew stronger by the time he was a teenager but couldn't believe the weight of Goku's boots which weighed 18kg each and said he was amazed Goku could even move with them on.

Those are the number presented by Akira Toriyama, but the feats prove otherwise. this discussion is had on the Physics of DB thread which concluded that Akira Toriyama knowledge about weights is definitely not upto par with western comics writer.

Who says western writers know or care about weights and physics? Sure they throw a bunch of physic sounding stuff in at times but a lot of times it doesn't make sense or isn't consistent either. Like my favorite example of them saying the flash evacuated a city by moving just under the speed of light. But doing what they described, he would have to have been doing well over ~8,000,000,000,000x the speed of light.

Relative knowledge compared to Akira Toriyama.

[dbgtFO]

I keep with the fact that Heaven has more gravity than Earth.[...]Furthermore, if nobody likes this opinion then that is there own decision.

Everyone can have their own opinion, however you are stating Heaven has more gravity than Earth as a fact, which isn't true.

Besides it doesn't make sense. The weights were stated to be 40 tons in total. If Heaven had for example 10x the gravity of Earth, then the weights would weigh only 4 tons on Earth, which would make Goku even weaker rather than stronger.