How much can Goku lift?

[Hitiro]

Everyone can have their own opinion, however you are stating Heaven has more gravity than Earth as a fact, which isn't true.

Besides it doesn't make sense. The weights were stated to be 40 tons in total. If Heaven had for example 10x the gravity of Earth, then the weights would weigh only 4 tons on Earth, which would make Goku even weaker rather than stronger.

That isn't how it works though... 40 tons is 40 tons disregarding any gravitational effects. The gravity is just a side effect. Tons is one of the measurements in regard to mass. And mass doesn't change no matter what planet you go to. Yes, 40 tons is going to be 400 tons on a different planet. But the weight is still standardized, you don't change the value because you're under different gravitational effects. An astronaut doesn't go to a planet wearing 20 kilograms(another measurement of mass) and start calling it 200 kilograms just because the gravity has changed. If you wanted to accurately define your weight on a different planet you would use Newtons as it is a measurement of force, not mass.

[dbgtFO]

The difference between mass and weight, huh. I goofed on that one.
Still, if it did have a higher weight, than it would have on Earth, it's pretty silly, that South Kaio didn't point out how, this would be an even more impressive feat.
It will stay as a mere assumption.

[Tyro]

Where supplementary guide implies that giant Piccolo weighs 116 tons?

[Hitiro]

The difference between mass and weight, huh. I goofed on that one.
Still, if it did have a higher weight, than it would have on Earth, it's pretty silly, that South Kaio didn't point out how, this would be an even more impressive feat.
It will stay as a mere assumption.

Of course it is only my opinion. But it is still a possibility. My point was, ignoring my opinion, that there are a few ways in which we can perceive the 40 tons as an impressive feat. I follow the opinion that Heaven has much more gravity than Earth because it is a much larger planet capable of housing a good portion of the living realm. The guide books kind of support this as Heaven is drawn as a massive world. Or you could be of the opinion that the 40 tons is an impressive feat because Goku was flying while wearing it and it is more difficult to lift that weight while flying. Like the SEG suggests. I never said my opinion must be a fact. I just don't get why people need to harp on Goku lifting that weight when there could be any number of possible explanations as to why he'd struggle with it.

[Tsufuru]

Where supplementary guide implies that giant Piccolo weighs 116 tons?

Super Exciting Guide wrote:

Piccolo:
Height: 226 cm
Weight: 116 kg

Daizenshuu wrote:
Piccolo enlarges his body to over ten times its normal size.

Giant Piccolo - 10X his normal size
Super Giant Piccolo - >10X his normal size

According to the square cube law, Piccolo’s weight would grown in 3 dimensions.

So 116kg x10 x10 x10 = 116,000kg (116 tons)

[dbgtFO]

I never said my opinion must be a fact.

Well in your reply to Rocketman on the previous page, you wrote: "I keep with the fact that Heaven has more gravity than Earth."
That's why I pointed it out to you on the previous page.

[Rocketman]

If you agree with what I stated, then you are basically saying that some of your past posts, namely your last, don't have much ground to stand on.

Mine are done to mock the over-analytical POWUH LEBELS crowd. If my posts barely stand up, theirs completely collapse.

[xmysticgohanx]

Actually, I just remembered the best strength feat: Tao pai pai can lift ~1,000,000 tons. Yup 1 million. He threw a 1 ton (or 1/2 don't remember but it doesn't matter because i didn't calc this) pillar 2300 km at mach 20.77 speeds. The pillar weight was done by pixel scaling the pillar's size in the manga and comparing it to Tao's height, then figuring out how much marble would weigh with that size. Sounds crazy but considering the feat also calcs at about 5 tonnes of tnt which is building destroying level and SSJ2 tier fighters have planet busting punches, it makes sense.

[KentalSSJ6]

As much as the plot demands.

[Kamiccolo9]

He threw a 1 ton (or 1/2 don't remember but it doesn't matter because i didn't calc this) pillar 2300 km at mach 20.77 speeds. The pillar weight was done by pixel scaling the pillar's size in the manga and comparing it to Tao's height, then figuring out how much marble would weigh with that size.

This is completely ridiculous, and I cannot believe that anyone capable of rational thought honestly thinks that Toriyama gave two-thirds of a pair of shits about making sure that stuff like this was consistent with real life.

As much as the plot demands.

That would be the sensible answer. But we can't just do that. We have to pull calculations out of our asses that would probably disturb Toriyama on some level if he ever learned how much time was spent on these things.

Spoiler:

I mean, look at this guy! He's not even straining to lift that boulder, and he's only using one hand! And it's made of granite because reasons so it weighs at least 5 tons. Multiply that by the amount of pressure that gravity is forcing down on him, and it's obvious that he's capable of punching through planets because power scaling and rage boost X39 brought about by exposure to excessive dynamite.

[rereboy]

If you agree with what I stated, then you are basically saying that some of your past posts, namely your last, don't have much ground to stand on.

Mine are done to mock the over-analytical POWUH LEBELS crowd. If my posts barely stand up, theirs completely collapse.

Actually, no, because your "satire" forgets basic stuff like what I pointed out. You forget the reason for why some things are discarded in these discussions and then try to point out an apparent general inconsistency in these discussions originated from that disregard.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The way I see it, Goku as a kid could lift a car & smash a big rock with his bare hands, and by the Boo arc, he could barely lift 10 tons on each limb while flying. Taopaipai just threw a pillar. Kame-sennin & Piccolo just destroyed the moon. I don't care about how much all these things weight, or what side-effects the moon's destruction should have, because fuck science when it comes to fiction.

[Kamiccolo9]

The way I see it, Goku as a kid could lift a car & smash a big rock with his bare hands, and by the Boo arc, he could barely lift 10 tons on each limb while flying. Taopaipai just threw a pillar. Kame-sennin & Piccolo just destroyed the moon. I don't care about how much all these things weight, or what side-effects the moon's destruction should have, because fuck science when it comes to fiction.

And we have a winner!

[KentalSSJ6]

Spoiler:

I mean, look at this guy! He's not even straining to lift that boulder, and he's only using one hand! And it's made of granite because reasons so it weighs at least 5 tons. Multiply that by the amount of pressure that gravity is forcing down on him, and it's obvious that he's capable of punching through planets because power scaling and rage boost X39 brought about by exposure to excessive dynamite.

Wile E Coyote: Confirmed Saiyan.

[Tyro]

Where supplementary guide implies that giant Piccolo weighs 116 tons?

Super Exciting Guide wrote:

Piccolo:
Height: 226 cm
Weight: 116 kg

Daizenshuu wrote:
Piccolo enlarges his body to over ten times its normal size.

Giant Piccolo - 10X his normal size
Super Giant Piccolo - >10X his normal size

According to the square cube law, Piccolo’s weight would grown in 3 dimensions.

So 116kg x10 x10 x10 = 116,000kg (116 tons)

I'm no mathematician, but I'm pretty sure 116,000 kg = 255,736.2241 lbs = 127.868 tons ~ 128 tons.

[Kamiccolo9]

Where supplementary guide implies that giant Piccolo weighs 116 tons?

Super Exciting Guide wrote:

Piccolo:
Height: 226 cm
Weight: 116 kg

Daizenshuu wrote:
Piccolo enlarges his body to over ten times its normal size.

Giant Piccolo - 10X his normal size
Super Giant Piccolo - >10X his normal size

According to the square cube law, Piccolo’s weight would grown in 3 dimensions.

So 116kg x10 x10 x10 = 116,000kg (116 tons)

I'm no mathematician, but I'm pretty sure 116,000 kg = 255,736.2241 lbs = 127.868 tons ~ 128 tons.

I think it would be hilarious if Toriyama came out of nowhere in an interview, and said that Piccolo's weight didn't increase, and he was more or less a giant Piccolo-shaped balloon.

[Tsufuru]

He threw a 1 ton (or 1/2 don't remember but it doesn't matter because i didn't calc this) pillar 2300 km at mach 20.77 speeds. The pillar weight was done by pixel scaling the pillar's size in the manga and comparing it to Tao's height, then figuring out how much marble would weigh with that size.

This is completely ridiculous, and I cannot believe that anyone capable of rational thought honestly thinks that Toriyama gave two-thirds of a pair of shits about making sure that stuff like this was consistent with real life.

As much as the plot demands.

That would be the sensible answer. But we can't just do that. We have to pull calculations out of our asses that would probably disturb Toriyama on some level if he ever learned how much time was spent on these things.

Spoiler:

I mean, look at this guy! He's not even straining to lift that boulder, and he's only using one hand! And it's made of granite because reasons so it weighs at least 5 tons. Multiply that by the amount of pressure that gravity is forcing down on him, and it's obvious that he's capable of punching through planets because power scaling and rage boost X39 brought about by exposure to excessive dynamite.

Its still building level feat:/

And lol what does a gag cartoon prove?

[Kamiccolo9]

And lol what does a gag cartoon prove?

Exactly

[KentalSSJ6]

And lol what does a gag cartoon prove?

Exactly

[Mr.Judge]

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